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User currently offlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 538 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

All,

I saw on continental.com that there is a UA flight, with a two digit flight number, that says "OPERATED BY CONTINENTAL AIRLINES." My question is: why did it say this because the code shares are normally four digit flight numbers. Does this mean that the original UA flight has been taken over by CO, or is it that the two are merged and the only things missing are a unified FF program and the new UA livery on all of the planes?

Secondly, will the call sign become United... for all flights when all of the planes are repainted?

Thank you in advance for all answers/comments,

laxboeingman


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User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Quoting laxboeingman (Thread starter):
Secondly, will the call sign become United... for all flights when all of the planes are repainted?

I am sure others will correct me, but until they the SOC they are going to be using the current call-signs.

As for the future call sign, what else would it be?   I am going to be on something like 'lc' or leading carrier  
Quoting laxboeingman (Thread starter):
I saw on continental.com that there is a UA flight, with a two digit flight number, that says "OPERATED BY CONTINENTAL AIRLINES." My question is: why did it say this because the code shares are normally four digit flight numbers. Does this mean that the original UA flight has been taken over by CO, or is it that the two are merged and the only things missing are a unified FF program and the new UA livery on all of the planes?

I hate to use the word takeover of flight numbers by PMCO. They have started the process to merge the flight numbering across the combined carrier. You will see many more shifts with the fall schedule. As of now they are required to have the 'operated by' when it is not flown by UA. They do this for express and other partners.


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3207 times:

The call sign will obviously be United (duh.)

For the moment, Continental flights announce "Continental xxxx, United Colors"

NS


User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 2):
The call sign will obviously be United (duh.)

I agree that the call sign will likely be "United," but they could do what US Airways did when they merged with America West. US went with the "Catcus" call sign of America West. United could decide to use "Continental" as their call sign, or come up with something entirely different and new. Unlikely, but possible.


User currently offlinemabadia71 From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2008, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3122 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 2):
Continental flights announce "Continental xxxx, United Colors"

Not true, at least here in Costa Rica is not. Flights come as Continental xxxx, no matter the title on their aircraft, and if it's like this down here, I doubt that it's different somewhere else.



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User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Quoting mabadia71 (Reply 4):
Not true, at least here in Costa Rica is not. Flights come as Continental xxxx, no matter the title on their aircraft, and if it's like this down here, I doubt that it's different somewhere else.

One could say that it is the united folks that should be saying 'united xxxx in continental colors', but one raises another issue that some people don't like.  Wow!
Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 3):
I agree that the call sign will likely be "United," but they could do what US Airways did when they merged with America West. US went with the "Catcus" call sign of America West. United could decide to use "Continental" as their call sign, or come up with something entirely different and new. Unlikely, but possible.

Anything is always possible, but very unlikely as the US example 'cactus' is a generic name not on the side of the airplane. The continental brand will go away once they get everything completed for the merger. I would bet my house that after everything is done UCH will become UAL Corporation or some reasonable derivative of that. Heck, the UCH ticker symbol is UAL.


User currently offlineplanenut767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2452 times:

I don't know what is done by the flight crews, but I know they issued a bulletin for MX personnel who are Run Up/Taxi qualified are to say to the controller "Continental in United Livery" (or words to that effect) for any A/C that's painted with the United name on it. It will probably stop when they're all painted the same (the CO birds) or the single operating certificate goes through.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2446 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 2):
For the moment, Continental flights announce "Continental xxxx, United Colors"

That appears to be true sometimes, but not always. I was at O'Hare last week and most of the COA jets were just saying "Continental", despite having United painted on them. Then again, they really are Continental's colors, aren't they? United should be saying "Continental colors" if anything!



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User currently offlinedartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2406 times:
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Quoting N766UA (Reply 7):
That appears to be true sometimes, but not always. I was at O'Hare last week and most of the COA jets were just saying "Continental", despite having United painted on them. Then again, they really are Continental's colors, aren't they? United should be saying "Continental colors" if anything!

Exactly. And I rarely hear "In United colors" when I listen in at EWR except in the case where the ground controller is trying to point out a specific aircraft to another for the purposes of following.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2316 times:

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 5):

Anything is always possible, but very unlikely as the US example 'cactus' is a generic name not on the side of the airplane. The continental brand will go away once they get everything completed for the merger. I would bet my house that after everything is done UCH will become UAL Corporation or some reasonable derivative of that. Heck, the UCH ticker symbol is UAL.

I think that would be a little much, and rather confusing. I'd expect they would just keep the "United" callsign.



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User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 754 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2205 times:

There was a rumor (most likely wishful thinking) that the combined callsign could be "Varney" since both airlines have their roots with Walter Varney.

User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

Quoting DualQual (Reply 10):
There was a rumor (most likely wishful thinking) that the combined callsign could be "Varney" since both airlines have their roots with Walter Varney.

That is a very good idea, keep the rumor mill cranking......and if not Varney look for it to be United when all is said and done.



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User currently offlineAZNCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 7):
That appears to be true sometimes, but not always. I was at O'Hare last week and most of the COA jets were just saying "Continental", despite having United painted on them. Then again, they really are Continental's colors, aren't they? United should be saying "Continental colors" if anything!



UA/CO would be easier to identified by ATC and ramp. Even with CO bird painted with "UNITED" colors. Most can identify the different in aircrafts including the B757s and B777s.


User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 3):
I agree that the call sign will likely be "United," but they could do what US Airways did when they merged with America West. US went with the "Catcus" call sign of America West. United could decide to use "Continental" as their call sign, or come up with something entirely different and new. Unlikely, but possible.

They went with Cactus but kept the USA identifier, which drove ATC nuts because USA for years and years was USAir. After like three weeks, they went to AWE.

Because of that, I'm completely sure they will take UAL and United. Mixing and matching like US tried to do was just silly.

Quoting laxboeingman (Thread starter):

I had an IAH-PHX flight on Monday that was a four digit CO flight and a three digit UA codeshare, obviously was and always has been on CO metal. I thought it seemed strange too since codeshares are always four digits. Perhaps after the SOC the UA number will take over and they're starting to change now to reduce the workload later? That would make sense to me.



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