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Alaska Expansion Potential?  
User currently offlinecloudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 837 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8206 times:

For East Coast flyers, there are a lot fewer choices out there. Three mergers (UA/CO, DL/NW, WN/FL) have decreased offerings, American seems stagnant at best and unwilling to go after new business, and JetBlue seems to have become stuck on the vacation travelers. Does this give Alaska, as one of the more successful domestic airlines, a chance to get a good foothold in the eastern part of the country? They already serve some locations, but they only serve Seattle. What if Alaska were to open a hub in the east? This would give them new feeds into their network and allow them to grow. It would provide a realistic option for frequent flyers who want a full service airline that offers first class, but don't have to be part of some huge airline conglomerate where there are so many frequent flyers already no one is really truly more frequent than the others.


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User currently offlinebavair From Germany, joined Jul 2011, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8192 times:

This might be far fetched and only viable looking into the rather distant future, but could Alaska make use of their locations in the north-west as a hub for long-haul travel? I know they wouldn´t be anywhere near the size of what Emirates has in DXB, however they could use their Hubs for some long-haul travel to Asia.
I know this is very far fetched and would probably never happen as well though.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8160 times:

While it's fun to think of expansion scenarios for AS, overall it's too large of a risk for too little reward. The Alaska brand is strong throughout the West Coast, but beyond that it's not very well recognized and would likely have a lot of trouble competiting on the East Coast or in Europe or Asia. This is where codeshares become important for the airline. Overall, everything is working very well as is, so there isn't a whole lot of reason to upset that balance.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8140 times:

PHX would a great place for AS to set up a second large hub to compliment SEA.


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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8084 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
PHX would a great place for AS to set up a second large hub to compliment SEA.

While not a large hub...they did have a pretty decent operation in PHX as recently as the early 00s...offering connections from several western cities to a handful of Mexican destinations. Only way I could see a large PHX push now is if WN draws down siginificantly or US goes bust....neither likely at this point.


User currently offlinePacificF27 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7949 times:
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It would make more sense for Alaska to shore up the West with a hub in the Southwest--say San Antonio-- than going too far East. San Antonio is looking for additional carriers, has a newly expanded terminal and could easily feed Alaska's Mexico destinations. A second--smaller-- hub to complement Seattle.


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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7933 times:

I just don't see how they can set up a hub anywhere in southwest, midwest, or east. Most of their market is to and from SEA and PDX.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

Quoting cloudboy (Thread starter):
Does this give Alaska, as one of the more successful domestic airlines, a chance to get a good foothold in the eastern part of the country?

I think that trying to set up a major hub elsewhere to increase reach is a big risk for Alaska. I think that as far as route development goes, they might try to aim for becoming something like a West Coast JetBlue (if you ignore LGB) flying up and down the West Coast, transcons, and to Mexico and Hawaii.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7809 times:

Why set up a second hub when they can just pin a flight number to existing DL service?

How many more cities in the East could AS realistically serve that they currently don't? More than likely, any further service east of the Rockies may be from PDX to existing AS cities.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5155 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7772 times:

Where could they go without stepping on the toes of partners AA and DL? Anything east of SLC and they start overflying their hubs and would then be seen as more foe than friend.

AS has been beefing up SJC at bit in recent years, so there are some opportunities without ticking off AA/DL too much.

SMF? RNO? They'll still be boxed in on the west coast unless they're willing to throw caution to the wind and hope say, a COS hub (for example) isn't seen as a threat to SLC/MSP/DFW.



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7701 times:

I would think that PIT, STL, CLE, CVG, MEM and RDU are just be few of the airports that would really be ever so gracious if AS chose them for an eastern hub........  

User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7666 times:

If the new WN gives up MKE - SEA, I would like to see Alaska pick up the route if only a seasonal 9 months out of the year route.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7656 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 10):

I would think that PIT, STL, CLE, CVG, MEM and RDU are just be few of the airports that would really be ever so gracious if AS chose them for an eastern hub........

