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TSA Agent Caught Stealing IPAD-FLL  
User currently offlineGizmoNC From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 309 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9836 times:

A CO employee witnessed a TSA agent stuffing an ipad down his pants at FLL, see link:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/07/07...loyee.theft/index.html?hpt=hp_bn12

TSA admits he stole $50,000 worth of electronics, posting and selling while working on duty for TSA.

[Edited 2011-07-09 07:18:09]

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9682 times:
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Let's hope he gets an appropriate amount of jail time. He does any airport employee anywhere a gross disservice with such conduct. Should he be guilty of the accusations, throw the book at him.


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User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9593 times:

And this surprises you because.....?


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9507 times:
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Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 2):
And this surprises you because.....?

I highly doubt that the majority of TSA employees are thieves. Granted it is not the first time we have heard this sort of thing, but still it is surely the exception rather than the rule. In any event, I don't recall reading anything about anyone being 'surprised'. The fact that the guy has been caught is certainly newsworthy.



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User currently offlinespartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9472 times:

Tell me why this should surprise anyone - the TSA is a collection of government-paid bureaucrats with marginal training, no screening, insignificant supervision, and - if we are really lucky moving forward - union protection.

Strip a grandmother, steal $50K worth of goods, stripsearch a toddler....... Welcome to the TSA.



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User currently offlinebj87 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9455 times:

Right, we have to deal with the TSA because of a few idiots actions.

Now it is time for the TSA to deal with some consequences for one of their own idiots. From now on all TSA employees should be strip searched at the end of every shift and for good measure add a rectal exam if they have a beard or look middle eastern. Just a small price to pay for the general safety of the passengers and his/her belongings of course.   


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9433 times:
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Quoting spartanmjf (Reply 4):
Tell me why this should surprise anyone

Again, who said it 'surprises' anybody? I haven't read any such thing. Conversely though, it is not an everyday occurrence, so perhaps you could better explain why it is not in our interests to read about such events?



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User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9364 times:

Next time the debate about smaller government starts, start by eliminating the TSA. That said, there are always a few bad apples in any group. It is what it is.

Sides, airline employees have been known to steal too. Anytime you have a large number of people working in any given place, you're going to have issues.

Dave



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User currently offlinespartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9346 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
perhaps you could better explain why it is not in our interests to read about such events?

It is very much in our interest to read of such events - such disclosure continues to diminish the level of credibility of a government bureaucracy which has marginal if any credibility in the first place.....



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9140 times:

Quoting bj87 (Reply 5):
From now on all TSA employees should be strip searched at the end of every shift and for good measure add a rectal exam if they have a beard or look middle eastern. Just a small price to pay for the general safety of the passengers and his/her belongings of course

     Especially TSA employees with hyphenated names because this perp has a hyphenated name.



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User currently offlineAI From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9032 times:

Quoting bj87 (Reply 5):


"Now it is time for the TSA to deal with some consequences for one of their own idiots. From now on all TSA employees should be strip searched at the end of every shift and for good measure add a rectal exam if they have a beard or look middle eastern"


It is shocking that you think it is right to discriminate & treat people differently if they have a beard or some typical ethnic appearance.
You dont know how good or bad a person is & what their intentions are just by their appearance.

AI

[Edited 2011-07-09 10:21:43]

User currently offlinecvg2lga From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8994 times:

Quoting spartanmjf (Reply 4):
Tell me why this should surprise anyone - the TSA is a collection of government-paid bureaucrats with marginal training, no screening, insignificant supervision, and - if we are really lucky moving forward - union protection.

And you know this how??


Tchau

DA-



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User currently offlinespartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8676 times:

Pick an airport - any domestic airport - and watch the employees -- these people would, by and large, not last a minute at the neighborhood McDonald's restaurant.....


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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1279 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8552 times:

I know that it is a big a.net fad to bash the TSA and its employees. True there are some real bad apples out there but you'll find that in any environment. I fly at least twice a week and honestly I find the majority of the TSA inspectors to be pretty decent. The process sucks and the fact that we have to endure that process sucks even more. I dont feel its fair though to bash the front line employees enmass because of a few bad apples and a woefully misdirected government policy.

