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Passenger Pee's On Other Pax  
User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
Posted (3 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 21755 times:
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Ah, for the good ol' days of flying:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/new...ticle.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=10735146

"A drunk New Zealand passenger urinated in the aisle of a Jetstar aircraft - spraying one man and soaking a woman's scarf - but was allowed to leave the flight with only a warning.

Only a warning? But there is a follow-up:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/ne...cle.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10735952

"According to the undisputed reports of those involved, staff responded, after 20 minutes, by giggling. An apology letter and a $200 voucher is alleged to be in the works. That's it."

I'd want a bit more than that if he's pee'd on me. I had the chance to book Jetstar yesterday. I declined. LOL

mariner


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User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 21713 times:

Disgusting.

$200 voucher ? I'm not sure what would be appropiate,but something better than that should be in the works IMO.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24891 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 21602 times:

Similar incident happened on an FJ flight NRT-NAN in 2007. Fijian soldier returning from peacekeeping duties in the Middle East urinated on a female Japanese passenger. It gave FJ (and Fiji) such a bad image in the Japanese tourist market that FJ dropped their Japan route not long after.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/travel/fi...nger/2007/04/05/1175366369391.html


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4952 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 21461 times:

from the article:

The man left the plane with only a warning and Singapore police were not called to deal with the matter on landing, he said.

I imagine if Singapore police had gotten a hold of this guy, he wouldn't be repeating this incident again anytime soon.

How disgusting, and think how it smelled in there after 5 more hours of flying?



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3936 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19733 times:
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Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 1):
I'm not sure what would be appropiate,but something better than that should be in the works IMO.

You know, had the airline done the right thing (in my opinion) and called the police, I would have said the voucher would have been far more than necessary. After all, airlines aren't responsible for the boorish behavior of their passengers. But all of that changes when they effectively condone said behavior by not alerting the authorities. A formal apology and a much steeper voucher are due, along with a trip to HR and a loss of seniority for the crew who thought this was very funny.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5452 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19638 times:

Well, Mariner, at least you expressed your opinion with your wallet. That's often the only way these companies will get the message.

Oh, and "eeeewwwwwwwwwww........."

-Dave



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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19461 times:
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Absolutely disgusting, and I cannot believe that they let him off with a warning instead of making an example of him. Ironic isn't it, the one passenger they would have really been justified in grounding and they did nothing.

On the other hand, while I certainly don't condone what he did, I have heard more than a few people comment since this story broke that there is an element of poetic justice in this since Jetstar have spent most of the last couple of weeks peeing all over New Zealander's travel arrangements... it just would have been nice if he had directed his urine at JQ management rather than at innocent pax.



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User currently offlineFuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19368 times:

Urinating on the seat is a very common problem on Airnorth (Australia) when flying to the Arnhem land in the Northern Territory. Those that don't know, but Arnhem land destinations are Gove, Groote Island, Elcote Island, Manangrida, Milingimbi.
Usually the PAX are drunk.


User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1644 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 19310 times:

I assumed this article was about Ryanair and the guy didn't have money for the pay toilet.

User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18777 times:
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This is a true story: In the late 1970's my Scottish cousin was a FA for British Caledonian. She told me she was working on a flight from a fairly unusual place when a middle aged man in robes in economy squatted down in the aisle and "evacuated" at 30,000 feet!!! The plane was completely full and they couldn't even move pax away.

My cousin and other FA's tried to convince him, with a bucket of soapy water, towels and even a brush to clean his mess. He refused strongly and said he would not take orders from women. So, the captain of the (DC-10 I think) came back and forced him to clean up after himself and told him an airplane is private property and not the street. When they arrived in Scotland the police were there and had him taken off first. I am not familiar with Scottish law when it comes to dumping on their flag carrier!

She didn't fly for that long before becoming a nurse- but she saw a lot of the world and at 17 I recalled being wildly jealous. Except for this one experience for which Lisa will never forget!



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User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14894 times:

You could probably argue that being peed on is a form of assault and that the victims could have contacted the police themselves once they reached their destination. What the heck is wrong with people? I like a few drinks now and then, but how wrecked do you have to be to do something this dumb and crude? Of course the cabin altitude would have increased the effects of the booze, so if the pee-er wasn't aware of this he may have been caught off guard. Still no excuse though.


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User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14715 times:

THE rise of budget airlines has unleashed a new class of traveller on the flying public and fellow flyers and airports are not happy about it.

Airline and airport workers have noticed a rise in the number of badly behaved passengers and say budget airlines are partly to blame, prompting calls for a traveller's code of conduct.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/trav...viour/story-e6frg8ro-1226080920753

Why JQ is bad for QF



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14317 times:
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Quoting jetfuel (Reply 11):
THE rise of budget airlines has unleashed a new class of traveller on the flying public and fellow flyers and airports are not happy about it.

Airline and airport workers have noticed a rise in the number of badly behaved passengers and say budget airlines are partly to blame, prompting calls for a traveller's code of conduct.

