blueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 19751 times:
Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 1): I'm not sure what would be appropiate,but something better than that should be in the works IMO.
You know, had the airline done the right thing (in my opinion) and called the police, I would have said the voucher would have been far more than necessary. After all, airlines aren't responsible for the boorish behavior of their passengers. But all of that changes when they effectively condone said behavior by not alerting the authorities. A formal apology and a much steeper voucher are due, along with a trip to HR and a loss of seniority for the crew who thought this was very funny.
kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 19479 times:
Absolutely disgusting, and I cannot believe that they let him off with a warning instead of making an example of him. Ironic isn't it, the one passenger they would have really been justified in grounding and they did nothing.
On the other hand, while I certainly don't condone what he did, I have heard more than a few people comment since this story broke that there is an element of poetic justice in this since Jetstar have spent most of the last couple of weeks peeing all over New Zealander's travel arrangements... it just would have been nice if he had directed his urine at JQ management rather than at innocent pax.
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
Fuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 19386 times:
Urinating on the seat is a very common problem on Airnorth (Australia) when flying to the Arnhem land in the Northern Territory. Those that don't know, but Arnhem land destinations are Gove, Groote Island, Elcote Island, Manangrida, Milingimbi.
Usually the PAX are drunk.
VC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2898 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 18795 times:
This is a true story: In the late 1970's my Scottish cousin was a FA for British Caledonian. She told me she was working on a flight from a fairly unusual place when a middle aged man in robes in economy squatted down in the aisle and "evacuated" at 30,000 feet!!! The plane was completely full and they couldn't even move pax away.
My cousin and other FA's tried to convince him, with a bucket of soapy water, towels and even a brush to clean his mess. He refused strongly and said he would not take orders from women. So, the captain of the (DC-10 I think) came back and forced him to clean up after himself and told him an airplane is private property and not the street. When they arrived in Scotland the police were there and had him taken off first. I am not familiar with Scottish law when it comes to dumping on their flag carrier!
She didn't fly for that long before becoming a nurse- but she saw a lot of the world and at 17 I recalled being wildly jealous. Except for this one experience for which Lisa will never forget!
The world is missing love, let's use our flights to spread it!
AvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 14912 times:
You could probably argue that being peed on is a form of assault and that the victims could have contacted the police themselves once they reached their destination. What the heck is wrong with people? I like a few drinks now and then, but how wrecked do you have to be to do something this dumb and crude? Of course the cabin altitude would have increased the effects of the booze, so if the pee-er wasn't aware of this he may have been caught off guard. Still no excuse though.
Give me a mile of road and I can take you a mile. Give me a mile of runway and I can show you the world.
goblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10589 times:
God, the smell must've been atrocious to say the least! How far was this into the flight? Also, if only in NZ would this happen. If this happened in the US it would be all over the news and the guy would probably be in jail for a good amount of time. I'm also disgusted at the F/As for not calling the authorities. Remind me never to fly Jetstar.
ba286 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10035 times:
This sounds like something that would happen in Russia, not, of all scenarios, on a flight to Singapore. I imagine that the crew decided to let the guy go (on humanitarian grounds) given that he would be arrested by SIN officials.
He should be banned from setting foot on a JQ aircraft and be enrolled in a alcohol rehab program.
flyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9737 times:
Quoting VC10er (Reply 9): My cousin and other FA's tried to convince him, with a bucket of soapy water, towels and even a brush to clean his mess. He refused strongly and said he would not take orders from women.
That refusal now would be another felony for interfering with a flight crew.
Ronglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9499 times:
Quoting jetfuel (Reply 11): THE rise of budget airlines has unleashed a new class of traveller on the flying public and fellow flyers and airports are not happy about it.
That may not be a politically correct thing to say, but I tend to agree that it is true. I travel by bus, train, and aircraft and I see that there is an increasing gap between passenger behaviour and the ability of the agents of the transporting company to exert appropriate authority and control. I'm not surprised by the F/A's giggle in this case.
I find that bus drivers are the most effective in showing authority and controlling misbehaving passengers. Maybe that's because they have been dealing with the problem the longest?
