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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27  
User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5585 posts, RR: 34
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 30044 times:

Hi all. I started a new Swiss Aviation Thread. The recent one seems to be disappeared. I even did not find it with the "search" tool. I only found # 25 which DALCE began in Oct 2010, but this is not the newest? Can anyone help? If I made a mistake, this thread can be deleted. Which number should this one have?

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User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 758 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 29860 times:

I had the same problem. I cannot comment on the Swiss Aviation Forum #26.

Anyway, in keeping things Swiss here, Edelweiss's new ZRH-MCO service starts today!

User currently offlinedalce From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1846 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 29774 times:

I love the way Edelweiss is doing their job nowadays.
They give us some nice new markets to explore cargo-wise too  
Also their livery makes a very nice appearance wherever they 'pop up'

flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,77W,319,320,321,333,AB6.
User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 3114 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 29700 times:

SkyWork is launching flights from Bern to Belgrade in November. The city is part of their major expansion plan. They will operate the route twice per week unsing their Dash-8. Retrun ticket is €118!

Actually the Serbian ministry of health has a deal with a hospital in Geneva to send patients who need heart surgeries there. Until now they were using Zurich but I kindly proposed them this line and they loved it. Not to mention that it's much cheaper and closer to Geneva!

User currently offlineka From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 674 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 29373 times:

Travelinside confirms that Oman Air starts MCT-ZRH 4/7 from Oct, 30 (a/c A332).
http://www.travelinside.ch/travelinside/de/index.php?we_objectID=19461 (in German).

Great news for ZRH!


Keep smiling - you might be on Radar!
User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2142 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 29210 times:

Quoting ka (Reply 4):

A likelihood LX might end it's tag on flights from DXB to MCT in the near future?

User currently offlinedalce From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1846 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 29114 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 5):

A likelihood LX might end it's tag on flights from DXB to MCT in the near future?

I hope not, LX presence in the Middle East has been reduced already after JED & RUH were cut.

flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,77W,319,320,321,333,AB6.
User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 28849 times:

Here's a Link to the

Swiss Aviation Thread #26
found on google.

It's archived and therefore no more replies can be made. I post it here for tracking reasons. (Suggestion @ Mods: Reopen the thread and merge it with this one? Otherwise: Rename this thread to "Swiss Aviation Thread #27")

[Edited 2011-07-05 11:22:48]

// You know you're an aviation enthusiast when you look at your neighbour's cars and think about fleet commonality.
User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5585 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 28798 times:

Quoting Semaex (Reply 7):
Here's a Link to the

Swiss Aviation Thread #26
found on google.

It's archived and therefore no more replies can be made. I post it here for tracking reasons. (Suggestion @ Mods: Reopen the thread and merge it with this one? Otherwise: Rename this thread to "Swiss Aviation Thread #27")

Thank you. I wonder why it is found on Google but not on Airliners.net.
I also ask the moderators to change this one to Swiss Aviation Thread 27.

User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1953 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 28783 times:

For a short time only, LX has reactived HB-IQC. But HB-IQH and HB-IQQ were no more in operation and destinated for Air Berlin as D-ABXA and D-ABXB.

So HB-IQA (the oldest ex. SR A330s) is the only A330-200 left in operation with LX.

User currently offlinePhilInBRN From Switzerland, joined Jun 2009, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 28711 times:

Vueling will start twice daily flights from ZRH to ORY on October 30, however it has ceased its plans to serve the ZRH-AMS route. I'm really wondering if they're serious about new flights to ZRH. Prices start at EUR 100 return ticket.

VY1904 ORY0710 – 0815ZRH 320 D
VY1906 ORY1710 – 1815ZRH 320 D

VY1905 ZRH0855 – 1005ORY 320 D
VY1907 ZRH1855 – 2005ORY 320 D

User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 28665 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 28708 times:

Are there any links to the progress on the new Pier at ZRH ? Curious to see how far on they have got .

User currently offlinePhilInBRN From Switzerland, joined Jun 2009, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 28688 times:

Quoting oa260 (Reply 11):

Are there any links to the progress on the new Pier at ZRH ? Curious to see how far on they have got .

The latest pictures can be found on the Zurich Airport Facebook page:



User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 28665 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 28678 times:

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 12):
The latest pictures can be found on the Zurich Airport Facebook page:

Many thanks looking good. Cant wait to use it when it opens. Must add it to my favs on FB.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 27369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 28572 times:

I noted the following incident dated July 4 in the Transport Canada daily incident summary, involving what I thought was an Edelweiss-operated seasonal service ZRH-YXY (Whitehorse, Yukon)-ANC-ZRH. Can anyone explain why they refer to Swiss as the operating carrier rather than Edelweiss? I'm wondering whether an LX A332 may have in fact been substituted for the usual Edelweiss aircraft? Otherwise, at least for operational purposes, I would have expected to see an Edelweiss flight number. Perhaps someone can tell what aircraft actually operated the flight. In either case, the crew had probably never been to YXY before.