Perhaps. But some enforce / expect a higher standard of public conduct.

Try this stunt on an FL or a WN flight and see how far you get.


User currently offlineworldliner From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13838 times:

What the...?

If he was that drunk how was he able to board? Im guessing they also served him alcohol on board? Should common sense of told the crew to do something?



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User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1059 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13802 times:

Quoting AvroArrow (Reply 10):
a form of assault

Battery in Illinois, and likely Aggrivated Battery punishable by up to 3-5 years in prison and $10,000 fine!


User currently offlineusa330300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13537 times:

The airline need not offer any compensation. They did not urinate on the pax. This man should have been charged with assault and jailed.

User currently offlineferengi80 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13242 times:
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Surely an indencent exposure charge should have followed at least? What are Jetstar thinking of letting the guy get off with this?


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User currently offlinefrmrCapCadet From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13038 times:

Quoting usa330300 (Reply 15):
The airline need not offer any compensation. They did not urinate on the pax. This man should have been charged with assault and jailed.

Correct. A few days of jail time, compensation to airline and passenger. (throwing the book, prison - serious over reaction.)



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User currently onlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2950 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12928 times:

Quoting frmrCapCadet (Reply 17):
A few days of jail time

The flight was to SIN. Caning?



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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10571 times:

God, the smell must've been atrocious to say the least! How far was this into the flight? Also, if only in NZ would this happen. If this happened in the US it would be all over the news and the guy would probably be in jail for a good amount of time. I'm also disgusted at the F/As for not calling the authorities. Remind me never to fly Jetstar.


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User currently offlineba286 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10017 times:

This sounds like something that would happen in Russia, not, of all scenarios, on a flight to Singapore. I imagine that the crew decided to let the guy go (on humanitarian grounds) given that he would be arrested by SIN officials.

He should be banned from setting foot on a JQ aircraft and be enrolled in a alcohol rehab program.



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User currently offlineflyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9719 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 9):
My cousin and other FA's tried to convince him, with a bucket of soapy water, towels and even a brush to clean his mess. He refused strongly and said he would not take orders from women.

That refusal now would be another felony for interfering with a flight crew.


User currently offlineRonglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9481 times:

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 11):
THE rise of budget airlines has unleashed a new class of traveller on the flying public and fellow flyers and airports are not happy about it.


That may not be a politically correct thing to say, but I tend to agree that it is true. I travel by bus, train, and aircraft and I see that there is an increasing gap between passenger behaviour and the ability of the agents of the transporting company to exert appropriate authority and control. I'm not surprised by the F/A's giggle in this case.

I find that bus drivers are the most effective in showing authority and controlling misbehaving passengers. Maybe that's because they have been dealing with the problem the longest?

Speaking of Singapore, I've travelled by ferry in Singapore, and you don't get to screw around on them. You get on, you sit down, and you stay seated until you're told to get up.


User currently offlineklmd11l From New Zealand, joined Dec 2007, 123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8427 times:

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 1):
I'm not sure what would be appropiate,but something better than that should be in the works IMO.

The airline should've compensated the two affected pax for their tickets cost, fined the offender the same amount plus the cost of cleaning the cabin.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 3):
I imagine if Singapore police had gotten a hold of this guy, he wouldn't be repeating this incident again anytime soon.
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
Absolutely disgusting, and I cannot believe that they let him off with a warning instead of making an example of him.

He's a very lucky man indeed, it's kind of the peed-on pax to let him go.



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User currently offlinemabadia71 From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2008, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8151 times:

I would had have him arrested for assault, and then I would have sue him for Damages. And I might even encourage the judge to ban him from flying. I do think that the attitude from the FA was unacceptable and even disgusting. I probably never fly JQ. I do think that the $200 voucher is almost an insult, not because the passenger peed on the other passenger, but because the cabin crew did nothing about it.