User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5649 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7658 times:

Quoting Flaps (Reply 13):
I fly at least twice a week and honestly I find the majority of the TSA inspectors to be pretty decent.

I get screened almost every day for work, and while most of them might be cordial enough if you don't say anything, the second you challenge what they perceive to be their "authority", you get the 3rd degree.

It happened again last week, where a screener had a problem with the same backpack I put through with the same stuff in it in the exact same position for nearly 2 years now. He tried berating me for it being too cluttered, and being an employee I should "know better". When I said that nobody else has had a problem with it before, he blew a gasket and told me that I was wrong and that I needed to "help them out".

A few weeks before that an agent checked my badge, and when the line started moving again she yelled at me to get back so she could check my badge. I turned and said that she just did, and she yelled at me saying "I'm not losing my job for not making sure I check a badge." I told her if she can't remember who she checked, then she has no business being there.

I don't know exactly what they teach in training, but if I were to guess it would be more about their "authority" and how to "handle" people than to actually be vigilant and look for contraband.

Quoting Flaps (Reply 13):
I dont feel its fair though to bash the front line employees enmass because of a few bad apples and a woefully misdirected government policy.

Sorry, but the whole "following orders" defense hasn't worked since 1947. If what they're doing is wrong, and they know it, they need to quit.

[Edited 2011-07-09 14:48:01]


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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7634 times:

Quoting bj87 (Reply 5):
From now on all TSA employees should be strip searched at the end of every shift

Make them go through the naked scanners every night to check for contraband. After all, that's why they were installed for pax, not to find weapons. When the TSA talks about their "success" they always mention the contraband they find each day. Never once heard them discuss a terror attack thwarted by one of those machines...



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3356 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7410 times:

Quoting AI (Reply 10):
It is shocking that you think it is right to discriminate & treat people differently if they have a beard or some typical ethnic appearance.
You dont know how good or bad a person is & what their intentions are just by their appearance.

I think he was being sarcastic and poking fun at how passengers seem to be selected for secondary screening.

Quoting Flaps (Reply 13):
I know that it is a big a.net fad to bash the TSA and its employees. True there are some real bad apples out there but you'll find that in any environment. I fly at least twice a week and honestly I find the majority of the TSA inspectors to be pretty decent. The process sucks and the fact that we have to endure that process sucks even more. I dont feel its fair though to bash the front line employees enmass because of a few bad apples and a woefully misdirected government policy.

Agreed. Though I don't fly on a daily basis, I've gone through checkpoints up to a dozen times a day while working as an airport employee, and the current perception of the TSA has been blown significantly out of proportion by the media. That being said, occurrences like this aren't helping their case.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 16):
Make them go through the naked scanners every night to check for contraband. After all, that's why they were installed for pax, not to find weapons. When the TSA talks about their "success" they always mention the contraband they find each day. Never once heard them discuss a terror attack thwarted by one of those machines...

No, but you're constantly hearing about terror attacks thwarted by other government agencies, long before the terrorists ever enter the airport terminal. The machines are intended as the last line of defense, not as the only line.


User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

Anyone that works back of the house for an airline is not surprised at this whatsoever. This guy got caught and it made the news. There are so many more like him. So the next time you wanna blame the ramp agent, think twice because 9 times out of 10, its TSA. How do I know? Not everything gets public, that would be bad for business. These are the same people pre gov't take over. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.


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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6931 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 17):
No, but you're constantly hearing about terror attacks thwarted by other government agencies, long before the terrorists ever enter the airport terminal. The machines are intended as the last line of defense, not as the only line.

Which doesn't prove in any way that they are a useful "line of defense." Your logic is flawed.

You need to look at the results. The TSA is finding "contraband" and BRAGGING about it. These machines are obviously increasing their success at finding drugs, needles, cash, etc. But that is not what they are claimed to be installed for. Because if that were the case, they would be unconstitutional without a doubt. The only reason they are even being allowed is for "safety" but whether or not the dude next to me is carrying coke doesn't impact my safety. At least it never has been a factor in any sort of air accident that I am aware of in the USA...



