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New United Merger: Any New Routes To Tune Network?  
User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 882 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10526 times:

United is getting closer to full integration. Would we see any more major announcements in regards to new destinations, hub reshuffle (if any), anytime soon, etc?
Also I think CO is getting rid of their 762s, I wonder if there would be any more retirements on the fleet?


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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10538 times:

I have strong doubts it'll happen due to the merger, but I'd love to see a return of BOI-IAH. It was kind of a surprise to see them discontinue the service considering they had just added a flight prior to cutting the route, and from everything I had heard it was doing at least fairly well. But I suppose it's redundant now with DEN and ORD filling in.

User currently offlinejackhi From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10268 times:

There are rumors circulating that we may see HNL/HKG in 2012 as the China - Hawaii market is heating up.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10205 times:

There have been a couple of mentions over the last year or so about maybe SAN-Hawaii being tried again; some even suggest a tie-in with Guam is conceivable.

Both UA and CO have op'd SAN-HNL, and CO seemed rather close to trying something relatively recently (back when they started SNA-service to the Islands) but my feeling is that AS slipped in ahead of any decision by CO (and seems to be doing well with their SAN-OGG flight.) DL made a very strange and short-lived stab at SAN-HNL last summer and hasn't been heard from since.

I have no idea if AS is planning any additional Island service from SAN -- I hope they are at least considering a split SAN-KOA/LIH run -- but I still feel San Diego could handle another flight to HNL. I wonder if UA is at least looking at the market and could make a move before AS, WN (expected perhaps to start westbound flights from the west coast next year), or anyone else...

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User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10161 times:

ORD-SNN? Good demand at this side of the pond - although maybe not so good to fill an A330 which is why EI discontinued it. Could UA drop the second daily EWR-SNN and replace it with ORD-SNN? I'd love to see it happen as it's the route I use most frequently.


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10157 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 4):
ORD-SNN?

I don't know about ORD-SNN but ORD-DUB on a 752 I think is extremely likely.

Quoting jackhi (Reply 2):
There are rumors circulating that we may see HNL/HKG in 2012 as the China - Hawaii market is heating up.

I would not be surprised to see a return of LAX-HKG on a 788 as well.

There was also a rumor about IAD/EWR to RUH at one point as well.

[Edited 2011-07-10 11:46:28]


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User currently onlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10147 times:
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I wonder at what point we'll hear about how CO-UA will dispatch international 757s from IAD?

User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10119 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 5):
I don't know about ORD-SNN but ORD-DUB on a 752 I think is extremely likely.

I think the ORD-DUB market is close to saturation for the time being. EI run it daily year-round with an A333 and AA has had to reduce its ORD-DUB route to summer-only with a 757 on some days. Also, EI has a codeshare agreement in place with UA on the route. I think (and hope!) ORD-SNN would be a better fit.



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User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10077 times:

I would personally love to see BUR-IAH. Right now, BUR is served from only SFO and DEN, and mostly on RJs. I think a double daily mainline BUR-IAH would do well to compete with AA's BUR-DFW.


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9945 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 7):

I think the ORD-DUB market is close to saturation for the time being. EI run it daily year-round with an A333 and AA has had to reduce its ORD-DUB route to summer-only with a 757 on some days. Also, EI has a codeshare agreement in place with UA on the route. I think (and hope!) ORD-SNN would be a better fit.

Good demand potentially, but at what yields? SNN is not that high of a yielding market - there's a reason only CO and EI only operate it year round, and to historically large Irish markets that are as close to Shannon as you can get in this country (BOS and NYC). There's a reason that AA, US and AC all dropped it once the SNN/DUB rule was done away with, and DL dropped it to a seasonal - it's a heavy leisure route. For those business passengers, it's fairly easy to flow over the CO hub at Newark.

Just because you can fill up a 757, doesn't mean it'll be profitable if you're doing it at 6-7 cent yields.


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2728 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9911 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
Both UA and CO have op'd SAN-HNL, and CO seemed rather close to trying something relatively recently (back when they started SNA-service to the Islands) but my feeling is that AS slipped in ahead of any decision by CO (and seems to be doing well with their SAN-OGG flight.) DL made a very strange and short-lived stab at SAN-HNL last summer and hasn't been heard from since.

