maiYYZ From Canada, joined Jul 2001, 34 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4511 times:
I checked here for some news regarding the unveil of the design of GRU new terminal 3, but couldn t find any topic regarding this.
Few days ago, INFRAERO, the Brazilian Government Airport Authority unveil to the media the preliminary design of the new terminal 3.
Links to others sources like Skyscraper city, FlickR and Brazilian aviation website JETSITE are below.
The new Terminal 3 look like a airplane wing, and will be bigger than both terminal I and II together. The big question now will be if in fact the new terminal will be ready by 2014, when Brazil will host the World Cup of Soccer. I just came back to Toronto from Brazil, and as a Brazilian living abroad I was unimpressed by the way GRU is crowded and inefficient. Huge customs line up, parking lot is a joke, baggage retrieval so outdated, etc. There is a huge gap to be filled and lets see if Government can deliver now.
incitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3789 posts, RR: 14 Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4361 times:
Quoting maiYYZ (Thread starter): The new Terminal 3 look like a airplane wing, and will be bigger than both terminal I and II together.
It may be bigger in square footage, but the first phase contains only 13 gates. That does not seem enough even for the current levels of traffic.
Quoting maiYYZ (Thread starter): I checked here for some news regarding the unveil of the design of GRU new terminal 3, but couldn t find any topic regarding this.
If it was a new terminal at GIG, we would have had several threads already! GRU gets no press - Paulistanos are too busy making and spending money.
PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8497 posts, RR: 42 Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4282 times:
It looks nice, but functionally it seems rather similar (ahem, the same) as the current terminals, only larger. I guess we'll have to wait for more details.
It's gonna be interesting walking from T2 to this. . walking out of the dark ages into something so bright. Or more depressingly, the other way around. .
"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
voltage From United States of America, joined May 2007, 109 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3641 times:
Quoting MorcegoA330 (Reply 5): Interesting the drawings show several QF planes.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8318 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3617 times:
Quoting robffm2 (Reply 4): At least one of the drawings show an A380. Does anybody know whether one of the 13 first phase gates will be A380 capable?
I would assume that at least one of the gates will be A380 capable. However, I think most of the gates will be utilised by TAM Boeing 77Ws and LAN Boeing 787s...
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11253 posts, RR: 63 Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3559 times:
Quoting incitatus (Reply 2): It may be bigger in square footage, but the first phase contains only 13 gates. That does not seem enough even for the current levels of traffic.
That was my first thought - Sao Paulo needs a clean sheet design to be considered within the decade, preferably now.
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6953 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3495 times:
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1): even if its not ready by 2014, at least be ready for 2016 summer games. i know it's at Rio, but probably tons would transit at GRU anyway.
Even that is doubtful. T5 at LHR took almost 6 years for the first phase and we know contruction projects in England move much faster than in Brazil.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 8): I would assume that at least one of the gates will be A380 capable. However, I think most of the gates will be utilised by TAM Boeing 77Ws and LAN Boeing 787s...
From the drawings it looks like all? gates are A380 ready. You can see 2 narrowbody planes superimposed on what appears to be an A380.
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 9): That was my first thought - Sao Paulo needs a clean sheet design to be considered within the decade, preferably now.
This is a clean sheet design is it not? There is no T3 at the moment.
I really don't see how anything other than a "finger design" would fit in GRU's available land. To me this appears to be the best design to maximize the available space. I could see T1 and T2 eventually being replaced by a terminal just like T3.
bsbisland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 347 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3289 times:
Quoting incitatus (Reply 2): If it was a new terminal at GIG, we would have had several threads already! GRU gets no press - Paulistanos are too busy making and spending money.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2352 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3124 times:
Quoting incitatus (Reply 2): It may be bigger in square footage, but the first phase contains only 13 gates. That does not seem enough even for the current levels of traffic.
The distance between the wingtips of the 747s seems to be enormous...it would seem that they could squeeze more gates in this plan. The width of the terminal itself is enormous when compared to the existing ones...overkill?