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5649 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6666 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 17):
The machines are intended as the last line of defense

And they have failed. Every. Single. Time.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 19):
and we all know that there are a fair share of indecent or even criminal pilots

That's a load of bullcrap and you know it.

There's documented cases of TSA using threats and coercion to allow convicted felons to not only work for them, but forcing airports to give them a SIDA badge that, by TSA rules, they would have to deny to anyone else based on that conviction.

I DARE you to find one case of a pilot who is a convicted felon, flying for an airline. And that's without using any threats.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 20):
The TSA is finding "contraband" and BRAGGING about it.

I'm surprised they haven't been sued for that yet. Their statements indicate a secondary responsibility to search for items that don't affect the safety of flight.

Finding stuff such as drugs during an administrative search is legal, but to openly publicize it and use it to defend your presence is not. It is most definitely a breach of 4th Amendment rights, which contrary to popular belief, do not stop applying at the airport.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6520 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 19):
I DARE you to find one case of a pilot who is a convicted felon, flying for an airline. And that's without using any threats.

Well I never said convicted felon pilots, but the first thing I think of in regards to what you asked is that DL pilot in my hometown accused of domestic abuse. Well, convicted I should say. I read the reports, horrible stuff he did. I was not saying pilots on average are as bad or worse than TSA, obviously, I was saying that TSA has some bad apples, and so do pilots. Denying that? Oh, remember that DL pilot trying to run over those people in his DC-3, that child molester Mesa pilot, etc... but I'm not trying to incite an argument. I'd say reread my post (but it got deleted), all I was doing was calling out the sweeping generalization against TSA agents



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User currently offlineskyrat From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6002 times:

I love everyone that is coming down on the TSA. You really think replacing them with a cheaper, nonunion workforce is going to help? No wonder this country is going down the drain with people that think like you people! Yeah lets pay them even less and the stealing will surely go away. Pay them less and see just how friendly they get then! I just love coming on here and seeing how sad some people are. I think it's also sick that someone could support slashing another person's pay. How about we cut your pay?

Ok rant over



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23029 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5903 times:

Quoting davescj (Reply 7):
That said, there are always a few bad apples in any group. It is what it is.

   This is easily the most important point in this whole thread. You can pick any group of people you want - make it something "prestigious" like doctors or lawyers or pilots or something "menial" like TSOs or fast food workers or janitors - and you'll find thieves, child molesters and wife beaters. It's just a matter of who the media picks on.

Look, I've seen my share of rude and incompetent TSOs and I rag on TSA on this board plenty, but to pretend that this incident makes TSA somehow inferior to a private security force or to pilots or to anyone else makes no sense.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13138 posts, RR: 100
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5550 times:
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Anyone who thinks this isn't common should realize that for years there have been tips to keep the TSA from swiping stuff.

http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-cr...e-the-tsa-doesnt-swipe-your-stuff/

200 employees fired for stealing by 2008...

Or I like how if the TSA does something wrong, they threaten arrest for complaint:
http://consumerist.com/2007/10/tsa-b...top-threatens-you-with-arrest.html

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 2):
And this surprises you because.....?

  

Looking at some of the screeners at some airports, it isn't a surprise.

One nice exception was ICT.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
Conversely though, it is not an everyday occurrence, so perhaps you could better explain why it is not in our interests to read about such events?

Happens enough.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/crime/012910-stolen-laptop

The issue is common citizens cannot call the TSA on their issues. There must be a check and balance.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 16):
I think he was being sarcastic and poking fun at how passengers seem to be selected for secondary screening.

  

I notice that they 'fill in the statistical gaps' when no young women are going through, but given a chance I've seen the TSA will preferentially scan the pretty women.  
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 19):
And they have failed. Every. Single. Time.

  

Quoting skyrat (Reply 21):
I love everyone that is coming down on the TSA. You really think replacing them with a cheaper, nonunion workforce is going to help?

At least it would be easier to investigate the screeners. I know the delays are far longer and for what?