Whitehorse Tower reported that SWR8944, an Airbus 330-200, operated by Swiss International Air Lines, bound for Anchorage, was taxiing for departure off runway 13R. The aircraft was instructed to taxi via runway 01 and to contact the tower. The aircraft failed to contact the tower and crossed the hold line for runway 13R. Both tower and ground attempted to contact the aircraft, but neither received a response until the aircraft had taxied fully across runway 13R to an area with no turnaround space. Runway 13R was closed at 1943z due to the location of SWR8944. The aircraft was pushed back and was ready for taxi again at 2006z. SWR8944 departed runway 13R at 2011z.

User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 28557 times:

Surprised that this has not yet been mentioned here. SriLankan is resuming ZRH eff 23DEC. Twice weekly 343, but will almost certainly be increased soon.

The opinions above are solely my own and do not express those of my employers or clients.
User currently offlinePhilInBRN From Switzerland, joined Jun 2009, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 28498 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 15):
Surprised that this has not yet been mentioned here. SriLankan is resuming ZRH eff 23DEC. Twice weekly 343, but will almost certainly be increased soon.

It was mentioned in the previous thread. I'm not sure if we will see increases as also Edelweiss serves Colombo and Male with two flights per week. But it's certainly good to get some more diversity to ZRH, first Hainan and now also Oman Air and Sri Lankan.

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5585 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 28385 times:

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 16):
But it's certainly good to get some more diversity to ZRH, first Hainan and now also Oman Air and Sri Lankan.

Oh yes. I am now waiting for a South American airline. TAM?

User currently offlinePhilInBRN From Switzerland, joined Jun 2009, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 28380 times:

Quoting ZRH" class="quote" target="_blank">ZRH (Reply 17):
I am now waiting for a South American airline. TAM?

Not gonna happen imo. First up would be flights to MUC considering the bigger connection network available there. Consider also that the route to TAMs hub GRU is already well served through LX.

The airlines really missing at ZRH are Middle Eastern and Maghreb carriers such as RAM, Air Algerie, MEA or EgyptAir. Now these would be some welcome additions.

There was also the rumour about CX returning to ZRH at one time.

User currently offlineFlySwiss From Switzerland, joined Jul 2003, 446 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 28343 times:

What I heard is that CX might come back onces the A350 is delivred.
MS is already codesharing with LX on the daily Cairo flight and RAM is already serving ZRH from CMN twice or three times a week.

Simle at the world and the world smiles back :)
User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5585 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 27897 times:

In the LH "Geschäftsbericht" they say that SWISS has 13 A 340 and 16 A 330. I think the A 330 numbers are correct with five new 333 next year (incl 1 EDW). But I always thought that LX flies 15 A 343. Or will two be phased out?

You find it here (on page 74):


[Edited 2011-07-11 10:13:57]

User currently offlineFelixZRH From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 226 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 27861 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 20):
But I always thought that LX flies 15 A 343. Or will two be phased out?

There are 2 A340 in the column of OS with the footnote that these a/c are with LX. So the number of 15 is correct.

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5585 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 27855 times:

Quoting FelixZRH (Reply 21):
There are 2 A340 in the column of OS with the footnote that these a/c are with LX. So the number of 15 is correct.

Thanks. It seems that I didn't read the footnotes.

User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 882 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 27746 times:

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 18):
The airlines really missing at ZRH are Middle Eastern and Maghreb carriers such as RAM, Air Algerie, MEA or EgyptAir. Now these would be some welcome additions.


CX, as already pointed out, is missing.

MH, 9W, ME, GF, EY, BR or CI would be nice additions

Perhaps MX, AR or LA...

User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4132 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 27614 times:

Air France starts daily flights Basel to Marseille as per October 2nd. Flights will operate with A-319 aircraft and fares start at 51 Euros oneway.

