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SQ's A380s Set Sail For LAX Starting Tomorrow  
User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12126 times:

Singapore starts A380 operations to LAX tomorrow.

Which runway does SQ normally use??? (i might be there tomorrow)

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User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 858 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12041 times:

So this is goodbye to SQ´s A345?

Is there a one-stop or non-stop for A388?

//Mike  



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User currently onlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8645 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11874 times:

Quoting solnabo (Reply 1):
So this is goodbye to SQ´s A345?

I don't think so. IIRC, the A380 will operate SIN-NRT-LAX.


User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 858 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11449 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 2):
I don't think so. IIRC, the A380 will operate SIN-NRT-LAX.

Thnx for clearing that up   

//Mike



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11434 times:
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An A380 can't make it from SIN to LAX non stop? Which airplane can actually make the route?


avi8
User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 858 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11362 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 4):
Which airplane can actually make the route?

A340-500 & B772LR (SQ´s A345 ultra long route is SIN-EWR 15,345 km / 8285 nm)

[Edited 2011-06-30 07:47:46]


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8760 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11328 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 4):
An A380 can't make it from SIN to LAX non stop?

Using a similar "range factor" as say, a 744 going LAX-SYD, LAX-SIN should be doable vis a vis A380 specs. But there are reports the 744 does not do LAX-SYD very easily.

If the A345 wasn't full on SIN-LAX, there would be concerns about filling the bigger aircraft on the route. Adding a Japan stop ensures the aircraft will be filled on both legs.


User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11023 times:

anybody know which side (landing) Singapore normally uses???

User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1367 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10960 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 7):

anybody know which side (landing) Singapore normally uses???

It's been my observation that SQ aircraft normally land on the northern most runway closest to IN-N-OUT Burger at LAX.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9171 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 8):
It's been my observation that SQ aircraft normally land on the northern most runway closest to IN-N-OUT Burger at LAX.

I think I once saw a 345 land on the left but, generally, SQ lands on the right, other than freighters. Sometimes they taxi over to the "left" side of TBIT gates, but that's a different matter.


User currently offlineflyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8624 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 6):
Using a similar "range factor" as say, a 744 going LAX-SYD, LAX-SIN should be doable vis a vis A380 specs. But there are reports the 744 does not do LAX-SYD very easily.

The specs may state so, but that comes with a payload penalty because it would be carrying more fuel to reach that range. Also, don't forget winds (especially jetstreams over the oceans) which can alter groundspeed by up to 130+ knots  



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User currently offlineCysafan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7539 times:

Nice.
So better get your Cameras ready and if you are lucky you may spot 9V-SKA..  


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7466 times:
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Quoting Flighty (Reply 6):

Using a similar "range factor" as say, a 744 going LAX-SYD, LAX-SIN should be doable vis a vis A380 specs. But there are reports the 744 does not do LAX-SYD very easily.

If the A345 wasn't full on SIN-LAX, there would be concerns about filling the bigger aircraft on the route. Adding a Japan stop ensures the aircraft will be filled on both legs.

QF utilizes 744ERs where as, the rest use the standard 744s.

SQ using a larger a/c on the SIN-NRT-LAX-NRT-SIN doesn't have to do with making sure they fill their a/c on both legs. SQ has done very well out of LAX for as long as I can remember. There are some people who will only fly on SQ to NRT.

Their nonstop flight SIN-LAX-SIN using the A345 is a very special ULH flight which caters to certain travelers who appreciate the nonstop versus having to stop and or transfer via NRT, ICN, HKG, TPE and etc.. Their A345s are specially configured with 100 J class. I feel SQ could improve their profits in this market if it was flown with a more fuel efficient 77L.


User currently offlineaviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1489 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6372 times:

For those awaiting SQ12 operating the A380, you should be expecting 9V-SKK. She has taken off from Singapore about 2.5 hours ago.

Looking forward to some great images coming from LAX.

KC Sim


User currently offlineanrec80 From Canada, joined Jan 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5496 times:

When iIs SQ also going to switch their SIN-FRA-JFK run to A380 as well?

User currently offlineflythere From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5279 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 12):

Their nonstop flight SIN-LAX-SIN using the A345 is a very special ULH flight which caters to certain travelers who appreciate the nonstop versus having to stop and or transfer via NRT, ICN, HKG, TPE and etc..

Now SQ has to cut its daily frequency into 5 weekly as it cant even fill the 100J plane well. I heard the loading was only around 50-70% range. Of course some day can reach 80% but that's once in a while. SQ's pricing is too high and frequency not enough, that's it.

Quoting anrec80 (Reply 14):
When iIs SQ also going to switch their SIN-FRA-JFK run to A380 as well?