Sounds like a good deal except for the slight detail of there not being a large enough market in those places.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7642 times:

I don't think AS sees the need for an eastern hub. They are very successful at what they do. To just go ahead and open up a hub in an eastern city would probably result in lots of $$$ being lost. I can see AS add a few more cities in the eastern portion of the U.S, but to SEA only. Every airline doesn't have to be everything to everyone.

User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7513 times:
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If we see any expansion at AS, it will be either increased Hawaii, Mexico and maybe some additional flights to their existing east-coast cities. But with the limited aircraft resources they have now, nothing big will happen. I think we might some small increases in the seats between SEA and the east-coast and midwest cities when the 739-ER's come on line.

User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7226 times:

Right now they seem to be focusing on Hawaii and adding east coast markets from SEA and PDX. There's still room to keep adding from those cities for a while longer. A more interesting idea to me is to try ANC as an international gateway again to secondary destinations in Asia. I wonder if any of the Russian destinations that were previously served might be viable now. Another interesting one would be a 73G to Sapporo. As long as the flights are timed for connections to SEA, LAX, ORD, and PDX they might be able to make that work. Maybe add an ANC-SFO to help feed the flights. I wonder just how far you could stretch the 73G into Asia from ANC and still carry a full cabin, with bags and cargo? SDJ? HRB?


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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
Quoting point2point (Reply 10):

I would think that PIT, STL, CLE, CVG, MEM and RDU are just be few of the airports that would really be ever so gracious if AS chose them for an eastern hub........

Sounds like a good deal except for the slight detail of there not being a large enough market in those places.

Ugh... details, details.....  
Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 15):
Right now they seem to be focusing on Hawaii and adding east coast markets from SEA and PDX.
Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 15):
A more interesting idea to me is to try ANC

If AS expands, wouldn't ANC be sort of a logical place to start? I believe that they fly all year to SEA, PDX and ORD along with Hawaii, and seasonally to SFO, LAX, DEN. Wouldn't there be a few more cities that ANC would be able to serve successfully, at least during peak season? Or maybe a couple of destinations from FAI?


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7179 times:
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Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 15):
Right now they seem to be focusing on Hawaii and adding east coast markets from SEA and PDX. There's still room to keep adding from those cities for a while longer. A more interesting idea to me is to try ANC as an international gateway again to secondary destinations in Asia. I wonder if any of the Russian destinations that were previously served might be viable now. Another interesting one would be a 73G to Sapporo. As long as the flights are timed for connections to SEA, LAX, ORD, and PDX they might be able to make that work. Maybe add an ANC-SFO to help feed the flights. I wonder just how far you could stretch the 73G into Asia from ANC and still carry a full cabin, with bags and cargo? SDJ? HRB?

I would love to see AS restart some of the Russian Far East service. AS has the aircraft much more suitable for the distance than before. I think Vladavia wants to restart ANC-Petropavlovsk/Kamchatskiy-Vladivostok using A320 or Tu-204-300 aircraft.


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7121 times:

Outside of fantasy, I don't see AS having too many eastern expansion opportunities. At this point in time, every city on the east coast would offer intense competition with AA, B6, US, UA, or DL. At the very least, they should have looked into buying out HP before the US merger. They could have dominated the entire western US. Instead now they're pigeon-holed in the northwest.

Outside of a merger with B6, NK, or VX, I see no real hope of expansion for AS.

Quoting point2point (Reply 10):
I would think that PIT, STL, CLE, CVG, MEM and RDU

Sure if they like burning money just for the fun of it. There is way too much competition from US and DL.

Quoting Airport (Reply 2):
The Alaska brand is strong throughout the West Coast, but beyond that it's not very well recognized

I never bought that argument. With effective marketing, I don't see that as a real barrier to building a hub.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6858 times:
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Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 18):
Outside of fantasy, I don't see AS having too many eastern expansion opportunities. At this point in time, every city on the east coast would offer intense competition with AA, B6, US, UA, or DL. At the very least, they should have looked into buying out HP before the US merger. They could have dominated the entire western US. Instead now they're pigeon-holed in the northwest.

