Triebwerk From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 126 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 11 months 8 hours ago) and read 11130 times:
I would like to know if any airline in recent history (last 30 or 40 years, say) has used space in the cargo hull (under the regular passenger seating) as passenger space. My question doesn't concern airlines that mix passenger and cargo space within the passenger cabin; I'm talking about any airline that has used part of an aircraft's cargo hull for passenger use. (For example, putting seats in part of the cargo hull of a 747 and making it a triple-decker.) .
Obviously this would pose major challenges for the airline, such as pressurization, climate control and access to the cabin (not to mention lavoratories!). Still, seeing pictures of what look like very roomy cargo bays on large a/c has gotten me thinking. If no airline has done this, do you think it would be at all feasible?
I don't think it would be feasible. In some instances, cargo is the money maker on a commercial flight not the passenger load. I always think to myself (as a joke) the airlines will eventually stop flying passengers Cargo pays better, boxes don't complain if there is a delay, don't complain about poor service etc.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 10190 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 10404 times:
Quoting aa61hvy (Reply 2): boxes don't complain if there is a delay, don't complain about poor service etc.
the owners and the consignees of the boxes do complain when delays occur.
PSA and LTU are indeed one of the few . With PSA cargo did not play a significant role and at the time LTU flew the Tristars on short haul Mediterranean services passengers were more important as well. That has changed. Leisure Cargo fills bellies of charter flights that flew empty or just loaded with baggage some years ago.
tristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4162 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10167 times:
Quoting Triebwerk (Reply 9): And something tells me that putting cargo in the L1011's "lounge" instead of lounge seats was probably more profitable
Most Tristars were delivered with a downstairs galley. British Airways removed this galley on some of their long haul Tristars and moved it up into the cabin. This meant they had to take some seats out (and the lifts), but doubled the size of the forward cargo bay. The BA Tristars had the large fwd cargo door so could carry pallets.
If the boxes of roses (or other flowers) are delayed in transit they may not complain but I guess that their buyer will be pretty sore if they turn up late and withered or dead. After all the airline cannot put them in a water to extend their life. And most passengers can survive a delay however long it might be.
tod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9749 times:
Quoting Triebwerk (Thread starter): Obviously this would pose major challenges for the airline, such as pressurization, climate control and access to the cabin (not to mention lavoratories!).
Modern airlines have pressurized cargo compartments.
Climate control is usually a purchasable option from the OEM.
Lavs are not required to be considered airworthy.
Adding stairs to access the main cabin is not uncommon (working on an A330 program the requires that right now)
The show-stopper is emergency egress.
displane From United States of America, joined May 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9065 times:
UA DC-10 30s had a lower galley accessible by an elevator. A FA would work down there and there was a seat in case of turbulence. The only partition between the galley and cargo was a steel wall and some had a door.
GingerSnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 901 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8762 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 20): The QC (quick change) ops dated back to the early 70s and Lufthansa was one of the pioneers, flying pax during the day and freight at night. They had a fleet of 727s and 737 QC
Out of interest to anyone that knows. But do LS still operate the 737QC?
I heard they were leaving the fleet soon.