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
but to pretend that this incident makes TSA somehow inferior to a private security force

In my opinion the prior screeners at LAX did a superior job. Yea... many of the same people. Funny how giving them a job for life helps their productivity...

The way the TSA is set up makes it certain they will have both low productivity and high customer hassle. I understand the need to screen, but the rules have become so inconvenient.


In 2006 congress looked into this and just didn't find a cost effective solution:
http://current.newsweek.com/budgettr...tems_stolen_from_checked_bags.html

There need to be more checks. The question is how to do this economically. I believe the only way is to film the inspections. Make it a crime to open a bag outside of public or filmed areas and allow other airport employees to call the TSA on their actions. No system is perfect. But the TSA could be far better.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13116 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5401 times:

On a recent flight JFK to Moscow, a pilot had in his checked bag a number of i-Pads and somehow despite wrapping the bag in plastic, somehow those i-Pads got 'removed', most likely at JFK. There is a serious investigation going on and TSA agents who examine checked bags are believed to be involved. The pilot was apparently looking to make some Rubles back home in Russia as i-Pads go for 2 times the price in the USA.

There does need to be some serious improvements at security checkpoints to make sure people can stay close to their stuff and not allow for time for others pax or bad TSA agents from stealing.


25 mcdu : I think there is enough evidence from the NUMEROUS TSA cases of improprieties to "come down" on the TSA. This entire group that features the speed of
26 Cubsrule : . . . and the current private screeners at places like SFO and MCI also do a good job. But theft isn't what differentiates them. I'm sure there are t
27 GeorgiaAME : THANK YOU! Excuse me, we aren't talking about "the majority" The fact is, there are a hell of a lot of them out there, and this is hardly an isolated
28 BMI727 : It doesn't. Every time I go to an airport it looks as if the TSA concentrates their recruiting efforts on trailer parks.
29 soon7x7 : When the US Military returns home...give them jobs as airport security...after all...who better to identify the bad guys and their behavior and disban
30 BCEaglesCO757 : Good job by the employee. I'm not naive enought to think airline employees don't steal,but I've long suspected many TSA employees of stealing. I mean
31 Flaps : I like that idea. There arent any jobs for the returning servicemen anyway. This would give them gainful employment and lend considerable credibility
32 Maverick623 : Uh, yea. There's statistical evidence to prove that private screeners are by far more effective at their job than the TSA. I couldn't care less if th
33 OA260 : Thats a very good idea. Certainly makes sense. When going through security anywhere I always wait with my things until I see them going through the s
34 PurdueAv2003 : Here is my biggest argument for having private security instead of the TSA. The TSA has NO accountability. The screeners can be demanding and rude to
35 ikramerica : I do as well. I never let them go through beforehand or after me. I see them go in, and see them coming out the other side towards me.
36 Post contains images bj87 : O god give me strength. I was referring to the general consensus that the TSA and other such agencies around the world have. I never claimed it is ri
37 RussianJet : I am sure it does, I alluded as much in terms of it certainly not being the first time we've heard such things (nice bit of British understatement fo
38 phatfarmlines : The CO employee was probably observing TSA due to a high theft rate of CO baggage @ FLL, and CO having to pay out sums of money to its customers. The
39 Cubsrule : But again, what does that have to do with theft? If private security did better in every metric but they stole more than TSA, which would be superior
40 usa330300 : You cannot be serious? TSA agents are at the bottom of the food chain right there with single women having six kids, people buying Coke and Doritos w
41 AADC10 : The real problem with the TSA is that the frontline screening job is only slightly better than working at Wal-Mart or McDonald's. You might as well s
42 jwenting : of course. That's what they're there for. The "security" thing is just an excuse for imposing restrictions on people (freedom of movement, freedom of
43 Maverick623 : Private security.... because they can be replaced with another company if they don't perform up to snuff. TSA has the full weight of the Feds behind
44 Post contains links BCEaglesCO757 : They can find your IPAD but none of these guys can pass the numerous dry runs of 'bombs' that are send through checkpoints from time to time. http://w
45 rwy04lga : Didn't work too well back IN 1947, either!
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