I tend to agree. If AS were to open a new east coast city, it would probably be PHL. Otherwise, any expansion to the East Coast would be adding flights to existing markets or using large airplanes, i.e. the 739-ER's when they finally take delivery.

I think the same sort of scenario goes for AS routes to the Midwest... Add to existing routes. Maybe cities like SAT, COS or even ABQ could be contenders, but not for a long time. If Boeing was a significant influence, like SEA-STL, then maybe SEA-ICT using a 73G X67, but I'll believe that when I see it.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6774 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 18):
I see no real hope of expansion for AS.

And as long as they're making record profits, that's a bad thing because.....?

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 18):
I never bought that argument. With effective marketing, I don't see that as a real barrier to building a hub.

It's already very difficult to market AS to Mexico and Hawaii, but they've been successful due to a very creative marketing team. The thing that's kept it afloat is that AS has made it clear that it's a West Coast airline, not limited to the State of Alaska, and that the state is, by public perception, "close" to SEA, PDX, LAX and the Bay Area. In addition, AS in the grand scheme of things doesn't really have a lot of flights to Hawaii and Mexico compared to the amount of flights a successful major hub would require.

Let's pretend for a moment that Alaska suddenly decides to open up a hub in Pittsburgh. How would they even attempt to market that? For one, the AS brand has absolutely zero recognition in Pittsburgh, which that alone would be a major problem when competing against the likes of Southwest and US Airways. Secondly, not only does AS have to develop a strong recognition in Pittsburgh, it must also develop a strong recognition to all of the spoke cities as well. Passengers who need to fly from Louisville to Pittsburgh? Considering AS has no brand recognition in Louisville either, how or why would a passenger in Louisville who has never heard of Alaska Airlines suddenly decide to look on alaskaair.com for SDF-PIT flights?

So now AS has to broadcast commercials and usher in a major eastern US "New hub in Pittsburgh* of all places" marketing campaign that would cost a lot of money... and for what? A hub in Pittsburgh or another eastern destination? Considering AS is making over a 15% ROIC, what is there on the East Coast that is worth risking such a successful business? There aren't really any cash-cow markets that are begging for a hub, so going back to my original point, it's far too great a risk for too little reward. I would say it's more likely that Alaska would change its name/logo, or that Alaska would merge with Delta (and I don't think that's happening anytime soon, if ever) than they would open up a hub in the eastern US.

That's just one reason, another reason is because focusing on an Central-Eastern hub would not only be expensive, it would also be a needless distraction to their operations in Alaska/Hawaii/Mexico/West Coast. AS has survived exactly because they are not large and conservative in growth -- that allows them to be focused, nimble and able to quickly react to the huge levels of constantly-changing competition.

*Not saying Pittsburgh is a bad place or can't support a hub... just it doesn't make sense for AS to open a hub far outside their target region.

Sorry for the novel of a post. My point in summary is that not only does it not make sense now to open an Eastern hub, it has never in the history of the airline made sense ever.

[Edited 2011-07-10 09:30:14]

User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6709 times:
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...Plus they don't have the aircraft to start a new hub. AS would have to significantly reduce their currently profitable routes to entertain a new hub, or grab 2nd-hand airplanes from the desert. With record profits in a slumping economy and record fuel costs, I think Alaska's business case is doing just fine.

User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6614 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 10):

Please, please tell me how you could see AS making a hub in these city's? An airline with less then 150 airplanes and code-shares with DL who has multiple eastern hubs.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):

PHX was tinkered with. It won't happen. They were serving Mexico, YVR from PHX but anything domestically is met head on with WN/US. And though they have been very successful in many markets against these 2, this was from AS dominate city's.



Quoting cloudboy (Thread starter):

Cloud, to answer your question. Personally I would not look for a new AS hub. They have shown no indications they are thinking of it. AS has a good thing going right now and looks to continue to build on it's current strengths.



