AF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1071 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3565 times:
After the stock markets close. This rumour is going on for weeks now. It will be bad for airline competition in Brazil if you ask me. Guess those GRU and SDU slots that WH holds are pretty valuable. I don't see another reason G3 should buy Webjet.
VC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3130 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3358 times:
What type of aircraft does webjet fly? I think all I've seen are 737's, which would be good for Gol. But how new are Webjet 737's because my impression is Gol has the most brand new, shiny clean 737's I've ever seen!
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They only fly the classics, the 737-300. G3 retired their final classic last year, so the acquisition of Webjet would mean a return of these to their fleet. Nonetheless, I can only imagine G3 will work very hard to replace those classics with new 737-800 that they have on order. G3 holds over 100 orders for the type.
Several important strategic moves have been made recently in the exciting Brasil market:
- AV expanding AV Brasil [O6]
- Azul expanding quickly, placing new orders for E-jets and the new ATR
- JJ and LA merging to form LATAM [assuming they receive regulatory authorization]
- JJ acquiring Pantanal [GP]
- JJ signing a letter of intent to acquire 31% of Trip [T4]
- G3 deciding to fully integrate and essentially discard Varig
Should G3 receive authorization to acquire Webjet, the transaction would mark one more move towards consolidation and integration of the commercial aviation sector in Brasil.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7672 posts, RR: 41
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2820 times:
Quoting pdpsol (Reply 5): JJ and LA merging to form LATAM [assuming they receive regulatory authorization]
Btw, a spokesperson of the Chilean competition authorities has indicated that a resolution should be notified to JJ and LA in August. The markets are expecting the resolution to be favorable.
Quoting jj8080 (Reply 6): G3 will pay BRL 310 million. The amount is subject to change after the due diligence.
Reuters is reporting 96 million Reais.
Quoting incitatus (Reply 8): In the long run it seems clear that Brazil will move towards three airline brands integrated with the three large global alliances.
Hmmm, well, that is assuming Avianca Brasil will eventually become a Star member, that LA-JJ will choose oneworld, and that the new Gol (Gol+Varig+Webjet) will be invited to join SkyTeam (and accept)... wouldn't Gol first have to offer premium seats in some of its routes (and I don't mean 5 inches of extra legroom using the same seats).
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LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11475 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2811 times:
Interesting. G3 puts their hands on a valuable asset that will increase their operations into GIG, offers the ability to introduce crew bases in other cities (they have a large one in Rio de Janeiro, and secondary ones in Brasilia, Belo Horizonte, Salvador, Porto Alegre and Sao Paulo), will provide sustainable gains with synergies, and the potential for use more planes.
For less than US$ 60 million in cash and US$ 130 million in debt, very cheap.
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PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11926 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2255 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9): the new Gol (Gol+Varig+Webjet) will be invited to join SkyTeam (and accept)... wouldn't Gol first have to offer premium seats in some of its routes (and I don't mean 5 inches of extra legroom using the same seats).
Using Air Europa's domestic Spanish flights as an example, I don't think it would be a problem.
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pdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2161 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9): assuming Avianca Brasil will eventually become a Star member
AV Brasil [O6] is owned by Synergy Group, controlled by the Efromovich brothers. Synergy is a major shareholder in AviancaTACA SA, which, of course, owns, TA, AV, T0, etc. etc. and is publicly-traded on Bogota exchange.
The latest statements from Efromovich claim their plan is for AviancaTACA SA to [eventually] acquire O6 from Synergy, most likely in exchange for additional equity in AviancaTACA for Synergy. Efromovich has alluded such a transaction would not violate Brasil's foreign ownership laws since the primary shareholders would, in fact, be "Brazilian". Not only are the Efromovich brothers Brazilian nationals, they are Colombian. In addition, AviancaTACA SA owns an option to acquire O6 and, in theory, could exercise that option.
Most importantly, they claim O6 will join Star Alliance, meaning AV Brasil will become an increasingly important part of the group. As everyone knows O6 is expanding quickly in Brasil.
SkyTeam is desperate for a strong partner in South America and AR just. does. not. cut. it...
G3 is their best horse in the race and a combined operation with Webjet makes them very attractive indeed. G3 and its shareholders are thrilled! They have restored their domestic market share for BRL 96 million in cash for the equity, and BRL 310 firm value.
LPSHobby From Brazil, joined May 2007, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1771 times:
Quoting incitatus (Reply 8): This is disappointing news. With the demise of Varig, GOL adapted its original mission of serving the lower end of the market into extracting large premiums in some markets. Webjet was filling it.
In the long run it seems clear that Brazil will move towards three airline brands integrated with the three large global alliances.
only 3? I can see 4, TAM, Gol, Azul and Avianca.
And fully agree about Webjet, this airline was the really true low fare airline in Brazil.
kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8708 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1448 times:
Quoting pdpsol (Reply 13): AV Brasil [O6] is owned by Synergy Group, controlled by the Efromovich brothers. Synergy is a major shareholder in AviancaTACA SA, which, of course, owns, TA, AV, T0, etc. etc. and is publicly-traded on Bogota exchange.
True, but last I saw O6 had a market share of less than 3% of the Brazilian market, given congestion at major airports it is going to be very hard for them to grow that share significantly. Having them will be better than nothing, but it will not make up for losing JJ if the LAN takeover of JJ goes ahead, as seems almost certain.
[Edited 2011-07-09 12:57:23]
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pdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1393 times:
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 18): I thought GOL already had a bigger share of the domestic market than JJ even before this transaction. Is the 44% share you have mentioned for JJ for domestic or domestic and international combined?
The 44% is for JJ domestic, May 2011:
Newer data for May 2011 shows an interesting story. According to G3's investor relations press release, domestic RPK totaled 2.239 billion for the month. Load factor was 63.2% for the month.
On the other hand, according to JJ's investor relations press release, their domestic RPK totaled 2.812 billion, or 44.4%, for the month. Load factor was 67.6% for the month.
Looks like G3 will catch up to JJ domestic once they acquire Webjet. Note yesterday's announcement only signaled the execution of a memorandum of understanding [MOU], not the execution of a definitive purchase agreement.
G3 will still need to i) negotiate and execute the definitive purchase agreement; ii) receive regulatory and other legal authorization for the agreement; iii) close the transaction; and, most difficult of all; iv) actually integrate the operations of Webjet, including the operating certificate, personnel, information systems, etc., etc., etc...
By the time G3 is finished to actually focus on its business again, JJ, Azul, AV Brasil [O6] and TRIP may have grown even further.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8991 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1307 times:
Quoting pdpsol (Reply 19): Looks like G3 will catch up to JJ domestic once they acquire Webjet.
For May, GOL and Webjet combined domestic market-share was 40.55%. For May, TAM domestic market-share was 44.43%. In 2009, TAM acquired the smaller domestic carrier Pantanal. TAM is currently in the process of negotiating the rights to purchase a stake in the domestic carrier TRIP. For May, TRIP domestic market-share was 3.05%.