It looks like there is enough room for another Terminal 3 sized terminal to the right of this...
I assume this would be the international terminal?
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7253 posts, RR: 45 Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3098 times:
Quoting tonytifao (Reply 14):
Brazil has so much land. Get a far far away land, build a state of the art airport. Link the airport to the city with a high speed train.
Hmm, but there will always be people who need and/or want to drive to or from the airport. And it is Sao Paulo, a city infamous for the terrible traffic... the farther the airport is, the more tortuous it will be to get to or from the airport. I dunno, I am not a big fan of airports that are notoriously away from the city they serve. I was recently in Munich and flew out of MUC and the taxi ride was long and very expensive! That sucked. I love how MEX for example is within the city.
Anyway Tony, you may be quite right, it is after all a sound urban development policy to discourage drivers and provide efficient public transportation.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11253 posts, RR: 63 Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3010 times:
Quoting airbazar (Reply 10): This is a clean sheet design is it not? There is no T3 at the moment.
I really don't see how anything other than a "finger design" would fit in GRU's available land. To me this appears to be the best design to maximize the available space. I could see T1 and T2 eventually being replaced by a terminal just like T3.
It is a clean sheet design for a new terminal, but even two new terminals will not be sufficient for the kind of growth air traffic in Brazil is experiencing. My point is that Sao Paulo as a city will, perhaps sooner rather than later, have to start considering where it can site a clean sheet design for a new airport.
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6953 posts, RR: 7 Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2617 times:
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 17): It is a clean sheet design for a new terminal, but even two new terminals will not be sufficient for the kind of growth air traffic in Brazil is experiencing. My point is that Sao Paulo as a city will, perhaps sooner rather than later, have to start considering where it can site a clean sheet design for a new airport.
Fair enough, but still not a viable option. Sao Paulo is a huge city and very densely populated. A brand new airport as you suggest would be too far from the ciy. GRU is as busy as it is because it's a huge O&D market. IMHO, a more cost effective and practical alternative is to build up VCP where there's room for expansion. No need to build a new airport and all the costs associated with land aquisition and environmental studies.
Rafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1165 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2315 times:
From what I've seen on the press lately, it seems this is an outdated rendering. Current designs have less lobby space and more gates and concourse space.
tonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 967 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1849 times:
Until we get new airport leadership, Brazilian airport infrastructure will never move forward. Who understands Brazil, knows this. There is no vision, there is no desire to build new, beautiful terminals. It is very embarrassing.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11253 posts, RR: 63 Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1743 times:
Quoting airbazar (Reply 18): Fair enough, but still not a viable option. Sao Paulo is a huge city and very densely populated. A brand new airport as you suggest would be too far from the ciy. GRU is as busy as it is because it's a huge O&D market. IMHO, a more cost effective and practical alternative is to build up VCP where there's room for expansion. No need to build a new airport and all the costs associated with land aquisition and environmental studies.
I'm not quire sure I understand where you are coming from here? If you think a clean sheet design would not be a viable proposition because its location would be too far from the city, then why is VCP going to be suitable, considering it's 100km from Sao Paulo? I don't disagree that it's potentially a great site and the concept plans I've seen for VCP are very impressive; if seen through to completion it would essentially be the clean sheet design I think the city needs, similar to how SXF is becoming the new BER. Airports like HKG, BKK, PVG, etc... illustrate that distance to the city center or CBD which they serve is relative to the infrastructure connecting them. Maybe the vision/political will isn't there yet to succinctly put all the pieces together to create an integrated transport hub, but it needs to be soon with the growth in traffic or it's going to turn into one hell of a mess.
I agree. The new terminal will keep GRU going for a while, but is not a long-term solution. Airport infrastructure in Brazil is inadequate for the current and future traffic needs and needs to be brought up to level. And in the case of GRU that means a clean-sheet airport.
25 PPVRA: Partially privatized only. The idea is still on, but no news lately.
26 incitatus: First mistake was to let slums grow around GRU in land that was supposed to be used for airport expansion including a third runway. Second mistake wa
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