AF7694 MRS 0950 – 1105 MLH 319 D
AF7695 MLH 1135 – 1250 MRS 319 D

25 SR4ever : EZY is also rumoured to pull out of BSL, owing to French Labour Law...
26 RJ100 : Well, not only easyJet. If France forces the Swiss companies in the Swiss sector to make French working contracts with their employees, more than 6000
27 ZRH : This would be absolutely a catastrophe and silly. Therefore I think they must find a solution. Let's hope so. It simply cant't be.
28 SR4ever : The Tax regime of the Swiss sector is also being challenged in French courts (sorry, lost the link)
29 ZRH : In the newest German aviation magazine "Aero" (August 2011) are IATA numbers about the 50 biggest airlines regarding passengers. Overall DL is the big
30 paris380 : Not surprising because Switzerland is a small country with no domestic passengers compared to the USA. Very good. Switzerland always takes other peop
31 Viscount724 : That's changed over the past few years. Banking secrecy in Switzerland has basically disappeared. And bank accounts of dictators and others charged w
32 ZRH : Yes this is clear. But is still amazing that SWISS is bigger in absolute numbers not only in comparison to size of the country regarding internationa
33 LONGisland89 : Wow, somebody doesn't like Switzerland.
34 AirMale : Thank god, France is such a noble country, no black spots in its history, right? LOL.....
35 Post contains images aviationmaster : Since we all know that France, USA, UK and co. are all such honest partners when it comes to transparency and the tax evasion question, I'm not even
36 SR4ever : Lovely. That should enhance the case for further expansion at ZRH.
37 Post contains images RJ100 : That's pretty much one of the most stupid comments that I have read here. Congrats for that! But back to the facts: There are around 6300 jobs locate
38 LXA340 : Isn't GVA also on french teritory, or at least part of the airport?
39 Post contains links Viscount724 : . GVA airport is totally in Switzerland but the French border runs down one side of the runway for about 1/3 of it's length. When the runway was leng
40 nyswiss : Are there any news on the Swiss long-distance distance routes planned for 2012 ? I remember PEK, SIN and CPT were under consideration. Any insight wou
41 LXA340 : [quote=nyswiss,reply=40]Are there any news on the Swiss long-distance distance routes planned for 2012 ? I remember PEK, SIN and CPT were under consid
42 panamair : That would be quite some additional capacity to dump into the NYC market (from 56 seats on the Privatair 737 to 236 seats on the A333) though the new
43 DALCE : Swiss has announced the following new flights : ZRH-PEK daily ZRH-EWR a/c change to 330 eqpmt GVA-NCE 2x daily 319 increased frequencies : GVA-MAD 3x
44 OA260 : BUD being axed to look at growth in new markets. New recruitment drive . 10th Aircraft to be based at GVA .
45 Post contains links ZRH : Here the press release: http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw...ss_releases/Pages/pr_20110728.aspx
46 Post contains images SandroZRH : To be operated with an A330 starting in February 2012. That's an awfully long flight for a two-men flightcrew. In other much less significant news, I
47 ZRH : Already. Congrats. How long are you now flying on line, two years? Will you then fly only 330 or also 340?
48 SandroZRH : Thanks, by the time I'll be moving onto the A330 it will be just over 2.5 years experience on the line. I'll first be doing the A330 CCQ, and about h
49 Post contains links ZRH : Then numbers for the first half of 2011 are very good: 129 mi operating profit, more than double of the first half of 2010. Plus 11% pax. http://www.s
50 Post contains images SandroZRH : Our new labor agreement (which is still to be approved and finalised) hints at wo other destinations being in the focus for later next year. One is on
51 ZRH : Must be exiting. I talked recently to a captain. He flew 332/343 and now 333/343 and told me that he likes the 333 best.
52 Post contains images ZRH : SWISS already offers the Peking flight as a special offer between February 11 and March 31 2012, to be booked till latest August 28 2011. Always funny
53 FlySwiss : Hmm.... one new East Coast which I bet will be IAD and South East Asia could be SIN or SGN. But with the 5 new A333 which are still on order can LX se
54 Post contains images 330lover : Loaded in our system (Galileo) as operated by 343: 1234567 ZRH PEK 1730# 1020 LX 196 343 But I'm sure you are in a good position to get the correct i
55 SandroZRH : Hmm, last I heard was that an A330 would fly the route, but it could very well (and should) be an A340. So I guess they will be taking the A340 off t
56 musapapaya : 2 men crew? I thought the flight time will be ~9 hours 30 mins? musapapaya
57 SandroZRH : Yes, similiar to MIA, which is operated by a 2 men crew aswell.
58 GVAJFKflyer : Yes, that was a shame indeed.
59 SR4ever : IAH and SIN seem the likeliest to me. I think we can expect ICN, GIG and another African destination (DKR or LOS)
60 Post contains images LXA340 : Firstly congrats that you will soon fly the "big" birds The turnaround time at PEK is also rather on the shorter end, 1h45min What will actually happ
61 SR4ever : It seems Mother LH is gonna terminate most Privatair-operated flights...
62 GVAJFKflyer : Congratulations !
63 FlySwiss : Just got following message from LX I am more than happy to announce that Swiss International Air Lines Ltd. (SWISS) is to offer a new daily non-stop s