I have no idea if AS is planning any additional Island service from SAN -- I hope they are at least considering a split SAN-KOA/LIH run -- but I still feel San Diego could handle another flight to HNL. I wonder if UA is at least looking at the market and could make a move before AS, WN (expected perhaps to start westbound flights from the west coast next year), or anyone else...

Well, with 738 equipment, the merged UA could offer a few opportunities to HNL and maybe beyond. How about these opportunities that could connect to GUM
CLE-SAN-HNL or
DEN-SAN-HNL (extend existing DEN-SAN)
PDX-HNL
SEA-HNL
YVR-HNL (there is currently no AM flight westbound) (CO's been there before) (Star market with one AC codeshare)
If these 738s were flown AM westbound and 2030 eastbound, they would have ground time in HNL to extend to the outer islands with a mini-hub at HNL. How about HNL-LIH, HNL-OGG, HNL-KOA? The crews could fly West Coast via HNL to destinations, then have a 24 hour layover.
Also, CO tried HNL-NAN, which is a stretch with the 738, but with more feed at HNL could 738s do shorter HNL-PPT, HNL-RAR and HNL-PPG routes?


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9612 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 9):
Good demand potentially, but at what yields? SNN is not that high of a yielding market - there's a reason only CO and EI only operate it year round, and to historically large Irish markets that are as close to Shannon as you can get in this country (BOS and NYC). There's a reason that AA, US and AC all dropped it once the SNN/DUB rule was done away with, and DL dropped it to a seasonal - it's a heavy leisure route. For those business passengers, it's fairly easy to flow over the CO hub at Newark.

Just because you can fill up a 757, doesn't mean it'll be profitable if you're doing it at 6-7 cent yields.

I agree with you on the leisure-orientated demand. Business traffic will never be high out of Shannon. As well as this, Shannon is a very seasonal market - peaking in the summer months when tourists come in. I'm just suggesting that post-merger United could replace the seasonal second EWR-SNN frequency with an ORD-SNN route. It may be worth UA's while for a few reasons:

1. It would benefit from Shannon Airport's Long Haul Route Support Scheme which offers heavily discounted airport charges up to 4 years after an airline launches a new route (100% discounted for the first year/season).

2. It opens up more connection possibilities for SNN customers.

3. UA could tap into the large Irish population in Chicago looking for a more convenient option home (O&D). Irish descendants make up the largest ethnic group in Chicago; even now surpassing the Germans.

4. US Customs and Border Protection preclearance at Shannon would allow for a swift aircraft turnaround on arrival at ORD - eliminating the need for the aircraft to park at Terminal 5.



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User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2238 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9374 times:

I could very well imagine that there are going to be more flights between Houston and European destinations, such as Star hubs at Munich or Zurich, especially with a 787. Also, if a 787 can do IAD-JNB or EWR-IAD or IAH-LDA nonstop, or selected routes to the Gulf from Houston, then I'd see that as a real possibility.

Since I see a lot of mentioning of routes from HNL, just one related question: will Continental Micronesia keep some sort of separate identity and/or will it be a separate legal entity? Will it continue to be operated as a separate fleet? Or will it be fully integrated into the UA group, both in terms of legal entity and operationally?

Also, will flights be operated with the "United" call sign or with something distinct?


User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9094 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 9):
only CO and EI only operate it year round, and to historically large Irish markets that are as close to Shannon as you can get in this country (BOS and NYC).

Chicago's got a pretty big Irish pop. too, and it's only like 400 nm further than from JFK. Still...

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 9):
Just because you can fill up a 757, doesn't mean it'll be profitable if you're doing it at 6-7 cent yields.

Definitely a long-ish route on a small-ish plane to be relying on leisure traffic. So maybe we'll see it, but only if they have a 757 they're not doing anything else with. Maybe it can make money, but there will definitely be more profitable opportunities that will take precedence.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 11):
It would benefit from Shannon Airport's Long Haul Route Support Scheme which offers heavily discounted airport charges up to 4 years after an airline launches a new route (100% discounted for the first year/season).

I did not realize they had this. Well, I hope they take a stab at it then. I love Ireland.


User currently onlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9098 times:
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Quoting mozart (Reply 12):
IAD-JNB or EWR-IAD or IAH-LDA nonstop, or selected routes to the Gulf from Houston, then I'd see that as a real possibility.