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25 ltbewr : They probably didn't want to turn him into police at arrival at SIN due to their rather harsh and violent punishments like caning which I suspect the
26 Post contains images N126DL : You pee on me and I'll shove you into the lav and stick your foot in the toilet and press flush. Or is that only in movies where they get stuck?
27 Viscount724 : It was UA not AA in October 1995. He was fined $5,000 and sentenced to 2 years probation. He had previously agreed to pay $48,000 to refund the fares
28 Homsar : I think of this when people complain that low-fare carriers are to blame for passengers behaving poorly. The fact is, money and manners aren't really
29 multimark : I can't believe Jetstar wouldn't press charges! And an insulting $200 voucher for the victims? Can JQ be that stupid.
30 Kaiarahi : Please explain what, in your mind, there is about NZL or New Zealanders that would cause this only to happen in NZL.
31 Post contains images RussianJet : Riiiiiiiight, because there are NO pay toilets on FR and nowhere is the airline mentioned. Makes perfect sense. Well, that depends. If there is ANY t
32 Woof : I've always said that there is only one thing worse than being pissed off. Being pissed on.
33 Grid : Well, in the U.S. common carriers owe a pretty high duty of care to its passengers and if the flight attendants did not do anything other than giggle
34 brilondon : Nice one. The airline is complicit with their inaction by not alerting the authorities to the situation and is also responsible for the comfort and s
35 747srule : Is this what we would call the "Urine luck special?"
36 type-rated : And wasn't this guy either a president of a corporation or some other big wig to top it off? I think he lost his job after this incident, and I don't
37 Post contains links mariner : The urinator has been named - a university student: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10736344 "The Jetstar urinator h
38 Flaps : If someone pees on me they are going to have much more immediate concerns than what happens to them on the ground. There will be plenty of opportuniti
39 kiwiandrew : Clearly this guy was severely drunk ( which in no way excuses his actions) so the obvious questions to me are: Did Jetstar let him board already sever
40 wnbob : If anybody question the era of jet-set when only ladies and getlemen can afford to fly, well, it's certainly looooooonnnnng over.
41 mariner : LOL - there's some truth in that. To be completely fair here, it is not the first time in the history of civil aviation that it has happened - it has
42 Post contains images ltbewr : If the crew has to deal with one or more pax who are drunk in flight, they distract unnecessary from their duties including safety. What if a diversi
43 cygnuschicago : And there will be plenty of opportunities for you to reassess your attitude while languishing in jail under a felony assault conviction.
44 AvroArrow : But oh how tempting the option would seem at the time the urine hit your face or pant leg or other part of your person. That is the sad part of civili
45 cygnuschicago : Maybe so. However, what is really the point of a reaction to a situation that is in the past? If someone urinates on you, move out the way, push him
46 Post contains images sq772 : I know a couple of people who would have enjoyed the "golden shower".... In any case, why did it take a full 20 minutes before the crew responded? Sur
47 AirNZ : And what real purpose is that going to serve? Additionally, what 'appropriate' damage was actually done? I guess you're meaning by 'civilised' method
48 cygnuschicago : Someone, I didn't think anyone could mis-interpret what I wrote. But, let me clarify. I proposed two actions: 1) Pressing charges for assault. The "r
49 AirNZ : No, I didn't mis-interpret what you wrote nor was I actually criticising it.....I was questioning it's application on reality/practicality. Sure we h
50 Grid : You're right, it's not a common occurrence, unlike getting bumped on a lift. People who live in the world give their implied consent that they will b
51 AirNZ : That's exactly what I was implying and I clearly said I was questioning it's practicality in reality. Of course it was a disgraceful act, that's not
52 Flaps : Nope. Arrested yes but I will get off on self defense grounds. So long as the perp initiated it (urine is a biohazard) and I stop him in the action o
53 Grid : If you can convince people that urine is bihazard material (it would probably have to have blood in it) you could get a serious damage award. If not,
54 PlanesNTrains : The airlines consider it biohazard, why shouldn't he? Is he suppose to do a urinalysis of it on the spot? lol But nowadays, down is up and up is down
55 Flaps : As a former hazmat inspector I can guarrantee you that urine is a biohazard. As for the high and mighty responses regarding self defense, I'd like to
56 IPFreely : This thread is funny. I like it.
57 milesrich : You can't be serious! The airline is supposed to provide a safe secure environment for their passengers. They either allowed a drunk to board the air
58 Post contains links mariner : Well, here he is - the Jetstar urinator, with photo: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10736558 "A friend of the Jetst
59 kiwiandrew : Absolutely. Considering that Jetstar has spent most of the last couple of weeks telling everyone very loudly that they always put safety first it is
60 Kaiarahi : So far, his mother seems to be the only one half-heartedly taking any responsibility ("he's sorry IF he offended anyone"). Really! Maybe he left his
61 AirNZ : Sorry, but what is a major safety hazard about it.......in the context that alcohol related incidents occur all over the world on a daily basis? Usin
62 gigneil : In well over 700,000 miles I can honestly say the worst thing I've seen is some rowdy European footballers throwing their cards during a vigorous game
63 Kaiarahi : Dunno how your body works, but I generally pee after drinking a large quantity of water.
64 MillwallSean : Have the man been reported to the Singapore police yet? If not lets hope the passengers do report him because if they do even a few days after it has
65 Kaiarahi : Deliberately letting a one-eyed trouser snake loose in the cabin ....
66 YYZYYT : Hats off to you - you must be one brave dude. I would consider it a VERY bad idea to start an altercation on a flight from India to Singapore, with n
67 kiwiandrew : You have obviously not seen the photos taken by another pax on the flight. The photo shows him slumped forward in his seat with only his seat belt st
68 blrsea : Isn't there any limit on how much alcohol the cabin crew can serve a passenger if they are already drunk? I thought some airlines(SQ?) had such a poli
69 kiwiandrew : In many countries it is not just a policy, it is a regulatory requirement to refuse to serve obviously intoxicated pax or permit obviously intoxicate
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