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6428 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 22):
Please, please tell me how you could see AS making a hub in these city's?

  

Get it?  


User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6059 times:

I'll throw this out there, but I'm not sold on this yet myself, but the only option I see as making any sort of sense for Alaska would be to buy SY and grow out of MSP. Of course you still have a major problem of marketing, but it gets them a stronger presence in a somewhat established market (if you consider 3-4 years in a market established).

However that said, I don't see them wanting to rock the boat too much with Delta, nor does the high amount of seasonal flying SY has, really fit into the AS model.

Ultimately I ask myself, why? Why the need to open another hub, especially in a market they have little or no brand awareness? Why not try to grow this more organically? Using MSP only as an example, I'd think AS would be more succesful trying to grow slowly, by adding flights from say SJC, LAX, PDX, ANC, etc. I personally would rather see AS grow by adding more destinations to places as CLT, RDU, MEM, BNA, MSY, SLC, PHL, MCI, MKE from SEA or PDX.


25 Lambertman : I know you're just throwing this out there, so I'm not bashing you, but Sun Country isn't that valuable and Minneapolis would be a blood bath. Delta
26 SASMD82 : Would ANC be a perfect base for connections to NRT/ICN/KIX/BJS/PVG? Does the 739 has the legs for such a trip? (btw: I would not not select a narrow b
27 USAirALB : ANC-NRT is 2984 NM. The range for a 73G is 3365, and thats cutting it close. AS would need 757s.
28 keagkid101 : BWI wouldn't mind having year-round service to SEA and PDX (which currently no carrier serves non-stop seasonal or year-round).
29 hatbutton : The next likely focus will continue to be the Bay Area. AS recently launched a credit card promotion in the Bay Area similar to what they did in PDX a
30 coffeepilot : Yeah, I feel the same way. AS is getting about 20 more aircraft over the next year and although some are going to replace some of the older fleet mode
31 wedgetail737 : I think the only benefit AS would get out of buying SY is the additional airplanes for its existing network (remember the absorption of Jet America)
32 Byrdluvs747 : The most effective method would be to simply start PIT routes to AS hubs and focus cities at competitive pricing. Pricing via Orbitz, Kayak, etc is t
33 hatbutton : It's possible. But SJC-AUS didn't work even without WN. So perhaps it's just not a great market. I also don't think the loss of BOI/GEG to SJC is a h
34 breaker1011 : 20 years ago, who'd have thought Southwest would be what it is today, all over the east coast, now at LGA, and one of the top carriers in Florida. Th
35 tomassjc : SJC-AUS wasn't really a failure. Planning felt that the equipment was "better used" to operate higher yielding routes to the Islands. Before SJC-AUS
36 tomassjc : Still twice a day!
37 Gunsontheroof : AS hasn't gotten to where they are by making big, costly adjustments to their route structure. They've been among the most cautious carriers in the co
38 Post contains images seabosdca : This is why their best approach is to focus on logical, thought-through expansion from the existing West Coast cities where they have a strong footho
39 wedgetail737 : I stand corrected on the SJC-BOI flights. When I booked some of the flights between SEA and SMF for business, I can't connect at SJC (something I lik
40 hatbutton : I think any expansion out of the Bay will likely come from SJC. There's no need to fight UA/VX in SFO where delays are constant. And ticket fares out
41 Post contains images tomassjc : Yes, the early morning SEA-SJC misses the SMF departure now by a few minutes. True, but with 5 RONS and only 4 gates, one aircraft is towed off and b
42 mikesairways : Where is B6 going to go? They are using A5 and I think UA/CO uses A4 sometimes too? A1-A5 are perfect for AS! A1 Makes a great gate for the Q400. Is
43 cloudboy : The problem is there just isn't enough passengers to really grow on the west coast. You might be able to pick up some trans-continental flying by grow