I personally don't see CO-UA competing with either QR or SAA at Dulles. But the extensive Shell Petroleum operations around LDA make IAH-LDA as inevitable as IAH-LOS.


User currently offlineflyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9069 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):
I wonder at what point we'll hear about how CO-UA will dispatch international 757s from IAD?

They already serve IAD to CDG and AMS with CO's 757's

Just my 0.02



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User currently onlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8936 times:
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Quoting flyiguy (Reply 15):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):I wonder at what point we'll hear about how CO-UA will dispatch international 757s from IAD?
They already serve IAD to CDG and AMS with CO's 757's

Well, you're half right. The second daily IAD-CDG departure is a 757 (the first is still a 777)

IAD-AMS is still a 763 (no change yet)


User currently offlinenyc2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8914 times:

Quoting mozart (Reply 12):
Since I see a lot of mentioning of routes from HNL, just one related question: will Continental Micronesia keep some sort of separate identity and/or will it be a separate legal entity? Will it continue to be operated as a separate fleet? Or will it be fully integrated into the UA group, both in terms of legal entity and operationally?

The new airline is moing everything to one certificate. Continental Micronesia and PMUA will be doing all their flying underneath one certificate. (I believe Continental's) while all maintainace wil be mover to the PMUA certificate. (or vice-versa cannot remember which certificates are being kept but its one from each.)



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User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8763 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):
IAH-LDA as inevitable as IAH-LOS.

Agreed. That or even SSG.



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User currently offlinedutchflyboi From Netherlands, joined Apr 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8712 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 16):
IAD-AMS is still a 763 (no change yet)
CO is taking over the route September 1 with a 757

[Edited 2011-07-10 16:02:49]

User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2986 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7632 times:
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Does anyone see the 747's moving around?


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User currently offlinetu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7239 times:

Quoting nyc2theworld (Reply 17):
The new airline is moing everything to one certificate. Continental Micronesia and PMUA will be doing all their flying underneath one certificate. (I believe Continental's) while all maintainace wil be mover to the PMUA certificate. (or vice-versa cannot remember which certificates are being kept but its one from each.)

Correct.



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4781 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7229 times:

ORD-DUB, or more technically DUB-ORD is too far with the 757.


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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7162 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 22):
ORD-DUB, or more technically DUB-ORD is too far with the 757.

You mean the route AA has operated with a 757??  

[Edited 2011-07-10 20:55:10]

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4781 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6999 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 23):

You mean the route AA has operated with a 757??

You may be right, I shall look at it again !



