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Loganair Acquires Scot Airways  
User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4030 posts, RR: 5
Posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

Interesting development - official (= non-copyrighted) Loganair press release

Loganair, Scotland’s Airline, has today announced that it is to acquire Suckling Airways, the Cambridge-based charter specialist.

Suckling is to become a wholly-owned subsidiary of Loganair upon completion of the deal at the end of this month, and will continue to trade as a separate airline which holds its own licences and approvals. It operates a fleet of five Dornier 328-100 fast turboprop aircraft on ad-hoc and contract charter flights, servicing an extensive customer base which includes high profile sports teams, political parties, blue-chip corporate clients and other airlines. The aircraft seat 31 or 32 passengers and can fly throughout Europe.

Suckling is also one of a limited number of airlines able to offer ad-hoc charter services to and from specialist airports such as London City. The company has operating and engineering bases at Cambridge, Dundee and London City, employing a total of 60 staff. No job losses are anticipated, although the two organisations will immediately commence working together to identify synergies and cost savings through joint purchasing of items such as fuel, insurance and ground handling.

Commenting on the acquisition, Loganair’s Chairman Scott Grier OBE said: “The acquisition of Suckling Airways is a major change for Loganair, but one which reflects our increasing ambition to diversify and expand our business. Today’s announcement brings a new, yet mature revenue stream from specialist charter flights into the Company. We look forward to working with Mrs Merlyn Suckling and her team to develop its exciting business over the coming months and years whilst we continue to grow Loganair’s own operations as and when opportunities arise.”

Glasgow-based Loganair was founded in 1962 and now operates a fleet of 20 aircraft and employs 440 staff throughout Scotland to deliver a network of scheduled and charter services. It operates its scheduled flights under its franchise agreement with Flybe, Europe’s largest regional airline, and has a codeshare agreement with British Airways to facilitate connections from the Highlands and Islands to London and beyond. It also undertakes charter services for a variety of clients in the oil and gas industry and sports teams, and provides contract cargo services for clients including Royal Mail and newspaper distribution groups. The company will continue to offer charter capacity using Saab 340 aircraft to serve both customer and geographical bases which complement those of Suckling Airways.

Loganair is delighted that Merlyn Suckling, Suckling Airways’ co-founder and Managing Director, has agreed to remain with the company until the end of the year. Chairman Scott Grier said:“I would like to take the opportunity to recognise and applaud the tremendous efforts which Merlyn, who founded the airline in 1986 with her late husband Roy, has made over the last 25 years to safely and successfully manage the company. Dozens of other UK airlines have come and gone in that time, and the fact that Suckling Airways has survived and prospered is a credit to Merlyn’s hard work and tenacity. I very much hope that the future progress of the airline under Loganair’s ownership will both do justice to her efforts and maintain the respect which Suckling Airways enjoys from its many loyal customers.”

Merlyn Suckling said: “I am absolutely delighted that the airline Roy and I founded in 1986 is to move to a new chapter of its development under the wing of Scotland’s airline, Loganair.



Any thoughts on
- what that will mean for the long-term future of Scot and Loganair - they both have equipment that needs to be replaced sooner or later
- why Loganair is interested in the Scot Airways operation

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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4645 times:

Interesting, I remember Scot Air when they were Suckling operating Dorner 228 out of Luton to Paris/Amsterdam.

User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

Yes, they had interesting beginnings as a true mom & pop business. Sucklings first route was Ipswich - Amsterdam - when Ipswich closed, they moved to Cambridge. Good to see that Merlyn Suckling is able to retire by selling her company.

User currently offlinejamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 554 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 1):
Interesting, I remember Scot Air when they were Suckling operating Dorner 228 out of Luton to Paris/Amsterdam.
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 2):
Yes, they had interesting beginnings as a true mom & pop business. Sucklings first route was Ipswich - Amsterdam - when Ipswich closed, they moved to Cambridge. Good to see that Merlyn Suckling is able to retire by selling her company.

+1

My first ever commercial flight was on a Do228, CBG-AMS some time in (IIRC) 1994. Grew up watching them on approach and departing from CBG from my bedroom window 

I'm intrigued to see how Loganair (and perhaps FlyBe) can make use of six Do328. Is this an acquisition for the business or for the assets?


User currently onlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3620 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 3):
of six Do328.

I know that at least to of them are for sale.



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User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2180 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

I remember the Suckling Airways Do228 aswell from back in the day, they used to be the only airline who flew to WAT on the Irish south coast from I think LTN.

User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4313 times:

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 3):
of six Do328
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 4):
I know that at least to of them are for sale.

The press release mentions five, so the sixth, if it has not been sold so far, at least is not part of the deal.


User currently offlinespeedbird9 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Thread starter):
Any thoughts on
- what that will mean for the long-term future of Scot and Loganair - they both have equipment that needs to be replaced sooner or later
- why Loganair is interested in the Scot Airways operation

Personally if i was in charge i would replace the DHC-6 & the BN-2 with C208 in a 14 pax config and
replace the Saab 340 with Dash 8-200 in 37 pax config

I would have a C208 in cargo form for Royal Mail freight

I would then use Scot Airways for Loganair Summer Charters as well as many other international routes but continue using the Dornier 328 for Charters



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User currently offlineedina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 746 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4041 times:

Quoting speedbird9 (Reply 7):
Personally if i was in charge i would replace the DHC-6 & the BN-2 with C208 in a 14 pax config

If anything LC will go with new Twin Otters from the resurrected line in Canada....the Caravan would be ideal if the CAA's regulations governing single engine commercial operations weren't so restrictive.



