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UA At LHR. The Future  
User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11999 times:

I am a frequent flyer of UA out of LHR.

I try to keep abreast of whats going on but invaribly I miss something newswise about UA(CO).

As such I am particularly interested in future plans involving UA at LHR. To name but a few these are.

When will CO move over to T1 so they are all under one roof?
Are there plans to remove the 757s and replace them with widebodies and if so does anybody have any idea what they may be and when?
When will CO start installing Y+ on the international fleet.
Will they add more frequencies or will they just maintain the slots they have now and add capacity with the widebodies.
Importantly for me when is a decision to be made as to what exact routes will see F maintained.

Any other info anyone has would be greatly appreciated.

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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11958 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Thread starter):
When will CO move over to T1 so they are all under one roof?

Pretty soon, it will all be United, should be all under T1 very soon.

Quoting UAL777UK (Thread starter):
Are there plans to remove the 757s and replace them with widebodies and if so does anybody have any idea what they may be and when?

They probably won't be replacing the 75's with widebodies. Remember, UA does not have a huge connection operation at LHR. Those huge connection airports on your side of the pond are at FRA and MUC. Your best bet for seeing an up gauge would be in the Northern Summer.

Quoting UAL777UK (Thread starter):
Will they add more frequencies or will they just maintain the slots they have now and add capacity with the widebodies.

It's very hard to add frequencies in and out of LHR as it is very slot restricted. So I doubt you'll see additional flights. They pretty much have it all covered as far as slots are concerned from all of their US bases to LHR.

All in all, I do not see LHR getting much increase in service than what they already have. There's a TON of capacity as it is, plenty of room for growth without adding additional flights as well.

UAL


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11913 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1):
Quoting UAL777UK (Thread starter):
Are there plans to remove the 757s and replace them with widebodies and if so does anybody have any idea what they may be and when?

They probably won't be replacing the 75's with widebodies. Remember, UA does not have a huge connection operation at LHR. Those huge connection airports on your side of the pond are at FRA and MUC. Your best bet for seeing an up gauge would be in the Northern Summer.

I could see the 757 routes into LHR being replaced by 788s in due course.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11912 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1):
They probably won't be replacing the 75's with widebodies

Thats noted but with the amount of O & D alone between NYC and LON I would have thought they could easily have a leat two wide bodies on the route.


User currently onlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11905 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
I could see the 757 routes into LHR being replaced by 788s in due course.

My guess is that you'll see some of the domestic PMUA 763's on EWR routes shortly to provide first class on the EWR>LHR route. It should help UA's corporate sales team in NYC who turn to BA/AA for that service now.


User currently onlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2863 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11692 times:
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My opinion is that UA MUST have F on LHR routes! They are competing with BA, AA and Virgin. The new UA F and C can compete well. I didn't know 757's were sent to LHR. From EWR? was that due to PMCO lack of widebodies?


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8280 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11658 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
I could see the 757 routes into LHR being replaced by 788s in due course

Continental sends the 757 to LHR from Newark because its has the new Business First seats. CO has 5 flight daily from EWR to LHR so some are 757 operated. Another reason is the need to cover certain flights with 767 & 777 with greater range a 757 can't fly.


User currently offlinebananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1574 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11640 times:

Hopefully DEN will return once the 787's are available. That flight was useful as it avoided the hell hole that is LAX, had plenty of useful connections and was timed nicely, not to mention that customs and immigration was a dream.

Mark



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11445 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 3):
Thats noted but with the amount of O & D alone between NYC and LON I would have thought they could easily have a leat two wide bodies on the route.

It's a super competitive market, and I doubt it is a huge money maker for everybody. Hence why United exited the route some years ago in the first place.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
CO has 5 flight daily from EWR to LHR

4 of which are operated by 757s.

The only way I could see the 757s to LHR going is if United makes a strategic decision to have all F service to London.


User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11154 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 8):

4 of which are operated by 757s.

PMCO has said they would prefer frequency from EWR. Hence the move of the CLE flight to EWR (really the slot).
I have taken the EWR-LHR flight numerous times and most of them on the 757. It is a great plane for the day flight (9am departure from EWR) and the late 5pm departure from LHR. The BusinessFirst seat is too short (about 2 inches shorter than the same seat on the PMCO 777) for a tall guy like me to sleep in. I would love to have the opportunity to upgrade from Business to First on the PMUA plane on this route.