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25 AADC10 : I do not think there will be new routes. In the face of high oil prices, it will be the inverse: marginal routes will be cut; some routes served by mu
26 bralo20 : I would love to see IAH-BRU being launched, but preferrable with UA metal instead of CO metal. But I don't think it will happen (soon).
27 United1 : AA has flown DUB-ORD with a 752...ORD to Ireland and a good part of the UK is actualy doable on a 752.
28 breaker1011 : I'd have to agree. While DL/NW resulted in a decent handful of new routes within 2 years post-merger, timing against the economy, declining oil, excl
29 Max Q : What UA is up against, unfortunately, more than anything is incompetent management.
30 AmricanShamrok : Also, AA has operated ORD-SNN in the past as well as DL with ATL-SNN with 757s with no problems!
31 eastern023 : Anything about new routes to Latin America? I thought since they were freeing up planes they could open... IAD-LIM (and beat LP to it, since they're t
32 SCL767 : LP will soon receive two new B-767-316ERs and will launch both LIM-IAD and LIM-ORD sooner rather than later, (with one B-767-316ER, LP can operate LI
33 brilondon : Which routes do they use these aircraft on now? I thought that CO bought those for a specific purpose, If any one has any factual information it woul
34 TOMMY767 : Off the top of my head: IAD-FLL/PBI -- using CO 738s EWR -- Africa (overdue) -- Various a/c probably with J/F IAD-MAN/DUB/MAD/BCN (for starters) -- Us
35 Post contains links STT757 : They did announce EWR-CAI with the 777, but we all know what happened. IAD-BCN is outside of the range of CO's RR powered 757s, MAD though is well wi
36 eastern023 : Connection times at EZE is probably the reason why they haven't codeshare with any Star carrier. AC 092 SCL - EZE 10:35 13:35 AC 093 EZE - SCL 15:50
37 CALPSAFltSkeds : I'd question if IAD-MAD is well within range as it's only 170 miles shorter than TXL-EWR and I would anticipate heavier headwinds on the more souther
38 STT757 : CO/UA is taking delivery of 19 737-900ERs in 2012, I would put them into DEN.
39 rl757pvd : I hope IAH to BDL/PVD will return one of these years. BDL would probably come back first, though I know for a while PVD actually supported larger airc
40 TOMMY767 : Probably. The 738 and 739 would never have any range issues from DEN as opposed to EWR which the 739s do transcons and can struggle during the winter
41 KFitz : ghetto bird > slave ship
42 STT757 : Cairo failed not for their own fault but because of a National revolution that also knocked DL out of the market. CO was going into CAI big with a 77
43 kgaiflyer : I'm not even sure about Malabo city. Those not familiar with Equatorial Guinea's very unusual geography -- it consists of a mainland territory and fi
44 eastern023 : So when is full integration due again?
45 TOMMY767 : I've heard end of this year but I'm sure that will end up not being true.
46 eastern023 : I still think they could make a tag on EZE-SCL to UA's flight from IAD. This is if there's not enough metal to do IAH-SCL nonstop...
47 staralliance85 : It would be smart for UA to start a EWR-ICN route. There is a big Korean population in New Jersey and that is key. Plus, transfers to Asia would be ea
48 SCL767 : That would be great since there are only 17 or 18 daily flights between SCL and BUE: AC SCL-EZE daily H2 SCL-EZE 13x weekly LAN SCL-EZE 7x daily LAN
49 eastern023 : But only one Star alliance flight each way with an off connection schedule...
50 tsnamm : I've been clamoring for this one for a while...SEL is one of the largest O&D markets from NYC, and all the non stop traffic is controlled by Kore
51 gigneil : Not enough range, I fear. NS
52 AirlineBrat : Since QX pulled out of ACV we are now only served by UA. Routes we need..... ACV-DEN and ACV-LAX.
53 TOMMY767 : Probably not enough widebody metal to go around at CO for the route. Same old song, at least until now when they have enough resources with the merge
54 airzim : Not a great business route. The Korean carriers (KE in particular) have succeeded in being a desirable transit carrier and carry large amounts of tra
55 tsnamm : That's absolutely true...however with the suspension of the CAI route they have 2 extra 777's to spare. Of course now in mid merger its probably too
56 ERJ170 : Off the top of my head.. uhmm.. how about RDU-DEN/SFO..
57 STT757 : They're going to IAH-LOS.
58 MCOGVADCA : Yes, yes, no, no, yes, yes, yes, yes, YES, yes, YES, and UBERYES!
59 tsnamm : till the 787's that were supposed to do it show up...
60 flyiguy : UA had RDU - DEN and they got slaughtered by WN on the route. Just my 0.02
61 STT757 : Yeah it was originally supposed to launch with the 787, along with AKL, however LOS s not waiting and launching with the 777s that were to have been
62 ERJ170 : WN didn't start the route until about 8-10 months after UA got in the route.. I find it hard to believe UA could have gotten that slaughtered.. They
63 tsnamm : I'm a bit surprised they're going forward with this route considering they're inheriting IAD/LOS from PMUA...is there enough business/profit to justi
64 STT757 : The money to Nigeria is from Houston, more so than NY, Washington or Atlanta. Oil industry money. Same with Launda, CO/UA is behind with developing I
65 MCOGVADCA : Yes. Delta beat UA to Africa (the fact that major carriers took so long to re-enter Africa is indicative of the conservative mindset held at major US
66 Drerx7 : I think that the 777 will end up staying on IAH-LOS at least seasonally even once the 787s arrive. And ditto the Houston - Nigeria market size, rememb
67 VC10er : MY BURNING QUESTION: United, non-stop from EWR to GIG? Oddly no tag from EWR to GRU to GIG? Even a connection to TAM. Just a long flight from EWR to I
68 Post contains images COSPN : Quoting mozart (Reply 12): Since I see a lot of mentioning of routes from HNL, just one related question: will Continental Micronesia keep some sort o
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