44 mikesairways : Well, AA has been pretty consistent with their West Coast "swallowing" as we've seen with OC (AirCal) and QQ (Reno Air) which were pretty decent oper
45 seabosdca : My feeling is that no one will be fighting VX much longer. The factors at SFO are WN, UA, and delays.
46 Post contains images SASMD82 : What about AS making ANC as a 'cheap' alternative for flights to East Asia. The B737-900 is able to make this range I guess. Just an idea of course!
47 rgreenftm : If Alaska is trying to attain a 10% ROIC (I think someone else mentioned that earlier), I'm not sure East Asia is the ticket to achieving that. Addit
48 Post contains images SASMD82 : Icelandair promoted (and still does) itseld in Europe being the cheap alternative for flights to the US and Canada. So it was actually just a suggest
49 Byrdluvs747 : The real problem with that is all the double connections that would be involved in using ANC as a hub. Anyone from someplace other than SEA, LAX, ORD
50 tomassjc : B6 will go to A8. I'll have to check, I rarely venture north of A15-16! AS does not depend on the DL/AA partnerships for survival! If fact it is just
51 BoeingGuy : Hi Tom, nice meeting you at SJC last week and this morning. I sure hope AS doesn't go to A1-5 as I don't believe it's nearly as nice of a terminal as
52 wedgetail737 : As much as I would like to see AS expand SJC this much, I don't think it'll happen. I think we'll see more AS to Hawaii and maybe some more midwest a
53 Tomassjc : Nice to meet you too BoeingGuy! Hope you enjoyed your ride home. While the B terminal is beautiful, it doesn't allow AS much room to expand. Security
54 EA CO AS : While AS doesn't depend on the DL/AA codeshares for survival, they bring a TON of money to the table.
55 Post contains images breaker1011 : For a couple of decades now, AS has been code-sharing, co-marketing, and co-selling with AA, DL and others in SEA. Just sayin.
56 GentFromAlaska : Concur. IMO STL would be the perfect focus city for AS. Middle America and a gateway to the Mexican Gulf coast
57 wedgetail737 : Keep in mind that AS supplements (or competes) other airlines' routes like SEA-HNL, SEA-MSP, SEA-ORD and SEA-DFW, why not SEA-JFK? I'm still a big ad
58 Post contains images EA CO AS : It has been suggested, frequently and loudly. Not enough demand to justify a 2nd daily frequency just yet, but that's what the 739ER order is for - t
59 PlanesNTrains : [quote=Byrdluvs747,reply=18]At the very least, they should have looked into buying out HP before the US merger. They could have dominated the entire w
60 EA CO AS : Interestingly, back when Gregg Saretsky was still EVP of Marketing and Planning he'd made several comments at our divisional meeting that he "wished
61 SANFan : I know it's a wish list (and I've certainly got one of those too -- for a different airport of course) but I don't see SJC as a focus for AS, present
62 PlanesNTrains : Well, organic growth versus an acquision of HP would be very different, and much more targeted. Not sure what he had in mind, but I guess it'll be le
63 wedgetail737 : Wasn't it the other way around? Didn't HP buy US so they can get the hubs at PHL and CLT?
64 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Sorry, what I meant to say is: "All HP would have brought to an Alaska merger was..." It was late. -Dave
65 Post contains images malaysia : I think AS should start its own Narita at KHV That would be a blast just flying to practically maybe every major Chinese city from Anchorage The deman
66 BoeingGuy : On a more serious note, I wonder if the Russian economy would ever be such that AS would re-start their previous Russian routes. They certainly have
67 HPRamper : I think what wedgetail was getting at was that AS flying to JFK would enable one-stop connectivity to international flying whereas now, their flights
68 malaysia : Well AS has 73G that can go farther than the original Far East Cities they flew to in the past. KHV and VVO are a larger population base and a transi
69 pylon101 : Maybe the time has come to try the Russian Far East again. It means not only Khabarovsk and Vladivostok - but the whole region east of Krasnoyarsk (E