64 330lover : Apparently the 343 from BOS will move to EWR: loaded in systems as follows: 1234567 ZRH EWR 1730 2020 LX 18 343 1234567 ZRH BOS 1740 2000 LX 52 333 A
65 Viscount724 : Look at current LX special fares to BKK. ZRH-BKK is CHF 1199. GVA-BKK (via ZRH) is only CHF 829. I think LUG is equal to GVA.
66 Post contains images SandroZRH : So we were both right
67 LAX888 : I saw today that JL had a flight from ZRH to Nagoya. It was JL8824 operated by a B772 (JA707J). Is this a one time charter flight? I am a bit surprise
68 AntonovA330 : Yes, JL operates charter flights to ZRH, not sure if it's a one-timer. WK also operated charters to various Japanese airports. What kind of weight re
69 sr176 : It is not a one-timer, it takes palce avery week, but I don't know until when.
70 Post contains images ZRH : The time scheduling is interesting. The lazy four holer needs 30 min more. BTW I miss very much the flight in the "good old days". When it left very
71 Post contains images 330lover : Destination is different, EWR is a bit longer flight than BOS maybe?
72 Post contains images ZRH : I appologize, me beeing an Idiot. I read the same fligth
73 Post contains images ZRH : I am very sorry dear A340. I actally love you, what an ugli suspicion .
74 Post contains images LONGisland89 : Alles gueti zum geburtstag Schwiiz
75 robso2 : Not sure that is entirely correct. When landing in GVA you can't choose whether to arrive in to France or Switzerland - if you are flying from a Fren
76 Viscount724 : With both EK and GF starting GVA service this year, GVA is now one of only a few cities (and by far the smallest) in Europe served by all the major c
77 robso2 : Also, SV and RJ. Quite an impressive repertoire of carriers from the region. SV used to operate RUH-JED-GVA-MAN, flew on the MAN-GVA sector a few yea
78 Post contains images HECA : Don't forget MS
79 ZRH : There is thread that LY axes GRU. I think this could be a chance for SWISS if the schedule GRU-ZRH-TLV and vv is good.
80 Post contains links ZRH : Good numbers for SWISS: http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw...ic_statistics_english_komplett.pdf
81 vegas005 : SandroZRH .. I am a bit surprised you will transition to the wide-body aircraft with so little flight time. Is this a normal for Swiss? (no personal a
82 LXA340 : I guess there are already today quite a number of pax making use of it. Good connections for passengers both inbound and outbound.
83 Post contains images SandroZRH : It just depends on the availability of longhaul F/O positions, and since there's a shortage of longhaul F/Os right now, a lot of A320 Copis are being
84 DallasFlyer : Greetings from Texas..long time lurker; first time poster here. Congratulations Sandro on the transition! I recently returned from my first trip on Sw
85 mozart : ZRH based crews.
86 Post contains images SandroZRH : Yes. As Mozart has pointed out, they're ZRH based. 2 stripes = M/C shorthaul, 3 stripes = M/C longhaul
87 Post contains links ZRH : Excellent traffic figures of ZRH in the first six months of 2011: http://www.zurich-airport.com/deskto...efault.aspx/tabid-42/66_read-4011/
88 MEA330 : Unless you're only counting Gulf area carriers you forgot 1 more carrier serving GVA: ME operates daily A321 service to BEY codeshare with AC
89 Established02 : I notice on the GVA-BRU route that easyJet has (since last week) reduced their seat capacity for the upcoming winter season with about 20%. Is only BR
90 Post contains images ZRH : For the first time I read today that the sixth LH A 380 D-AIMF is named "Zürich"; nice! I only fear she won't ever visit her name city . ---A: Frankf
91 LXA340 : Strage that the plane wasn't flown over the ZRH for the name giving ceremony as for the A380 named after Vienna it was / will be flown to Vienna for
92 Post contains links robso2 : Good news from GVA: Passenger numbers rose by 19.1% this July compared to July 2008 (previous record) and very strong growth to and from the US http:/
93 ka : She will!! The date is fixed already... I can't mention more, though, at this time. Ka.
94 ZRH : Thanks. Cool, I am looking forward.
95 SR4ever : Perhaps U2 anticpates a drop in Winter Tourism in Switzerland, if the CHF-EUR rate remains at its curent ridiculous heigths...
96 AntonovA330 : Pardon my ignorance, but what does CCQ mean? And what does the transition course include, knowing the A330, getting ready for transatlantic crossing
97 ZRH : I think it means Cross Crew Qualification on Airbus planes, where you can fly almost all models with some additional instruction. As I understand are
98 Post contains links B738FlyUIA : Hi A.netters tonight on SF1 (Swiss TV) there is a documentation about "Das Drama der Swissair" at 21.05LT More infos: http://www.tvprogramm.sf.tv/deta
99 Post contains images LONGisland89 : So, HB-JMJ is scheduled for heavy maintenance tomorrow and will lose its Flower Power livery . I was fortunate enough to catch a few pictures of the p
100 Post contains links flyAUA : Swiss is holding a press conference again. Here is the link to the "live feed" http://twitter.com/#!/SwissAirLines
101 knightsofmalta : Yeah, they're getting a new logo and claim.
102 knightsofmalta : The vertical stabilizer as a new logo is not exactly very imaginative, basically that's what the old Swissair had. Can't say I like the claim though,
103 Post contains links flyAUA : I thought the new logo stories were just rumours?? Read them this morning on Blick.ch http://www.blick.ch/news/wirtschaft/...-laesst-heute-bombe-platz