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User currently offlinespeedbird9 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

Quoting edina (Reply 8):
Quoting speedbird9 (Reply 7):
Personally if i was in charge i would replace the DHC-6 & the BN-2 with C208 in a 14 pax config

If anything LC will go with new Twin Otters from the resurrected line in Canada....the Caravan would be ideal if the CAA's regulations governing single engine commercial operations weren't so restrictive.
Quoting edina (Reply 8):
Quoting speedbird9 (Reply 7):
Personally if i was in charge i would replace the DHC-6 & the BN-2 with C208 in a 14 pax config

If anything LC will go with new Twin Otters from the resurrected line in Canada....the Caravan would be ideal if the CAA's regulations governing single engine commercial operations weren't so restrictive.

I completely forgot about the new DHC-6 400's

and how restrictive are the regulations? I haven't a clue about the restrictions if I'm honest



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User currently offlineedina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 746 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting speedbird9 (Reply 9):

As far as I know the CAA are totally anti single pilot, single engine commercial passenger ops. The exception being Loch Lomond Seaplanes who fly from the centre of Glasgow from the Clyde (next to the new BBC/STV buildings & Glasgow Science Centre)......they started off running a quasi scheduled service to Oban on the west coast, but had to run it on an air taxi basis, with the numbers of pax capped (if they carried over this figure in a season they couldn't fly the route any more until the next season). Security wise the service just ducked under the radar to....if the operation were any larger they would need significant investment in security facilities at both ends.

http://www.lochlomondseaplanes.com/



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User currently offlineNoelG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

I get the feeling this means Loganair are looking to expand their English routes, going further afield than Scotland. The Do328s (if they keep them) would be ideal for longer routes into England/Europe.

Suckling have done so well for themselves, I remember watching the TV documentary when they were first set up, and the owner's wife made all the sandwiches for the flights in their kitchen every night   And the bit where they were on final approach to Ipswich, and they were having a 'discussion' about what they needed to get for tea from Sainsburys on their way home  


User currently onlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3620 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 6):
The press release mentions five, so the sixth, if it has not been sold so far, at least is not part of the deal.

The company that was selling them says that two are still available..so not sure what the deal is.

http://www.theflightcompany.com/sales.php



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5763 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

Quoting speedbird9 (Reply 7):
Personally if i was in charge i would replace the DHC-6 & the BN-2 with C208 in a 14 pax config

Caravans on the beach at Barra!!! I'm not flying your airline!

Gemuser



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7693 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

Quoting speedbird9 (Reply 7):
Personally if i was in charge i would replace the DHC-6 & the BN-2 with C208 in a 14 pax config

I am not sure that there is any real alternative to the DHC-6 for the service it flies to Barra North Bay:

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Because the Twin Otter was built as a land and float plane it is much more appropriate to operate it in the salt water spray environment of North Bay Airport than to fly a Dornier into the same spray.

As to the Islander note that one of the main missions of this type in the Loganair fleet is operations for the Scottish Air Ambulance Service - see the fuselage badge aft of the cabin windows:

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The other is to operate the Orkney Island inter-island services to the likes of Papa Westray. In both cases a 14 passenger configured aircraft might prove to be uneconomic.


User currently offlineMcG1967 From UK - Scotland, joined Apr 2006, 517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2917 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 14):
As to the Islander note that one of the main missions of this type in the Loganair fleet is operations for the Scottish Air Ambulance Service

That was in the past. The Scottish Ambulance Service now have two Beech King Airs that are leased from & operated by GAMA aviation. One is based at GLA, the other ABZ. They are used for aero med flights to and from the Scottish Islands. They also have two EC-135 helicopters operated by Bond helicopters for Air Ambulance missions. One helicopter is based at Glasgow Heliport, the other INV.


User currently offlineexecjet From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2701 times:

Quoting NoelG (Reply 11):
I remember watching the TV documentary when they were first set up, and the owner's wife made all the sandwiches for the flights in their kitchen every night

I believe it was a friend rather than Merlyn herself.

My understanding is that they have seven aircraft in the fleet - so I guess that could be where the quoted figure of five comes from, if two are indeed for sale.

I read that the intention is to keep both companies relatively separate, with some synergies expected to come from fuel, handling procurement, etc. I think that CB definitely have a niche market and seem to do well with their charters for football teams, groups, etc.

A little more info here: http://business.scotsman.com/busines...ies-into-charter-market.6798466.jp

[Edited 2011-07-09 04:00:30]


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7693 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting McG1967 (Reply 15):
That was in the past.

Thanks for the uipdate.


User currently offlineMI5Flyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

Will this have any impact on the LCY-DND route? That used to be Scot Airways working for AF. I think last time it was a CityJet painted plane but I thought it was still operated by Scot Airways. I really enjoy that service and hope it continues.

User currently offlineMcG1967 From UK - Scotland, joined Apr 2006, 517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

LCY-DND is now operated by Cityjet using a F-50.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

Quoting edina (Reply 10):
Quoting speedbird9 (Reply 9):


As far as I know the CAA are totally anti single pilot, single engine commercial passenger ops.

It's also not permitted under EU rules, although it sounds like that rule may eventually change but not for at least a few more years. I don't think the current EU restriction depends on the number of pilots. It appears to relate to all single-engine commercial IFR operations. Recent relevant news item.
http://www.ainonline.com/news/single...rcial-single-engine-ifr-ops-29615/


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