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Nigerian Flies VX From JFK To LAX On Expired BP.  
User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1950 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11236 times:

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/30...-boards-us-plane-without-valid-id/

And he was only caught when he tried it on a return LAX-JFK on DL.

Let the speculation begin...

[Edited 2011-06-30 07:56:14]

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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10943 times:

Interesting... I believe ID's are checked at the counter, unless checked in on-line, but are also checked prior to entering screening, so most likely, a TSA agent or whoever was checking the ID's prior to screening completely messed this up. It was interesting the VX f/a caught it in flight, but didn't report the incident apparently since he tried to board another flight later on.


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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3620 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10857 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 1):
checked prior to entering screening, so most likely, a TSA agent or whoever was checking the ID's prior to screening completely messed this up. It

They also usually check IDs at the gate with your boarding pass.



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User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10813 times:
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Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 2):

They also usually check IDs at the gate with your boarding pass.



nope, the only time i have my id checked is at the TSA check point.

VX has self serve machines- therefore no need to talk to a check-in agent unless checking a bag. the gate agent as far as i can tell, scans a boarding pass. then if the computer dings asks the person if they are okay sitting in a exit row.



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User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10775 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 2):
They also usually check IDs at the gate with your boarding pass.

Not in the US.



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6363 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10752 times:

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3):
then if the computer dings asks the person if they are okay sitting in a exit row.

Are you saying that there isn't a separate ding or something that would tell the gate agent that the boarding pass scanned was for the wrong flight (or the wrong date or the wrong anything)?


User currently offlineGrid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10701 times:

I am usually allowed to enter any secured area based solely on my own recognizance. Perhaps that was the case here?


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6099 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10682 times:

Quoting Grid (Reply 6):
I am usually allowed to enter any secured area based solely on my own recognizance.

In the US you need a valid boarding pass, or gate pass, in order to clear security.



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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10655 times:

I know back when I worked for an airline, our scanners at the gate gave you a certain beep if the boarding pass was for the wrong flight or wrong date.... of course, you have to be listening for the beep, sometimes you just tune those sounds out occassionally, I know I did once in a while


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User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10612 times:
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Quoting sw733 (Reply 5):
Are you saying that there isn't a separate ding or something that would tell the gate agent that the boarding pass scanned was for the wrong flight (or the wrong date or the wrong anything)?

i would assume there would be, but i've never heard it. i just flew an VX, not a ate agent or any one i can only report what i saw.



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User currently offlineindcwby From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10571 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 1):
Interesting... I believe ID's are checked at the counter, unless checked in on-line, but are also checked prior to entering screening, so most likely, a TSA agent or whoever was checking the ID's prior to screening completely messed this up. It was interesting the VX f/a caught it in flight, but didn't report the incident apparently since he tried to board another flight later on.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/06/30...ight.stowaway/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

CNN reports that the F/A informed the captain.

A flight attendant noticed that Noibi was "occupying a seat that the other attendants said was supposed to be empty," the affidavit says. When the attendant, Satoshi Saito, asked to see his boarding pass, Noibi responded that it was in his bag in an overhead bin, the affidavit said.

After the bag was retrieved, Noibi reached in and handed Saito a boarding pass, which had a different date. Noibi said he had missed the flight the day before.

Saito then brought the boarding pass to the captain, who instructed Saito to request further ID.

"At that point, Noibi did not want to talk with Saito and was hesitant. Eventually Noibi produced a University of Michigan identification card with his photo and his full name. Saito took the identification card to the captain, who observed that the names did not match and the date was wrong on the boarding pass. The flight crew noted that Noibi was not on the flight manifest."


User currently offline9LFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9827 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 1):
Interesting... I believe ID's are checked at the counter, unless checked in on-line, but are also checked prior to entering screening, so most likely, a TSA agent or whoever was checking the ID's prior to screening completely messed this up.

But we're still patting down flight attendants, searching crew bags and forcing pilots to go through body scanners..... Sigh....



