FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7462 times:
I did an internship with the ATL Aviation Authority several summers ago and kept a few contacts. A friend of mine that is still there said that a group of Emirates representatives will be in Atlanta today and tomorrow touring the airport and looking over the progress of concourse F. He's VERY straight laced so he wouldn't say what the meetings with top airport executives were about but felt I would find this interesting.
Personally, I have no idea what Delta's local market is between ATL and DXB but I always found it plausible for EK to start service to the world's largest transportation hub. With F only having one (2?) A380 capable gates, if they were to begin service at some point in the future, the timing of the flight will have to be worked out with KE as they are to upgrade one of their flights to a 380 once the concourse opens.
Let the speculation commence.
[Edited 2011-07-08 10:34:23]
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FSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 625 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7412 times:
I doubt DL carries very much local traffic on this route. I bet a lot of it comes from Texas, Florida, and the West Coast. If EK entered the market, I think it would cause the DL flight to perform a lot worse, although EK would probably not carry much local traffic either (mostly ATL-India). I certainly cannot see them using anything larger than a 77W on the route. Who knows, maybe there is room for two players on ATL-DXB...
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MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15733 posts, RR: 48 Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7370 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 1): As long as DL is flying ATL-DXB, I dont think there is room for EK.
DL has the local market, and the US point of sale, and probaly most of the flow going to the major beyonds over AF/KL, so I'm not sure that leaves EK much of anything
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6780 posts, RR: 25 Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7320 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3): DL has the local market, and the US point of sale, and probaly most of the flow going to the major beyonds over AF/KL, so I'm not sure that leaves EK much of anything
They might not have trouble filling the plane, but its going to be mostly India traffic which is not high yielding.
Its the same deal EY ran into when they came to DFW a couple of years ago to look at a flight here. From what I was told (true or untrue) they would have no problems filling the plane, but it would be full of India travelers. The market is huge, but yields arent high. Its kinda the same deal in ATL.
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as739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5820 posts, RR: 23 Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7276 times:
Airline Rep's are always looking at facilities in other city's. It doesn't mean a lot. At SFO we have had V Australia, Eithad, Qatar to name a few, yet none of them serve or announced SFO.
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FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7265 times:
Quoting stylo777 (Reply 5): and what about an all-freighter service by Emirates Sky Cargo?
I need to send you a pack of Biscoff Cookies in the mail . I was going to suggest this but wanted to see who, or how long it would take for this to surface. It's very possible that we may see a freighter although i'd much rather see a 77W/L or an A380 for that matter!
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staralliance85 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7202 times:
I think Delta is begging EK to join Skyteam, since they are short of members compared to Star and Oneworld. As research shows Emirates has shown No desire to join any alliance. DL already has a flight from ATL-DXB so if Emirates is not considering joining Skyteam, I think they are wasting their time there. ATL is way too conjested as it is and Delta would do everything in their power to prevent EK in ATL, unless they are joining skyteam.
Delimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1432 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7146 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 7): I need to send you a pack of Biscoff Cookies in the mail . I was going to suggest this but wanted to see who, or how long it would take for this to surface. It's very possible that we may see a freighter although i'd much rather see a 77W/L or an A380 for that matter!
A 777F would be very nice to look at as well. A shame SkyCargo has not ordered 748s.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6364 posts, RR: 34 Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6958 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter): With F only having one (2?) A380 capable gates, if they were to begin service at some point in the future, the timing of the flight will have to be worked out with KE as they are to upgrade one of their flights to a 380 once the concourse opens.
I wouldn't assume that EK would start service to ATL with the A380; the 772LR or 773ER (or A345/A343) would certainly be a better fit initially.
MSN007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 113 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6819 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 1): As long as DL is flying ATL-DXB, I dont think there is room for EK.
Quoting FSDan (Reply 2): DL has the local market, and the US point of sale, and probaly most of the flow going to the major beyonds over AF/KL, so I'm not sure that leaves EK much of anything
I disagree I think EK will be able to offer better pricing and better equipment and also, there is some African traffic and not just India for them. ATL is third with Ethiopian population after DC and LA.
Delimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1432 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6820 times:
Quoting deltamartin (Reply 11): Quoting Delimit (Reply 9):
A shame SkyCargo has not ordered 748s
I was fairly sure they had ordered 747-8F.
I had thought they had as well, but a quick google showed nothing on their fleet page or in the order link on Wikipedia (yeah, I know...).
There are 15 for DAE, but I don't know if they are destined for EK or not.
goldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 528 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6704 times:
Quoting staralliance85 (Reply 8): I think Delta is begging EK to join Skyteam, since they are short of members compared to Star and Oneworld.
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10690 posts, RR: 100 Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6665 times:
Am I the only one who thinks EK is just checking out how someone else is setting up an A380
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 1): As long as DL is flying ATL-DXB, I dont think there is room for EK.
DL isn't going to feed the competitor's flight.
Quoting as739x (Reply 6): Airline Rep's are always looking at facilities in other city's. It doesn't mean a lot.
Very true. If DL drops ATL-DXB, I'm sure EK could make it work, but not in competition.
Skyteam isn't desperate in the mid-east; not after signing SV. Short on members? Sure. They're looking for an India partner. Another mid-east partner adds little value. We could debate the value of SV vs. EK...
But that would be academic. EK isn't going to join an alliance.
goldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 528 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6606 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 15): Another mid-east partner adds little value. We could debate the value of SV vs. EK...