104 knightsofmalta : Unfortunately not. What's wrong with the cube anyway? I always liked that.
105 Post contains images flyAUA : I like the cube too. Looks better than the old swissair logo. What I find puzzling is all the fuss??? The logo doesn't look very different to me. I ha
106 knightsofmalta : Well, if I'm perfectly honest that's one of the things that irritate me about SWISS, they manage to make the biggest PR stint out of the most insignif
107 Post contains images aviationmaster : The logo changed from the cubes and "swiss" to the vertical stabilizer and "SWISS". In the end like you rightfully said, big fuss about nothing.
108 Post contains images flyAUA : So basically remove all the square stickers from the fuselage, and voilá, new livery I hope they don't return to the grey bellys!!! I like the "clea
109 aviationmaster : This is what they tweeted regarding the livery: "Our aircraft livery remains more or less the same. The current cube logo on the fuselages will be re
110 DALCE : they had better spend their money elsewhere......
111 Post contains images flyAUA : I agree! Swiss was already an excellent brand. People don't care about statements and meanings and shapes. At the end of the day it's about service q
112 LXA340 : Exactly, how about upgrading the Airbus A340 with the new First and Economy Class + replacing the often crashing IFE system currently installed...
113 FatmirJusufi : Basically this brand new logo seems to be not too different from the older one, except some very few minor changes. The logo still has the fundamental
114 Viscount724 : There was more to the KL livery change than that. The shade of light blue used for the top of the fuselage was changed quite significantly from the p
115 SandroZRH : What a waste of money! But while they're at it, maybe they could do away with the ugly ties and give us something that doesnt look like a parrott's ta
116 kiwiandrew : Claim? Sorry, I don't understand what that means in this context. Is that another word for 'slogan' ?
117 OA260 : LOL... I thought that at first but then after so many times seeing staff in it I got used to it . As for the logo I don't see any need to change it b
118 knightsofmalta : Hi Kiwiandrew, Yes, a claim is more or less the same thing as a slogan. In marketing a claim is a sentence that is short and to the point and describe
119 ab1247 : I would disagree with some who state that this is not a significant change. The old SWISS identity was provocative, unique, and almost boutique, I wou
120 LONGisland89 : I agree with your post and I have an inkling that this is indeed Cologne's idea. It's a shame that such a fine carrier is just another subsidiary of
121 Post contains links nyswiss : Interesting Interview with Harry Hohmeister about future plans of Swiss http://atwonline.com/news/other-headlines/
122 Post contains links OlafW : from http://blog.swiss.com/2011/08/transc...t-from-chat-with-holger-hatty.html : "Question: What will be changed on the livery? Holger Haetty: On our
123 vegas005 : I would paint a huge swiss flag on the belly of each plane! That would be a great spend of cash.
124 Post contains links ZRH : A few pictures from ZRH from the new Dock B. For all those who feared that there will be no open terrace. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...96231
125 Post contains links ZRH : According to this Facebook message HB-IQA did the last A 330-200 flight for SWISS ,TLV-ZRH: Now SWISS is the only airline in Europe which offers three
126 AntonovA330 : Just out of curiosity, does someone have a clue how Peoples Vienna Line have been doing so far?
127 ZRH : Facebook posting by Zurich Airport: Short translation: A LH A 380 will come to ZRH on Tuesday 13th of September. It will be baptized to the name of "Z
128 PhilInBRN : According to some Austrian aviation board users, they have very low loads on almost all of their flights and even canceled a bunch of flights (usuall
129 LXA340 : It looks like the A332 has not left the SWISS fleet completely. I noticed that HB-IQI (Now with Edelweiss Air) operated the ZRH-CAI-ZRH flight today.
130 LAX888 : Not sure if this was mentioned here but I was looking at flights with Swiss to LHR and saw that they have a new flight in the morning which is operate
131 Post contains images SN-MD11 : Hello to all of you. I have a few questions regarding LX fleet: * Are all the A343 going to have the same interior as the A333 ? Are there any A343 al
132 ZRH : The 343 are all refurbished in Business Class, they have now the same as the 333. But not in Economy and First. About IQA and IQC I don't know. Cross
133 mozart : This morning LX 632 ZRH-CDG the usual A321 was substituted by an A333. So many pax or a narrow body going tech? It also meant that I had to disembark
134 LXM83 : Just browsed the LX website for some flights from BSL. It seems LX will be using the BD 319 on the BSL-BCN route starting with the winter timetable on
135 Post contains images SandroZRH : No, it's either A32S or A330/A340. Interesting! This hasn't been announced anywhere at all. A mid-morning flight to LHR has been long overdue, and I'
136 LXA340 : LX should have kept an A332 and operated it on the ZRH-DME-ZRH sector, I am sure it would've been a success given that on their flights with A321 they