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User currently offlinerunner13 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9686 times:

When I was a ticket agent you did not need an ID to check in. We just forced the SSSS on the boarding pass and wrote no ID on the boarding pass. This got through TSA also which shows how much they actually look at boarding passes. This guy either hacked someones account, and printed off a boarding pass, or just went searcing for record locators at the kiosk and found one. Still though the boarding pass machine should've caught it. The pax count would've been off also before the door was closed. This was a failure on a few levels.

User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1083 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9580 times:

Quoting runner13 (Reply 12):
This guy either hacked someones account, and printed off a boarding pass, or just went searcing for record locators at the kiosk and found one.

No, it sounds like he pickpocketed someone's boarding pass somewhere before security:

Quote:

The boarding pass belonged to a man who said his boarding pass went missing from his pocket on his way to the airport June 23.

Although presumably whoever the boarding pass belonged to had a new one printed at the airport, so I'm surprised the scanner didn't flag it as a duplcate when he tried to use it.


User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 812 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9282 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 1):
It was interesting the VX f/a caught it in flight, but didn't report the incident apparently since he tried to board another flight later on.

Read the article carefully. It says: "
Los Angeles FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller says that when the Virgin America flight crew determined the man had an invalid boarding pass, law enforcement was notified and was asked to meet the plane on arrival early Saturday at Los Angeles International Airport.

There was no immediate threat to the aircraft so the flight wasn't diverted, Eimiller said.

FBI Agent Kevin R. Hogg met the flight and detained and questioned Noibi. "He wasn't arrested at that time. Beyond traveling without a ticket there was no immediate threat," Eimiller said.

"He wasn't actually charged and arrested until [Wednesday]. A U.S. District Court hearing Wednesday was postponed until Friday at 10:30 a.m. PDT. He's still in custody pending that hearing," Eimiller added."

The VX F/A did his/her job and LEO was notified but the person was arrested only a couple of days later.


User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9279 times:

Quoting indcwby (Reply 10):
CNN reports that the F/A informed the captain.

I'm curious how they just let him go then... I would have had LEO's waiting upon arrival since they already showed he was not on manifest.



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User currently offlineGrid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9228 times:

Quoting 9LFlyGuy (Reply 11):
But we're still patting down flight attendants, searching crew bags and forcing pilots to go through body scanners..... Sigh....

Other than the pilots, everyone should pass through the same security cordon and go through the same procedures. Military should have to take off boots, flight attendants through metal detectors etc.



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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 812 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9171 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 15):
I'm curious how they just let him go then... I would have had LEO's waiting upon arrival since they already showed he was not on manifest.

Read my post above your post.... Fox news states that LEO was notified and asked to meet at arrival.
The guy was merely questioned and detained but not arrested until after a couple of days.


User currently offlineGrid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9135 times:

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 17):
Quoting nkops (Reply 15):
I'm curious how they just let him go then... I would have had LEO's waiting upon arrival since they already showed he was not on manifest.

Read my post above your post.... Fox news states that LEO was notified and asked to meet at arrival.
The guy was merely questioned and detained but not arrested until after a couple of days.

Did they want to follow him around and see what he was up to? Seems weird they did not otherwise hold him and charge him, especially if he was an alien.



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2591 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9002 times:

No way this guy should ever have gotten past the security checkpoint. You stand in line, hand the friendly TSA agent your photo ID and your boarding pass...they check one against the other, look at you to see that your the person in the photo, stamp the pass with their official okee-dokee and send you on your way. Things went very wrong in this case and unless this guy had some pretty convincing fake IDs with him (highly unlikely given the method by which he came to possess this boarding pass) someone failed miserably at their job.

User currently offlinefutureorthopod From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8985 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 2):
They also usually check IDs at the gate with your boarding pass.

Like others have said..."not anymore"....however, they did at one time right after 9/11 (back when I was still in college...geesh that was long ago


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8452 times:

This person should have his visa revoked, be in jail with heavy bail and face arraignment and a possible trial by the Federal courts, upon a conviction if obtained, see jail time and after the jail time or trial be booted out of the USA as he has violated his visa.