70 Post contains images HiFlyerAS : My first post at airliners after lurking a very long time! Unfortunately none of the a/c in the current fleet or on order (the -900ER will be the new
71 BoeingGuy : Does AS really want to get out of its niche and become an internatinal carrier with airplanes the size of the 787-8 (not -800)? Interesting propositi
72 Post contains images seabosdca : Good for AS (their upcoming 739ERs will work far better in that role) but too bad for us. Imagine how great 2005-vintage 757s with winglets would loo
73 Post contains images HiFlyerAS : I could see back in the day that moving from the 727-200 to the 757 would have been a bit scary for them to visualize. But boy, if they'd taken the l
74 BoeingGuy : Interesting drawing. What's the story behind that? What route would it have flown? Remember that back in that day, SEA was the only place in the lowe
75 HiFlyerAS : This would have been back in the days of airline president Charlie Willis, one of the more 'colorful' characters in AS history. I'm sure it was all a
76 BoeingGuy : On a related note to AS expansion (or reinstating routes, in this case) did I hear that WN is dropping SJC-AUS? They just started it. Another AS emplo
77 BMI727 : The smallish local market and significant WN presence makes that an uphill battle at best. Maybe they could add a second flight to Seattle at least s
78 Airport : Not only was it seriously considered, AS did place an order for 1 Boeing 747-100, and that drawing is the official Boeing artist rendering (back befo
79 Post contains links and images EA CO AS : No winglets, but it would have looked something like this...
80 PlanesNTrains : Snap, crackle, AND - pop! That would have looked sweet. However, I am glad they went the route they did. The 737 seems to be the right airframe for t
81 flyguy89 : I think PDX-CVG could be a possibility with AS. Although DL dropped the route, there is still a decent amount of O&D traffic on the route (north o
82 jackhi : AS cancelled and the aircraft was picked up by BN and it became BN's only 747 before deregulation flying daily between DAL & HNL. The orange pump
83 jackhi : You are indeed correct, but the bar was to be upstairs, complete with a player piano.
84 malaysia : But I meant something closer and secondary like CTS, it seems very close to UUS that AS once served
85 SANFan : Best check those figures again 'guy. Better yet, here you go: for 3Q10, DOT reports TOTAL O&D on the route was 137pax/day and in the 4th quarter,
86 flyguy89 : I do confuse passengers daily each way and passengers per day sometimes (an important detail I know) but those are still solid numbers and I still ma
87 EA CO AS : You'd see SEA-CVG well before PDX-CVG; the SEA market will always be connected to new cities first.
88 yeelep : A option to buy was placed in 1967, I don't think it was a actual order. Its possible they would not exist today if they had.
89 Post contains links HiFlyerAS : An excellent point. Either it might not look that different than today with various trans-con and Hawaii flights mixed in with the core markets....or
90 BoeingGuy : Don't forget that AS had MD-90s on order too, but later cancelled it. I don't know the reason why, but DL also ordered something like 175 of them and
91 GentFromAlaska : I seem to recall several carriers were contemplating emulating WN single aircraft fleet type; that being the 737 series as a cost saving initiative b
92 SANFan : And now today, SAN-HNL is announced... Hmmmm. AS continues building a fairly nice operation here in the OTHER corner of the U.S. west coast... bb
93 point2point : How about AS extending the ANC-DEN route and flying it throughout the year? Besides SEA, PDX, LAX, and ORD, DEN is only one of five of the mainland ci
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Good Article On Alaska's Eastern Expansion posted Thu Apr 4 2002 18:48:50 by Searpqx
Alaska Airlines Expansion posted Tue May 16 2000 23:15:30 by Flywithken
LH: Munich Expansion posted Sat Jul 9 2011 13:28:22 by bavair
Alaska Airlines Tail Logo - What Is It? posted Sat Jul 9 2011 11:31:43 by gilesdavies
Port Authority Airport Expansion For EWR And JFK posted Wed Jul 6 2011 18:39:59 by STT757