It was reported that they would be replaced by 77W service.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4966 times:
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Quoting Flighty (Reply 6):
If the A345 wasn't full on SIN-LAX, there would be concerns about filling the bigger aircraft on the route. Adding a Japan stop ensures the aircraft will be filled on both legs.

Exactly. SQ found that there was only Business Class demand on the non-stop, so an A380-800 would fly with the upper deck full and the lower deck empty.

Not the most efficient use of the plane.  
Quoting laca773 (Reply 12):
I feel SQ could improve their profits in this market if it was flown with a more fuel efficient 77L.

The A340-500s are paid for. The capital costs of adding new 777-200LRs outweigh the savings. I expect SQ will replace the A345s with an all-Business Class 787-9 or A350-900.


User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

ha yeah, there it is

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA12

hope to see SQ fly their A380s to SFO soon


User currently onlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1807 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 12):
I feel SQ could improve their profits in this market if it was flown with a more fuel efficient 77L.

How much more fuel efficient is the 77L actually?

I have to admit the A345 is one of the most beautiful and well-proportioned aircraft out there. Long may it reign at SIA  .



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User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3666 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 12):
I feel SQ could improve their profits in this market if it was flown with a more fuel efficient 77L.

Keep in mind that the 77L has a good bit shorter cabin, about 5,5m. My best guess is that it would lose four rows, but gain two middle seats in the back due to wider fuselage. If we are comparing a 86-seat 77L to a 100-seat A345, things look a lot better for the A345.



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User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3574 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 6):
But there are reports the 744 does not do LAX-SYD very easily.

eh? could have fooled me!

Quoting laca773 (Reply 12):
QF utilizes 744ERs where as, the rest use the standard 744s.

744ERs are (were originally purchased) for LAX-MEL (6883nm), not really required for LAX-SYD (6507nm).

 Regardless the 380 makes both 744 routes from LAX to S.E. Australia obsolete.

SIN-LAX (7621nm) is a good 800nm longer than MEL-LAX and within 500-700nm of the design range (8300nm) which won't take into account the westbound winds/other range mitigating factors and would mean SQ could probably only fill it with 350 odd (guessing) passengers as opposed to their full config of ~470 seats.

380 doing SIN-SFO (7340nm) is far more likely than SIN-LAX non-stop, hence the stop in NRT.

[Edited 2011-07-01 04:57:27]

User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3270 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
he A340-500s are paid for. The capital costs of adding new 777-200LRs outweigh the savings. I expect SQ will replace the A345s with an all-Business Class 787-9 or A350-900.

Hey Stich. Thanks for pointing that out. That makes sense especially since they are paid for. I bet they go with the 787-9 when they begin receiving them.

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 19):
Keep in mind that the 77L has a good bit shorter cabin, about 5,5m. My best guess is that it would lose four rows, but gain two middle seats in the back due to wider fuselage. If we are comparing a 86-seat 77L to a 100-seat A345, things look a lot better for the A345.

That's very true. That's one of the reasons I was thinking the 77L would be a better fit for this specialized market. I believe they rarely go out with 100 on board, so a smaller cabin, would be better for the service they provide as well as economics.
I have some friends who are MDs and travel on TG's LAX-BKK-LAX flight often. I wonder how they are doing now as they were really struggling for quite sometime and there was even talk of them dropping it?


I wish SQ the best with their new A388 SIN-NRT-LAX-NRT-SIN flight. Those who will only fly on SQ are in for a real treat after flying on the 744s for so long. Is the inaugural flight coming into and leaving LAX full?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3052 times:
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Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 18):
How much more fuel efficient is the 77L actually?

Depends on who you listen to and the mission, but the "critics consensus" is around 10%.


User currently onlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4935 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2441 times:
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Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 18):
I have to admit the A345 is one of the most beautiful and well-proportioned aircraft out there. Long may it reign at SIA .

Hear, hear!!    She will be imho the most beautiful bird out there for quite a while to come.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 21):
I wish SQ the best with their new A388 SIN-NRT-LAX-NRT-SIN flight. Those who will only fly on SQ are in for a real treat after flying on the 744s for so long.

As do I. And LAX sees another A380 as a regular guest. May I conclude there is enough demand which justifies more and more airlines to deploy their A380's on routes to and from US cities?  .

Just talked to a colleague today who was on one the first LH A380 flights to SFO. She was very impressed by the experience on her first A380 flight. I guess she is not the only one.  .


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8494 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2228 times:
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any photos of teh a380 at LAX ?

25 Post contains links je89_w : There were some photos in another thread, and there's also a great video on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMoxI2sjJQM 9V-SKK should be on it
26 netjetsintl : Looooooong overdue, I thought LAX would be the first long-haul destination for SQ's A380s... but better late than never.
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