137 Post contains images mozart : Yes, thanks! Wonderful as always. Just sorry to find out that HONs don't get fast-tracked at immigration at JFK anymore since a couple of weeks But o
138 LONGisland89 : Edelweiss has announced 2x weekly ZRH-TPA service next summer as well as Funchal, Alicante, and Dubrovnik. Did anyone else notice the new logo as well
139 LXA340 : Probably the ZRH-BEY could make sense although it's probably more a seasonal destination and LH covers the route at least from FRA. On another note I
140 mozart : The new Edelweiss "swish" looks a bit like the Air France one. But I like it, too! Let's see whether planes will see a new colour scheme as well. I a
141 LXM83 : It was a 767-300. They usually fly roughly once a month from TAS to ZRH as cargo flights (even though they are passenger versions) and they depart as
142 ZRH : There is a short notice in the printed edition of the "Neue Zürcher Zeitung" (September 17th, p 22; I don't find it online) that SQ comes with a new
143 LONGisland89 : Random question for all you Schwiizers. Before year's end are there any decent airshows to go to in Switzerland? I'm aware of the show at Axalp and I'
144 Post contains images dens : Sion Airshow 2011! But finished today
145 SR4EVER : Not a bad idea... Perahps we will see some 333 from 2012 or 2013 on ZRH-DME. ZRH-IST could perhaps support a 333, too, but in a more distant future t
146 begemot : Doesn't BA do something like this now? It would be great on ZRH-DME especially on the night flight.
147 SR4ever : Yes, they do, that's a recent upgrade. Agreed, but also very relevant on the day flight. Does LH happen to send 333/343/346 to DME?
148 LXA340 : I doubt we will see that, the A333's including the ones that will be newly delivered will be fully utilized. No they don't.
149 Post contains images swissy : 10 years ago... SR no longer, cannot believe it has been 10 years Also still cannot understand all these "SR monkeys" walked away free. Our family los
150 SR4ever : Starting 30th October, AF will cut its current BSL-LYS offer from 3 to 2-daily.
151 Viscount724 : The temporary grounding was 10 years ago when they ran out of cash to pay for fuel, but SR then resumed service with government funding until they fi
152 AntonovA330 : Sooo... the new logo has been implemented on the website.. Not sure yet - should I be crying or laughing? Time will tell.
153 OA260 : I have to say I quite like the new website. Very clean and fresh .
154 ZRH : The new site is less clear. When you want to know how many aircraft of each type they fly you find it under "about SWISS" "facts and figures" (not fle
155 icna05e : Anticipating the opening of Rhin-Rhone TGV line? Do they plan on keeping all PAR-MLH flights come December? Or will it be like at Strasbourg four yea
156 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : Yeah, it looks nice. I have already downloaded their wallpaper and screensaver. - http://oursignisapromise.com
157 SR4ever : Yes, most probably. However, there is also a good move, with 7 new daily low-fare AF flights MRS-BSL. No frequency cuts planned so far, but we might
158 Post contains images icna05e : one daily, no? On top of the 2 twinjet flights. But still good addition, especially for 50€ oneway! On another note, how is Baboo/Darwin doing now?
159 Post contains images SR4ever : Yes, 7-weekly
160 RJ100 : Quite some activity in the Basel-France market...easyJet is going to start Basel-Toulouse in spring 2012 with a Toulouse-based aircraft.
161 SR4ever : It's been rumoured that Swiss would be eyeing ZRH-SGN sometime in 2012, any more recent news?
162 OlafW : Are they marketed as MRS-BSL or do you have to choose MLH on the booking website? I just had an experience with a ORY-BSL flight, which would route m
163 Lionel : The same happend to me while booking an AF-flight departing Euroairport. A flight departing MLH was much cheaper then departing BSL.
164 Post contains links ZRH : 51 days to go until the new Dock B and and viewing deck and the central security building open. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...92676.58324.119
165 LAX888 : That is very unusual. Probably a tag-on from BKK? I just cannot imagine a standalone ZRH-SGN flight. Another question though. How does LX utilize the
166 SandroZRH : They plan them ahead. Very seldom do we have aircraft type changes from the originally planned type when the monthly rosters were published.
167 LAX888 : ok so that means they decide one month ahead which type of plane they use? Today I saw they changed LX338 to a 319 from a 321 which then went to Fran
168 musapapaya : But the cew are certified to fly the whole of the A320 family, so it does not matter what you fly on the day?
169 SandroZRH : Yes, it obviously does happen, but it's not the norm. Sometimes flights are cancelled and later flights will have bigger loads, aircraft go tech or a
170 LAX888 : Thanks for your reply Sandro. Very interesting insight. I will be on LX 338 and LX 327 in Nov and it shows an A320, so I guess it will now stay like
171 aviationmaster : The gates are assinged by the airport from the airport steering office and they usually try to assign them in a way that suits the airline best. Obvi
172 AntonovA330 : With the introduction of the new logo, when can we expect to see the revised livery on the aircrafts?
173 LXA340 : Supposedly on the new A333's which will be delivered at the begiing of next year. On the current fleet the only thing which will be changed at the be