PMUA made a decision to send only newly configured planes to LHR from ORD. That is why ORD-LHR is only 767, it was 3x 777 and even before that 777 & 747. I remember taking that 747 flight all the time. It was so fun to be upstairs window exit.

Both of the approaches have merit.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1):
It's very hard to add frequencies in and out of LHR as it is very slot restricted.

PMUA had at least 2 sets of slots leased out based on the some information from previously posted here. I believe they leased a couple slots to AC.
I would expect that slots would not be hard to get from LH (and other JV partners) if UA (and the rest of JV group) thought they could make money on them. Just like AFKLM gave slots to DL. If they can make more money that way than the BMI flights they have they would do it.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10739 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1):
Pretty soon, it will all be United, should be all under T1 very soon.

Has this been announced? If so, someone's going to need to move out to make room for the Continental operation as until T2 opens, the airport is screwed for space at peak times. Actually they're always tight for space but there's no way T1 can take five more heavies on the ground at the same time in the morning and afternoon peaks. Which STAR partner gets moved I wonder? BA split their operation for years, it might be simpler to keep the ex CO routes at T4 until 2013.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24817 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8389 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
My opinion is that UA MUST have F on LHR routes! They are competing with BA, AA and Virgin.

Virgin doesn't have F, only J and premium Y.


User currently onlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2863 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7844 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):

Yes, true about Virgin- no proper F. But the overall Virgin Experience is amazing, at least it was years ago when I went through a "Virgin" phase and flew to London in "J" on a new A340. The novelties were cute for a while. Then I grew up and opt'd (no pun) for UA and my multiple chances to get into UA First was like a comfortable, familiar version of luxury and no girls in lab coats doing my nails!



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User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8541 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7767 times:
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Quoting skipness1E (Reply 10):
Actually they're always tight for space but there's no way T1 can take five more heavies on the ground at the same time in the morning and afternoon peaks. Which STAR partner gets moved I wonder?

Aren't most of COs flights into LHR on the 757, I thought it was only the IAH-LHR flights which have heavies ? In any case , why move a star partner out of T1 at all, there are some non aligned carriers at T1 ( EI and LY spring to mind as intruders in the *A terminal, I would probably leave UN where they are since they operate jointly with BD and have been rumoured as an eventual *A carrier) ) , since T4 is for Skyteam and non-aligned carriers they simply need to swap EI/LY with UA(CO) ( and AI if they actually make it into *A ) I am not sure how many flights a day EI and LY combined have into T1 but I am sure it is more than enough to allow PMCO flights to move across.



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User currently offlinestaralliance85 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7239 times:

With LHR not being a Star Alliance hub city. UAL is probably not going to replace the 757's with the 787's. They are probably going to cut down the 757's and use the wide bodies such as 747, 777, 767 to still have the 4 class configuration


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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6839 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 3):
Thats noted but with the amount of O & D alone between NYC and LON I would have thought they could easily have a leat two wide bodies on the route.

UA before the merger did not focus on NYC and only CO is a big presence in the New York area as UA has its main hub for TATL at IAD.

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 9):

PMUA made a decision to send only newly configured planes to LHR from ORD. That is why ORD-LHR is only 767,

I believe that UA is now using a 744 on the ORD - LHR route along with two 763 flights.



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6768 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Thread starter):
When will CO start installing Y+ on the international fleet.

Neither Continental nor United have a Premium Economy cabin, seat or fare.

The only airlines which fly from LHR to the USA and have a Premium Economy product are Air New Zealand, British Airways and Virgin Atlantic.

All United have is bog-standard economy with a few rows of extra legroom. They may call it Economy Plus, but it certainly isn't a Premium Economy product  


User currently offlinebananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1574 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6184 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 16):
All United have is bog-standard economy with a few rows of extra legroom. They may call it Economy Plus, but it certainly isn't a Premium Economy product

Of course, but "Y" = Economy, "+" = Plus, therefore, Y+ = Economy Plus.  
Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 9):
PMUA made a decision to send only newly configured planes to LHR from ORD. That is why ORD-LHR is only 767, it was 3x 777 and even before that 777 & 747. I remember taking that 747 flight all the time. It was so fun to be upstairs window exit.

ORD-LHR was all 767 long before any cabin upgrades were announced as far as I recall. UA may have planned it that way in advance, or it may have been UA reducing capacity on the route. Still, once the upgrades were announced, it made good sense to be able to state that the route was all new C/F product.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 15):
I believe that UA is now using a 744 on the ORD - LHR route along with two 763 flights.

