KFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 36517 times:
Airline confirms it was trying to land at 3pm, so obviously EO 952. They also said that it was a 737, but my journo friend says that their English was bad and that the official didn't appear to know the difference between flight number and aircraft type.
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If it was this aircraft, this is a former DL machine and one of the last '27s to wear the Widget scheme. I hope there are more survivors recovered but I fear these stories always seem to go the same way: first, there are reports of survivors, then some doubt as to how many, and when it is all said and done there are none or very few. Let's hope that is not the case here.
sshd From Spain, joined May 2011, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 35237 times:
This is what avhreald says:
A Hewa Bora Boeing 727, flight EO-952 from Kinshana N'Djili to Kisangani (Democratic Republic of Congo) with 112 people on board, missed Kisangani's runway while attempting to land in poor weather conditions at 15:00L (14:00Z) and broke up. Emergency serivces have so far rescued 40 people alive.
Hewa Bora confirmed one of their Boeing 727s crash landed at Kisangani in bad weather, they have no information about the fate of the occupants yet.
No weather data are available for Kisangani (neither Metar nor reports of a local weatherstation).
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 11557 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 33484 times:
Very sad to hear about another acident in the Congo.
Looks like the a/c that crashed is the only 727-100 in Hewa Boras fleet, 9Q-COP. There are no photos of this aircraft although its operated for more than a year.
bralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 737 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 32519 times:
According to a statement of the Congolese government the balance is the following:
Hewa Bora itself stated that 53 people died and 57 survived with a total of 110 on board. However the Congolese government accused Hewa Bora that they underestimated the amount of casulties and released other numbers (seen above).
Hewa Bora is like all other airlines in the DRC blacklisted by the EU. Also the new subsidiary of Brussels Airlines called Korongo Airlines (ZC) is allready blacklisted even though they haven't started ops yet. The CEO of Hewa Bora who is also involved in the Congolese CAA is believed to slow down the approvals for ZC.
iakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3326 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 31334 times:
Quoting bralo20 (Reply 19): Also the new subsidiary of Brussels Airlines called Korongo Airlines (ZC) is allready blacklisted even though they haven't started ops yet.
EU black list:
All air carriers certified by the authorities with responsibility for regulatory oversight of Democratic Republic of Congo (RDC)
Who is the Regulatory Oversight Body in the DRC ?
Quoting bralo20 (Reply 19): The CEO of Hewa Bora who is also involved in the Congolese CAA is believed to slow down the approvals for ZC.
Are you sure about the first part ?
SN has played tricks to deny him entrance into the lucrative EU business (he was playing tricks as well...) recently with a 767 registered in Sao Tomé, so don't expect him to wait with flowers, a band and a red carpet, but some banana skins will do.
An airliner has ploughed into dense forest as it tried to land during a rainstorm in the Democratic Republic of Congo, killing 127 people on board, the Congolese transport ministry says.
There were 51 survivors, a ministry statement said.
The chief executive of the airline involved in the crash told Reuters earlier that there had been 110 people on board the plane, of whom 53 had died and 57 survived.
But a spokesman for the transport ministry, Gudile Bualya, accused the airline of underestimating the number of passengers.
The accident at the international airport of Kisangani, a commercial centre and river port town in the east, is the latest in a string of disasters in the vast central African country which has saddled it with one of the worst air safety records in the world.
"The pilot tried to land but apparently they didn't touch the runway," Stavros Papaioannou, chief executive of Hewa Bora airline, told Reuters by telephone.
Hewa Bora is on a European Union list of airlines banned due to security concerns, as are all carriers certified in Congo.
It is the second fatal accident involving the airline in three years, after its DC-9 airliner ploughed into a suburb of the eastern Congolese city of Goma, killing 44, in 2008.
Earlier, government spokesman Lambert Mende said rescue services had pulled 40 survivors from the Boeing 727.
Jean-Paul Bongisa, a local reporter for Congolese state television at the scene of the crash, told Reuters the rescue was being hampered by difficulties in reaching the wreckage, some 200 metres from the runway in dense equatorial forest.
Congo is roughly the same size as Western Europe but rail and road links through its jungles are few, so air and river travel are usually the only viable options for long distance journeys.
In April, 32 people were killed when a UN plane crashed as it tried to land at the airport serving Congo's capital Kinshasa. The operator of the plane was Georgian flag carrier Airzena Georgian Airways.
According to Hewa Bora's website, the airline has two Boeing 727s, both configured as passenger planes with 137 economy seats and 12 business class seats. They fly purely within Congo.
Once the world's best-selling airliner, the Boeing 727 first flew in 1963 and was designed for short- and medium-haul routes. The last aircraft was delivered in 1984.
Lightbug From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 25116 times:
Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 23): An airliner has ploughed into dense forest as it tried to land during a rainstorm in the Democratic Republic of Congo, killing 127 people on board, the Congolese transport ministry says.
There were 51 survivors, a ministry statement said.
These numbers obviously do not add up to the capacity that Hewa Bora is quoting on their website unless the plane was way overloaded (unlikely). According to their website their 727s can seat 149. I assume this is correct, and it makes sense.
I am not sure whose responsibility it should be to report casualties and survivors in crashes like these, but I assume it should be the responsibility of the transport ministry working with passenger lists provided by the airline.
My thoughts go to not only the victims of this disaster, but also family members with a loved one on that flight. It must be very disturbing for them to read so many conflicting reports stemming from the same accident. Hungry for news, many of them probably read everything that was published about this today.
: I too noticed that the numbers don't add up unless there were casualties on the ground, or an inordinately high number of infants on board, or the air
: RIP to all that perished and hope for the best for those who survived. If really there are 50 survivors, it must be a low speed crash, so crash landin
: The CBC article which is probably culled from other sources: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/07/08/congo-plane-crash.html Odd to hear the CEO
: Seems that there're no ILS for that airport but there are VOR/DME According to AIP DR Congo the airport offers a runway 13/31 with 3500 meters length,
: 149 max pax is correct and Hewa Bora, despite its weaknesses, is not overloading or overseating. No way there could have been 178 humans in the plane
: 112 pax and 6 crew (3 pilots, one engineer and surprisingly only two cabin attendants...) 74 victims so far.
: My guess is that in the Ministries haste to get the truth out, they screwed up the number. The manifest probably had 127 scheduled to be aboard, with
: Here is some crash footage of the B-727's forward fuselage and cockpit...
: I agree, the "official government numbers" just don't add up. The B-721 had 149 seats aboard, the government says 127 fatalities and 51 survivors, for
: Eastern had 149 seats in their mainline 727-200s. How could this airline get 149 seats in a 727-100? Bob Bradley
: Do we know for an absolute fact that it was the B721 and not one of the B722s?
: Avherald is stating 112 passengers and 6 crew on board, 4 crew were killed and 2 F/As survived. The Congolese Red Cross confirmed this, saying 74 bod
: The L1 door was plain white in a photo taken a week before the crash, so in that respect it does not rule out the B721. Do a Google Image search for '
: It is, I have pictures that leave no doubt, the blue VS with hba and red, yellow and blue lines is characteristic.
: Klicking on the cn link shows that the aircraft had been in a VIP configuration for many years (thus, probably low cycles), interesting that a veteran
: I think the location of the upper ATC antenna above the L-1 door is a 727-100 giveaway. That same antenna is further aft on a -200.