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User currently offlineBigmikenice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1071 times:

Press Release...read on
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CHICAGO, July 13 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines today announced that it will begin daily nonstop service from Washington Dulles to Oakland International Airport. The new flights start on October 31, 2001 and will be flown on Airbus A320 aircraft. The addition expands United's reach to the West Coast and make it the only airline that flies nonstop from Washington to all three San Francisco Bay area airports.

``We are excited to be able to offer the most comprehensive service between Washington and the Bay Area,'' said Chris Bowers, United Airlines' senior vice president-North America. ``With this expanded offering, United travelers will have added flexibility and choice.''

United flight UA 441 will depart Washington Dulles at 5:30 p.m. and arrive in Oakland at 8:28 p.m. The return flight, UA 440, will depart Oakland at 8:30 a.m. and arrive in Washington at 4:28 p.m. The planned flying time from Washington to Oakland will be about 5 hours and 58 minutes.

The Airbus A320 aircraft on this route will be configured with 12 seats in United First, 36 seats in United Economy Plus, and 126 seats in United Economy.
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Did anyone count how many seats are packed into that A320? I came up with 174 which is more than DL shuttle's 738 in all-Y and certainly more than most A320s like NW and US i see configured for about 150 seats. This is on the 757-level. A typo? Or do those coach pax have to look forward to 6 hours of cramps and live-threathening circulatory problems?

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User currently offlineSJC>SFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1004 times:

I suspect that the 126 is inclusive of the 36 EconPlus. Making the total seats 126+12= 138. Sounds about right. This is bad news for jet blue. United has a clear advantage here with so much connecting traffic through Dulles.

User currently offlineAspen1 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 995 times:

United's a320-200 has 12 in first class and 126 in economy with 138 in total. United's 757-200 has 174 seats.

User currently offlineArch89U From United States of America, joined May 2001, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 967 times:

A direct challenge to jetBlue. Hopefully jetBlue can woo the fliers away from United, and do well on this route.

Arch89U


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 962 times:

JetBlue can take the bottom-feeder flyers. Let united fill the plane with connecting folk and decent yield passengers.

B6 vs UA.. lets see.. potato chips vs a meal.... 31" seat pitch versus 36" in United, and zilch vs United Mileage Plus...

if you were a last minute traveler, who would you pick?

Nate


User currently offlineBigmikenice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 947 times:

If i was a last minute traveler I would pick jetBlue. Obviously that's the reason behind it's whole existance, is cheap walk-up fares and cheap adv purchase fares. UA would charge DOUGH for a last minute transcon.

If I booked it 1 month in advance then I might think otherwise.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6794 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 946 times:

Well, if I were a last-minute traveler, it depends on other things as well - whether or not I'm paying for the ticket myself, whether or not UA decides to match B6's walk-up fare on IAD-OAK, and whether or not the Economy Plus seats are already taken when I walk up to the counter.

If I'm not paying for the ticket, do I get any brownie points with the company for saving them money by flying jetBlue? Do I take the entertainment offered by the TV? Or do I figure a delicious UAL meal is more to my liking.


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 927 times:

So far it looks like UA is playing fair....matching JetBlue's one flight with one flight on the same type of a/c, tho with fewer seats since UA is essentially three class. I'll check the website for fares...matching isn't predatory in economy but it would be in EP or first. DOJ should keep a close watch in any event.

SJC-SFO is correct, that's probably a typo on seat size. 138 sounds about right for an A320 with First, Econ Plus, and Econ configuration.

A month in advance *or* last minute I'd fly JetBlue. Reformers should be rewarded, and fliers tell me JetBlue a/c have plenty of seat pitch and are comfortable. I'd get a $5 McDonald's value meal at Dulles before takeoff and enjoy a lower fare.

Jim



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User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 922 times:

Jim, it is 31" and you also have no legroom if you are in the middle seat, as the PTV console is located under that seat.

nate


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 902 times:

Did I miss something? Is Jet Blue flying from Dulles to Oakland? Why is this seen as competition? United is filling its planes very well from San Jose and, of course, San Francisco to Dulles. Oakland is just one more convenient service to its customers. Jet Blue and United fill different roles and cater to different passangers. United's advantage is it's Dulles hub to Europe and South America. Flying to NYC, fly Jet Blue. Flying anywhere else, fly United.

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11436 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 883 times:

Not to mention that I've noticed since moving out here, many people find OAK more convenient. SFO is on the wrong side of the Peninsula for a great number of people in the SF-Bay Area, and SJC is just too hard to get in and out of now.




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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 863 times:

Tell me about it, DLX...when I flew out of SJC last year, we sat in the airport road traffic for 25 minutes before reaching the terminal. Had great views of the 777 from NRT unloading onto the tarmac, but was anxious about my flight. I made it....my friends are locals and got me there in time to allow for the traffic.

I'll have to take a tape measure on my next US Airways flight....I'd be very surprised if the seat pitch is more than 31," and at 5'11.5" and 195 lb. I fit just fine.

Jim




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User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 859 times:

why is that flight 5hr 58min when the flightfrom sfo is opnly 5 hr 10 min? any enlightentment is welcomed.

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11436 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 851 times:

The OAK-IAD flight is 4hr 58 min.


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User currently offlineCo/ba From United States of America, joined May 2001, 399 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 834 times:

I can't wait to see this. I thought that it would have been a great chance for B6 to come to IAD with the OAK and LGB routes obviously UA isn't going to let it be to easy. I don't know about the JFK flts planed for the following year. UA is the only carrier serving JFK from IAD and they are only running J-41's and 1 CRJ(not sure). I think things are going to get real interesting at IAD.



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User currently offlineHighflyer16 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 819 times:

I'm having a hard time understanding how United and Jet Blue are competing on the Oakland-Dulles route. I checked OAG online, and there are supposedly no direct flights from OAK to IAD until United starts its flights.

Jetblue flies from Oakland only to JFK in New York according to their most recent timetable.

So United would have no competition on this route unless Jet Blue decides to start competing with them.


User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 822 times:

JetBlue announced both Oakland and Long Beach from IAD.

Lately IAD's had a lot of schedule additions announced recently - AA with 5 flights to O'Hare in October, JetBlue also in October, Air Jamaica in November, ACA to Cincinnati. Mesa cancelled their plans for service to Cincinnati, but we're still up five airlines since the first of the year. However, I heard rumors Sabena's cropping service.


User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 817 times:

ok. Thanks. Who else besides JB had east coast flights?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33054 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 813 times:

Biocoastal, UA does not have a Latin American hub at IAD. MIA is thier Latin hub.



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