Speaking of Singapore, I've travelled by ferry in Singapore, and you don't get to screw around on them. You get on, you sit down, and you stay seated until you're told to get up.
mabadia71 From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2008, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8169 times:
I would had have him arrested for assault, and then I would have sue him for Damages. And I might even encourage the judge to ban him from flying. I do think that the attitude from the FA was unacceptable and even disgusting. I probably never fly JQ. I do think that the $200 voucher is almost an insult, not because the passenger peed on the other passenger, but because the cabin crew did nothing about it.
: They probably didn't want to turn him into police at arrival at SIN due to their rather harsh and violent punishments like caning which I suspect the
: You pee on me and I'll shove you into the lav and stick your foot in the toilet and press flush. Or is that only in movies where they get stuck?
: It was UA not AA in October 1995. He was fined $5,000 and sentenced to 2 years probation. He had previously agreed to pay $48,000 to refund the fares
: I think of this when people complain that low-fare carriers are to blame for passengers behaving poorly. The fact is, money and manners aren't really
: I can't believe Jetstar wouldn't press charges! And an insulting $200 voucher for the victims? Can JQ be that stupid.
: Please explain what, in your mind, there is about NZL or New Zealanders that would cause this only to happen in NZL.
: Riiiiiiiight, because there are NO pay toilets on FR and nowhere is the airline mentioned. Makes perfect sense. Well, that depends. If there is ANY t
: I've always said that there is only one thing worse than being pissed off. Being pissed on.
: Well, in the U.S. common carriers owe a pretty high duty of care to its passengers and if the flight attendants did not do anything other than giggle
: Nice one. The airline is complicit with their inaction by not alerting the authorities to the situation and is also responsible for the comfort and s
: Is this what we would call the "Urine luck special?"
: And wasn't this guy either a president of a corporation or some other big wig to top it off? I think he lost his job after this incident, and I don't
: The urinator has been named - a university student: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10736344 "The Jetstar urinator h
: If someone pees on me they are going to have much more immediate concerns than what happens to them on the ground. There will be plenty of opportuniti
: Clearly this guy was severely drunk ( which in no way excuses his actions) so the obvious questions to me are: Did Jetstar let him board already sever
: If anybody question the era of jet-set when only ladies and getlemen can afford to fly, well, it's certainly looooooonnnnng over.
: LOL - there's some truth in that. To be completely fair here, it is not the first time in the history of civil aviation that it has happened - it has
: If the crew has to deal with one or more pax who are drunk in flight, they distract unnecessary from their duties including safety. What if a diversi
: And there will be plenty of opportunities for you to reassess your attitude while languishing in jail under a felony assault conviction.
: But oh how tempting the option would seem at the time the urine hit your face or pant leg or other part of your person. That is the sad part of civili
: Maybe so. However, what is really the point of a reaction to a situation that is in the past? If someone urinates on you, move out the way, push him
: I know a couple of people who would have enjoyed the "golden shower".... In any case, why did it take a full 20 minutes before the crew responded? Sur
: And what real purpose is that going to serve? Additionally, what 'appropriate' damage was actually done? I guess you're meaning by 'civilised' method
: Someone, I didn't think anyone could mis-interpret what I wrote. But, let me clarify. I proposed two actions: 1) Pressing charges for assault. The "r
: No, I didn't mis-interpret what you wrote nor was I actually criticising it.....I was questioning it's application on reality/practicality. Sure we h
: You're right, it's not a common occurrence, unlike getting bumped on a lift. People who live in the world give their implied consent that they will b
: That's exactly what I was implying and I clearly said I was questioning it's practicality in reality. Of course it was a disgraceful act, that's not
: Nope. Arrested yes but I will get off on self defense grounds. So long as the perp initiated it (urine is a biohazard) and I stop him in the action o
: If you can convince people that urine is bihazard material (it would probably have to have blood in it) you could get a serious damage award. If not,
: The airlines consider it biohazard, why shouldn't he? Is he suppose to do a urinalysis of it on the spot? lol But nowadays, down is up and up is down
: As a former hazmat inspector I can guarrantee you that urine is a biohazard. As for the high and mighty responses regarding self defense, I'd like to