174 LAX888 : Not sure if it has been asked before, however why does LX use those old B gates for Non-Shengen flights in Europe but uses Dock E for all other intern
175 LXA340 : It deffinetly has to do with capacity issues, at least from the morning until after 1PM. Nevertheless probably the main reason is the utilization of
176 ZRH : Dock E is mostly used for wide-body aircrafts. As said are all needed during the morning till 1300. Only on the west side there are a few gates where
177 LAX888 : Thanks for the replies. I guess I just always wondered why BA can use the E dock and LX uses the B gates. Looking forward to the new B Dock in Decembe
178 ZRH : Where else should they park at the moment? As the B gates don't have bridges till December and all A gates are Schengen they would have to park them
179 infodesk : A couple of weeks ago, I noticed the morning BSL-ZRH and evening ZRH-BSL rotations are only being operated as ferry flights. They have completely disa
180 PhilInBRN : I assume the ferry flights exist due to the RJ100 maintenance located in BSL.
181 RJ100 : There is a daily RJ100 flight between ZRH and BSL for maintenance reasons. They stopped to accept passengers on this flight so they can save handling
182 LIPZ : Do you know since when? I took this flight twice some years ago (with ER4), I guess it used to be one of the shorter regular flights in Europe.[Edite
183 RJ100 : It is a ferry flight only since September.
184 infodesk : Ok, that makes sense, thanks for clarifying it. It's a real shame they've stopped accepting passengers as it was a nice little hop, especially on a cl
185 mcg : I had the opportunity to fly RH-FLR and return this summer and I was really impresed by the ability of the two crew memebers to provide full service
186 Post contains images OA260 : Many thanks for the link. I certainly look forward to testing it out many times this Winter
187 musapapaya : I will be there on 9/12/2011 and 12/12/2001 on flights between MAN and FCO, connecting at ZRH! Looking forward to that!
188 ZRH : I had the opportunity to fly RH-FLR and return this summer and I was really impresed by the ability of the two crew memebers to provide full service t
189 Post contains links ZRH : ZRH builds some new stands for smaller aircrafts like the CS 100 which SWISS will fly instead of the AVROs. The CS have 9 meter more wingspan than the
190 mcg : Yes, thanks you.
191 Post contains links ZRH : SWISS press release, Winter time table: http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw...1018.aspx?1318931645007&Country=CH -new daily flight to PEK -more f
192 helvknight : US710 from PHL 6 1/2 hours late this morning, had to stop at BOS. Any idea what happened? Presumably it went tech.
193 Post contains links ZRH : Cool, the whole SWISS fleet on photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/swissin...nes/collections/72157627811885437/
194 mozart : I asked the question some time ago but never got a real answer: which airline will use which Terminal after Dock B will be open? I would have thought:
195 aviationmaster : The airport operator (Flughafen Zurich AG) is in charge of assigning the gates for all airlines. At this point, with the info that I've received, it
196 Post contains links ZRH : Today (Oct 26) at 1900 on TV SF 1 (Schweiz Aktuell) there is a report about the new Terrace B. I guess it can be seen in the next days also online on
197 ZRH : Only a short report: There will be cool new things: electronic binoculars, so called air-scope, where you can zoom on a object and it says on the scr
198 Post contains links ZRH : Brilliant results of SWISS in first 9 months of the year. Operating profit 24% up on the same period of last year: http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_s
199 Post contains links and images aviationmaster : Yesterday evening, a SWISS A321 operating flight LX1273 from CPH to ZRH, had to make an emergency landing in FRA due to a shattered windshield. http:/
200 LONGisland89 : I heard a rumor that LX will restart SIN and the new East Coast destination will be IAD. Both routes are already served by Star members, however that
201 ZRH : IAD could very well be but with SIN I am asking myself if they can compete with the SQ A380?
202 ManekS : For SIN based passengers, $9000 in J on SQ vs $6000 in J on LX is a no brainer. SWISS offers a fantastic product and if they promote aggressively, th
203 AntonovA330 : LX and SIN - a long lasting rumour... Besides, LX' flight used to be a late night departure while SQ's is around midday.
204 Post contains links OA260 : An article on the new terrace here : NEW VISITOR TERRACE AT ZURICH AIRPORT OPENS ON DECEMBER 1, 2011 After undergoing a complete four-year renovation,
205 SR4ever : IAH and ICN would be better options. So far no direct service to/from ZRH as far as ICN is concerned, while both airports are major Star hubs. IAH ca
206 panamair : KE, though not *A, is flying ZRH-ICN 3x weekly this winter with an A332; they operated a 744 during this past summer.
207 Post contains images SR4ever : Had actually IAH in mind, sorry
208 LXA340 : Well lets's see the two A333's that will be delivered in Q1 2012 will be used for EWR and PEK. Another A333 will follow by october which might be use
209 Viscount724 : I disagree. KE is known for their discounting practices. Competing head-to-head with them would require matching their fares. That's not compatible w
210 PhilInBRN : Me too. TPE comes to mind. However there would be no Star Alliance feed on the other end.