I had a quick look yesterday for flights and saw the 744 on SFO-LHR during the winter. Didn't look to see if the ORD flight is still 747 as well at that time, or if it was a one off (which I doubt).

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 13):
.... why move a star partner out of T1 at all, there are some non aligned carriers at T1 ( EI and LY spring to mind as intruders in the *A terminal

Around a quarter of Star Alliance movements at LHR are from T3 - perhaps some other *A airline may be moved over to T3 to accommodate the new larger UA at T1.


Mark



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2960 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5964 times:
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Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 13):

Aren't most of COs flights into LHR on the 757, I thought it was only the IAH-LHR flights which have heavies ? In any case , why move a star partner out of T1 at all, there are some non aligned carriers at T1 ( EI and LY spring to mind as intruders in the *A terminal, I would probably leave UN where they are since they operate jointly with BD and have been rumoured as an eventual *A carrier) ) , since T4 is for Skyteam and non-aligned carriers they simply need to swap EI/LY with UA(CO) ( and AI if they actually make it into *A ) I am not sure how many flights a day EI and LY combined have into T1 but I am sure it is more than enough to allow PMCO flights to move across.


El Al will not be leaving T1 anytime soon because of the special security measures (within this Terminal)that they the BAA and Met have developed over the last thirty years.

Aer Lingus will be going nowhere either.

Only real candidates for decanting are Cyprus and Icelandair.

By the way even when T2A is completed it won't have enough gate/stands for all of *A and some of the BD operations may still be out of what remains of T1 and pier 4a (The old Irish/Shuttle stands) because thats not planned to be demolished until well into phase 2 of the Heathrow East Development.

As for the "Continental" operation
They have three 77Es each morning. One could take the Cyprus stand, 1 remote/swap (The Newark swaps with a Houston) and mid morning Houston arrival take the Iceland stand. The 75Ws used on the Newark and Cleveland could be accommodated with a combination of remotes and most stands throughout the day

As others have said much of the *A operation (Long Haul O & D markets plus SAS group !) will remain in T3 .
I say that because all those Asian *A carriers have much better connection opportunities via FRA/MUC Zurich and even Brussels than at LHR period.


User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 746 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5964 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 13):
I am not sure how many flights a day EI and LY combined have into T1 but I am sure it is more than enough to allow PMCO flights to move across

EI alone have some 22 flights a day to LHR from DUB, ORK, SNN and BFS. Some of these flights are actually a UA codeshare and in most cases are cheaper to choose than a BD option from DUB onto the UA network. EI have been in T1 for years now, with all of the Ireland flights there for security reasons in the past. They have just built a new lounge in T1 also, so dont see EI going anywhere soon, and if anything, I can see EI joining Star anyway



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5893 times:

It's really only three more movements that need to be squeezed in at any one time so I suspect that Swiss or SN Brussels will end up bussing from the 250s!

User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 770 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5880 times:

I wouldn't bet on seeing

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 18):
Around a quarter of Star Alliance movements at LHR are from T3 - perhaps some other *A airline may be moved over to T3 to accommodate the new larger UA at T1.

There is barely any spare capacity in T3 to do that.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2960 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5845 times:
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Quoting fcogafa (Reply 21):
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 18):
Around a quarter of Star Alliance movements at LHR are from T3 - perhaps some other *A airline may be moved over to T3 to accommodate the new larger UA at T1.

There is barely any spare capacity in T3 to do that.
Quoting fcogafa (Reply 21):
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 18):
Around a quarter of Star Alliance movements at LHR are from T3 - perhaps some other *A airline may be moved over to T3 to accommodate the new larger UA at T1.

There is barely any spare capacity in T3 to do that.

Not my quote.

That said the statement is true enough - *A carriers in T3- Air China, Singapore, Thai, SAS. Blue1, Ethiopian,Turkish,Egyptair, Air Canada, ANA- All Nippon ........


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 16):

I never said UA had a premium economy but they do have Economy Plus

Quoting bananaboy (Reply 17):
Around a quarter of Star Alliance movements at LHR are from T3 - perhaps some other *A airline may be moved over to T3 to accommodate the new larger UA at T1.

Could CO not move to T1 and use remote stands at least in the interim. Are there areas for parking planes close to the T2 construction. I confess I have no idea and it might not be practical.