This person somehow had a number of stolen or illegally obtained boarding passes and that raises several serious problems. Could have been someone who was trying to find loopholes in our airport and flight security, researching for a terror attack? Maybe this is someone who is involved in criminal activities and wants to cover their tracks. Likely these passes are being sold by criminals or hackers, as a scam, selling them to make a fast and illegal buck to those who wants to travel for cheap.

VX should have to pay a substantial fine, perhaps on the order of $250K + as well as be required to review all their procedures as to issuance of boarding passes and to requirements to check-match ID's to boarding passes at check in.

The TSA Agents at the departure airport should also get some discipline and retraining to prevent a reoccurance of such an embarrassing and illegal act.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21799 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8326 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 21):
VX should have to pay a substantial fine, perhaps on the order of $250K + as well as be required to review all their procedures as to issuance of boarding passes and to requirements to check-match ID's to boarding passes at check in.

The TSA Agents at the departure airport should also get some discipline and retraining to prevent a reoccurance of such an embarrassing and illegal act.

Sounds like you're putting the blame for this more on VX than the TSA, which is wrong. VX only checks IDs if you're checking a bag, and that's consistent throughout the industry. Their procedures are fine - whoever was manning the boarding gate and supervising the boarding process screwed up, but I don't think that justifies a massive fine.

Whereas the TSA was supposed to check his ID before going through security, and they were also supposed to check his boarding pass on two occasions. And they whiffed on all of it. The TSA deserves the harsher penalty - unfortunately they can't be fined, but some heads should roll over this one.

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User currently offlineYYZAMS From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8274 times:

Who is VX? It comes up as Aces Colombia when I scroll over but I am not sure they have these city pairs?

User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8199 times:

Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 23):
Who is VX? It comes up as Aces Colombia when I scroll over but I am not sure they have these city pairs?

Virgin America. Not sure why the function where you cursor over the airline code is messing up...