In an alliance scenario, EK would subtract value. Alliances only work when the partners' interests are aligned.
staralliance85 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6522 times:
I totally disagree, if Skyteam can get their hands on Emirates, Qatar or Etihad it would be a total game changer for them. Is it likely that any of them will join them, No. But nothing is impossible in this world. Letting SV join was not a good idea at all because their quality isn't the best and does not hold a candle light to Emirates, Qatar or Etihad.
directorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1569 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6486 times:
Clearly EK is keeping their options open. EK has yet to start service to ORD, MIA, SEA, IAD, BOS but ATL is obviously on the list somewhere. I think EK shouldn't start ATL if that would jeopardize/harm DL's current service. Dubai doesn't really like to drive out competing airlines from DXB. But if EK thinks that the market is big enough to sustain two carriers, then why not? DL has the benefits of a strong customer base in the US plus the infamous ATL fortress hub. Plus I imagine the US point-of-sale is much larger than the UAE point-of-sale.
Delimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1432 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6418 times:
Quoting staralliance85 (Reply 17): I totally disagree, if Skyteam can get their hands on Emirates, Qatar or Etihad it would be a total game changer for them. Is it likely that any of them will join them, No. But nothing is impossible in this world. Letting SV join was not a good idea at all because their quality isn't the best and does not hold a candle light to Emirates, Qatar or Etihad.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6402 times:
Local market size isn't that bad, but that's also because Delta stimulated the local market by an insane amount (200%+) since starting non-stop service.
Atlanta is a good sized market to India, though, so Emirates could capitalize on that.
Still, I don't see it happening before Chicago, Dulles, Miami and Seattle.
crj200faguy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 385 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6402 times:
EK was here a few months ago hiring FAs. I was told they only come to cities they are going to fly to.
staralliance85 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6211 times:
Because the Skyteam airlines are Not as grand or competitive as Star Alliance or Oneworld member airline network. Emirates, Qatar or Etihad would really add prestige to Skyteam. For example, Singapore, Thai, and Asiana to Star and Cathay and soon Kingfisher for Oneworld. Delta/Skyteam basically have a monopoly on international flights out of ATL.
Still, I don't see it happening before Chicago, Dulles, Miami and Seattle.
Agree with Chicago and Washington Dulles before ATL. Miami and Seattle are a long shot.
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25 MAH4546: Miami and Seattle are anything but long-shots. Emirates has actually made it clear, publicly, it wants to serve both. Seattle is a good market to Ind
26 Burj: The ATL region (and the south in general) has a large South Asian (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi) population. As others have pointed out, not high yi
27 MAH4546: There is service to Dubai. It's not underserved whatsoever. Boston, Dallas, Miami and Seattle - those are underserved.
28 LAXdude1023: True, ATL's South Asian population is really large, but based on that alone doesnt require more service. The Philadelphia and Boston areas have South
29 Glareskin: Why would you say that? EK made it work in a lot of places, so why not in ATL? EK has a very attractive product for most pax. Almost excellent servic
30 DocLightning: Why do you assume it would be a 380? Might be a 77W. ATL can handle a 77W, I'm sure.
31 hohd: If EK enters the market, DL traffic would falter. EK's traffic is mostly connecting beyond DXB and also it will steal some of the ATL US connecting tr
32 FlyASAGuy2005: That was just wishful thinking on my part. Every dedicated international gate can hold up to a 744 at the moment so a 773 wouldn't be a problem. Even
33 MSN007: I see a lot of suggestion for EK to start IAD first before diving into ATL. I also red a lot of concern for Delta's flight to DXB if EK goes with the
34 The Coachman: The question is how the US connecting traffic will connect with the ATL flight? DL for all intents and purposes controls not only the ATL local marke
35 lightsaber: Not a bad scenario. I fully expect Qatar and Etihad to join alliances. IMHO, Qatar will join *A (or at least try) and Etihad will go with OneWorld. I
36 Burj: ATL service to DXB on DL is not nearly as convenient as EK as EK then offers service from DXB to many other destinations with relatively convenient c
37 oykie: This is worth following up on. There is a press release from Boeing that says Emirates Sky Cargo has ordered 10 747-8F http://www.boeing.com/news/rel
38 ag92: You keep on forgetting DL is targeting US-DXB whereas EK is targeting Asia - ATL, and I can't comment about USA but I can say that there may be a lar
39 LAXdude1023: Market size isnt the issue. There would be flights from India to Boston, Philly, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, DC, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami, and
40 Burj: If you read my post I thought I was being pretty clear.... A family in Boston could (and many do) DRIVE to NYC to catch a EK/EY/QR flight from NYC-&g
41 LAXtoATL: Last time I checked, Delta offers one-stop (if not non-stop) service to pretty much any where in Asia (and the rest of the world for that matter). De
42 LAXdude1023: And I promise EK or any middle Gulf carrier will make any decent yields with starting a flight for on that scenario.
43 FlyASAGuy2005: Exactly. AF and KLM does a pretty good job of this. Just looking at past numbers, most to all of DL's traffic ends in DXB, or at least that's what it
44 Burj: Seriously people? Why don't you all look into booking at ticket on DL-AF-KLM to either Pakistan or Bangladesh... Pakistan has a population of about 1
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DL has the local market, and the US point of sale, and probaly most of the flow going to the major beyonds over AF/KL, so I'm not sure that leaves EK much of anything
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. I was going to suggest this but wanted to see who, or how long it would take for this to surface. It's very possible that we may see a freighter although i'd much rather see a 77W/L or an A380 for that matter!
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