User currently offlineAlgoz66 From UK - England, joined Oct 2010, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5693 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 23):

Could CO not move to T1 and use remote stands at least in the interim. Are there areas for parking planes close to the T2 construction. I confess I have no idea and it might not be practical.

Not enough stands, let alone gates. I don't foresee co-location until the move to new T2


25 kiwiandrew : Cyprus airways is hardly going to free up much space ( although they seem to be on the verge of bankruptcy anyway so maybe they will leave T1 of natu
26 UA772IAD : No it was not. ORD-LHR was operated by a mix of 777s and 767s prior to the IPTE upgrades. Once the 767MZ fleet (4-class aircraft) was configured, ORD
27 KFitz : hopefully the domestic 763s are converted to IPTE in 3 cabin configuration to use on PMCO routes which could obviously support F inventory v. poaching
28 bananaboy : I guess I recall wrong - I stand corrected. Cheers! Got me interested thinking about this - had a quick look on the web archive and for the dates in
29 fcogafa : Another indication of how tight space in LHR T1 is must be Aegean who have to operate the Larnaca out of T4 due to lack of space in T1!
30 shamrock604 : Find space for 22 EI departures at a terminal that can also accommodate the fact that pax from the Rep of Ireland do not use Passport Control, but do
31 UA772IAD : Sure thing! LHR-ORD was probably (originally) a 747 route. The 777s came into service in the mid 1990s (1994/95 onwards, and LHR was one of the first
32 AADC10 : UA is not as large as AA but it has the 2nd largest operation amongst USA carriers. Between premium markets like EWR and LHR they will almost certain
33 ORDBOSEWR : Incorrect, it had all plane types 767 (which was horrible for 1st compared to the 777), 777 and 747. Many of the people I traveled with avoided the 7
34 CODC10 : It's already confirmed (internally) that the 14 domestic 767-322/ERs will be converted to a two-class configuration with about 30 of PMCO's Diamond J
35 UAL777UK : So hopefully we will NOT see those in LHR then as IMHO all UA birds coming here should have F and that means replcing the 757's at some stage.
36 usairways85 : Yes I can see the Marketing importance of offering full F, however CO's BF product they offer on EWR-LHR isn't some worn out product from 5-10 years
37 CALPSAFltSkeds : Frequency is great and I know there is demand eastbound in the evening and westbound midday, but the solution may be to eventually consolidate 5 trip
38 UAL777UK : You are very correct and the BF is a good seat. But its a J seat and comes nowhere close to an F seat, thats offered on UA IPTE aircraft. there is no
39 ORDBOSEWR : I am not sure of this one. More and more corporate contracts want Business class not 1st. In my company (100K+ employees) only about 50 or so employe
40 Byrdluvs747 : Irregardless, the amount of J seats offered by AA/BA on that route presents UA with formidable competition.
41 TOMMY767 : I understand that CO wanted to keep frequency up on EWR-LHR but my guess is that the 757s will go away for the most part -- maybe 1x daily and the res
42 Post contains images UnitedTristar : I would love to see the daylight flight return with the 757 -m
43 Post contains images 2travel2know2 : Surely late night slots aren´t that easy to get but now that UA/CO is stronger in LHR, maybe it's time to offer a red-eyes departing LHR at 0130h arr
44 COEWR787 : Isn't there a night curfew at LHR?
45 ORDBOSEWR : Is this even allowed by LHR? I was under the impression LHR had some very strict rules on opening and closing. I have had my departure delayed becaus
46 Drerx7 : Hopefully IAH-LHR sees the 744.
47 VV701 : You probably would not see why unless you have actually used LY's LHR gate. The LHR LY gate was designed and built specifically to meet the airline's
48 ORDBOSEWR : Agreed, that could be a factor. I can't speak to BA as at my company we are not allowed to fly them (even those based in the UK).
49 UA772IAD : 777 is still flying to CDG. Wasn't it announced that this would downgauge to a 767 this summer? Perhaps they've changed their minds? After all, the C
50 Post contains images UAL777UK : Gets my vote. Not just J seats, F seats as well, hence my arguement to get F on the EWR-LHR route sooner rather than later, for that matter every LHR
51 Speedbird2155 : During regular operations this is strictly speaking correct. There is very limited scope to allow departures after 2300hrs calculated on an annual ba
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