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25 DTWLAX : Easy dude... while I understand the concern, how has he violated his visa? Source please or is this just a wild assumption? In the world of web check
26 navion1217 : I bet I could make a boarding pass that would get past TSA on my computer. They don't scan, just match to ID and check dates right? Not the airline th
27 heathrow : In Canada, ID is checked at check-in and boarding. Boarding passes are checked at security screening. Could this not maybe work?
28 DTWLAX : You are missing the point. He got through with an expired boarding pass. The question is how did TSA not check the date on the boarding pass? It was
29 AAIL86 : I'm going to go out on a limb and wager you've never worked in an airport terminal. And a 250K fine for a boarding discrepancy? You want to put every
30 Alibo5NGN : Thanks guys for focusing on his name: Olajide Oluwaseun Noibi. And not as a "Nigerian" as headlined by Fox News. There are 150 million Nigerians. A fe
31 kevin752 : The airline I work for gives us an error message if something like this was to happen. We are trained to keep an eye on the response of the gate read
32 anstar : Surely the last check should be the FA on boarding the aircraft? Most will check the flight number and date - why didnt the FA do this?
33 varig md-11 : This story points out the need to generalize steps already used at some airports: - scan boarding pass a first time while going thru security (TSA in
34 flyingcat : Maybe this is more common overseas but in the US the only time an FA looks at a boarding pass is when someone needs their seat pointed out. Otherwise
35 anstar : 'Wow - I didnt realise. Here in Europe they will look at your bp to make sure you are on the right flight and as a last security check.
36 jeppelainen : Umm haven't really seen this except on FR flights or if premium classes are available /J
37 rwSEA : I guess I'm lost as to why this is some sort of security issue. Regardless of how he got on the plane, he would still have been subjected to normal se
38 anstar : Ive seen it on Easyjet, British Airways, Virgin Atlantic, KLM and Transavia all in the couple of months.
39 Mir : Whoever was checking the boarding passes at the gate missed it. If they did so, it was very recently - I flew in late May and they were checking boar
40 varig md-11 : I agree It was done on AF too but on June 30th I flew AF and the purser told me "from today we don't check boarding passes anymore"...I was a bit puz
41 ARFFdude : I agree. Provided he was properly screened, which there doesn't seem to be any question of, I don't see the security issue. Sure Virgin has the right
42 Grid : Yeah. If he did do something wrong but it was not a dangerous act and he is not citizen of the U.S., just deport him rather then spending thousands o
43 copter808 : I don't EVER recall a FA checking the date on my boarding pass--just the seat assignment.
44 copter808 : He was likely released because VX probably didn't want to sign a criminal complaint at the time. It's unclear exactly what other crimes may have been
45 KaiGywer : The only time I've ever had a FA check my boarding pass, either in the US or Europe, has been when ramp boarding without using a jetbridge here in th
46 hohd : If the charge was for theft of services only, then he can be deported only if he is on visitor's visa or a non immigrant. If he has a green card, he c
47 antidote : I'm struggling to understand why this is a story. The security screening was presumably successful so all he was guilty of doing is using a stolen/fou
48 mandingoboy : Apparently this young man is quite disturbed according to reports in the Nigerian press. He was actually born on Ames, Iowa which makes him a bona fid
49 hohd : The title should be changed to "American Flies VX From JFK To LAX On Expired BP".
50 PanHAM : Amazing, the US wants to tell the rest of the world how to secure their airports (and seaports) and can't get their act together at home. TSA should N
51 varig md-11 : Indeed, what about headcounts? Is it only in Europe that we counts heads and compare the number with the manifest? Somebody with a fake BP is NOT on
52 Grid : For several reasons. 1. The internet has a lot of space and this story takes minimal time to report - why not? 2. Scams are quite frequent but it's n
53 DTWLAX : The man was a US citizen. What do you suggest now? The frisking part of the security screening may have been successful, but he should not have been
54 ltbewr : That he is an American citizen by birth means he cannot be subject to being deported. Far too often the media doesn't offer enough of the correct info
55 Post contains images gr8circle : They very much do check photo ID in Canada and most other countries....In the past year I've travelled to India, via Europe and just recently, within
56 Grid : A fine.
57 PanHAM : Obviously not, otherwise this thread would not exist. How are the "valid" boarding passes checked in the US? By a TSA agent looking at the BP? Here -
58 mayor : Maybe it's just because I'm a non-rev, but my ID is checked against my "seat request card" at the counter and also by the TSA, at least when I've tra
59 Post contains images Argonaut : Depends on the country. I assume you are talking about the USA? If so, dream on. Even legal residents have many fewer rights than you might suppose. O
60 Cubsrule : It's pretty obvious to me that a good number of screeners do not read boarding passes. I do a lot of 4 leg day trips (BNA-CLT-CAE-DCA-BNA, BNA-ATL-CR
61 Mir : Your ID will be looked at by TSA regardless, but if you had a seat assignment (as opposed to a seat request card) there would be no need for the coun
62 Post contains images mayor : If you travelled with MY wife, you'd always be checking a bag! I wonder what response the wrong BP gives the gate agent when they scan it during boar
63 KaiGywer : Triple beep vs double beep
64 anrec80 : Yeah it's an easier way to demonstrate how tough we are, than actually spending efforts on fixing holes in the system like this one, that are not tha
65 signol : If a pilot wants to bring a plane down, all he has to do is push the stick forward and fly it straight downwards. If anyone else wanted to do the sam
66 AirNZ : Why should pilots be exempted?
67 Cubsrule : Why not? If we are going to have screeners read boarding passes - and we do - why should we not expect accurate reading and action when an incorrect
68 Post contains images toobz : Yeah...I trust the screening was done properly just like his BP was checked I think that TSA agent should be terminated whoever checked his BP. How h
69 AirNZ : Disagree completely and, in reality, your explanation doesn't hold up for the following reasons: Firstly, the very fact of your first sentence is all
70 signol : I respectfully disagree - what is the point of security, when the means to terrorise the aircraft is the persom himself - he doesn't need anything el
71 goldorak : I confirm. I flew AF twice this week-end and they are not checking BP anymore at the entrance of the plane. I think counting is also abandoned. This
72 AirNZ : You're quite entitled to disagree as equally as I did with you, and not a problem with that. However, I feel your thinking to be flawed in that a) yo
73 mayor : No matter the problem, by now, most airlines should know that ALL the media coverage is shrill.
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