211 SR4ever : European airlines serving Korea tend to offer rather high fares, especially in Business class... If ICN is not an appropriate target, where else in A
212 Post contains links ZRH : Tests at new Dock B at ZRH. View from the new terrace. You really get close to the aircrafts: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...879.1195789747720
213 Post contains images DALCE : Actually the SQ 380 to ZRH was a reducement of available seats. SQ used to operate 10x weekly 77W and changed this into daily 380. Also LX used to fl
214 OA260 : Are there glass barriers going on top of those walls ? Its very open !
215 PhilInBRN : There will not be any glass in this area. However anyone willing to enjoy the viewing deck has to pass a proper security check.
216 SandroZRH : There's a lot of galley gossip going on re. fleet renewal and network changes. If just half of it is true, we're in for some major announcements in th
217 Post contains images DALCE : I believe this gossip has been in place for years already. And most gossip is created by arm-chair CEO's like us here on A.net Although I would love
218 Post contains images glidepath73 : This, togther with the fact that LX is doing more than brilliant currently, makes me really curious now...
219 ZRH : No glass, it's open. The people are there after a security check.
220 Post contains links debonair : Sorry, if posted before... TOR AIR SWEDEN will start weekly seasonal service between LGW and GVA from January 2012. http://www.torair.se/
221 Post contains images LXA340 : One of these I heard by various M/C's on my last flights are the A350's which are pretty much a sure thing to start replacing the A343's from as earl
222 Post contains images glidepath73 : Thought just the same. But well, since LX is doing so good, I am still dreaming of A380's in the new SWISS livery....... Is that really impossible? C
223 SR4ever : Not in this decade, possibly in the next one, on a handful of routes. Until then, I d love to see some 346s in LX colours (LAX, GRU, JNB, HKG, NRT).
224 DALCE : I think a lot of things are currently being held up by the referendum upcoming month. If any expansions are ruled out for the future, SWISS does not n
225 RJ100 : With the IAG take-over of BMI it seems LX needs once again change their strategy in Basel. I doubt BMI will keep their flights to BSL so they need to
226 SR4ever : Agreed. LX will have to re-instate BSL-LHR in its own metal, and most of BSL-BCN, too.
227 Post contains images GVAJFKflyer : Nice
228 LXA340 : let's really hope that the majority will not be that "bünzli" narrow minded and will vote 2x "NEIN" Nevertheless I think you are right, if the vote
229 Post contains images GVAJFKflyer : Actually, it is not a federal referendum, and it is only up to the voters registered in the canton (state) of Zurich. For all of us in the rest of Sw
230 Post contains images ZRH : I tell all my friends to go voting for 2x "NEIN". I already sent it by post.
231 ZRH : Yesterday I had once again an interesting tour with SRTechnics. IOC was in the hangar for a D-check. In front of the hangar stood the 332 IQC still in
232 SN-MD11 : Seems like LX is set to abandon its Cameroon flights as from summer 2012 as the flights would be permanently transfered to Brussels Airlines. That's w
233 SandroZRH : Correct. I'm not sad to see them go, but I hope they won't cancel the NBO/DAR flights, those are quite popular among crews. edit: I'm told that a fai
234 DALCE : Lets hope not! DLA & NSI are moneymakers cargowise with healthy yield! I would hate to see them transferred to whoever.. This f***s up my day.....
235 Post contains links slz396 : According to this topic, LX will indeed transfer its flights to DLA and NSI to SN... http://www.luchtzak.be/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=46087 It al
236 SandroZRH : I'm quite willing to hand DLA and NSI over to SN, they are not exactly the places where i would like to spend a couple of days at, and neither do mos
237 DALCE : Which I absolutely do understand. Still from cargo-perspective it is a huge loss!
238 Post contains images mozart : Except those colleagues of yours who apparently have a "second family" complete with wife and kids down there. At least this is what I was told by an
239 mozart : More seriously: which longhaul destinations have recently been given up and will be opened again? Probably Riyadh/Jeddah. The others I cannot imagine:
240 SR4ever : Unlikely, as this seems to be a LH-only destination (OS also pulled out last year) It could be SIN, GIG, IAD...
241 slz396 : FWIW, BD also serves Riyadh and Jeddah. Given BD is about to be sold to BA, another airline of the LH group may have been called upon to operate to S
242 runway23 : Thinking further back IAD seems like a good possibility. Nearer to Switzerland, TUN and DKR could also be good ideas.
243 mozart : Except that GIG and IAD aren't exactly "recently given up", and SIN is recently given up but would require some shuffling of the longhaul fleet (as w
244 ManekS : It's been over two and a half years since they left .. not exactly recent. If they return in S12, it will be great to see them back after three (even
245 Post contains links NZ1 : Due to the length of this thread, please continue discussion here: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28 (by NZ1 Nov 9 2011 in Civil Aviation) NZ1 Forum Mo
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