SKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1330 posts, RR: 2 Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2275 times:
I have seen that KE will start operating their A380s to CDG in September which has left me confused.
CDG is a far less constrained airport than LHR with less traffic and two more runways, meaning there is more scope for extra frequencies.
LHR is very slot constrained, so it surprises me that KE have chosen CDG as their first European destination for the A380. Are there plans to introduce it in the future to LHR?
Would CDG being a skyteam hub have anything to do with this?
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cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7713 posts, RR: 55 Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2247 times:
Interesting that KE can fill a 747-400 and could easily fill an A380 on a route (ICN-LHR) where they are the only airline (BA have not served Korea for some time).
Then again EK op their A380s on a few routes where there is no other airline, eg DXB-YYZ, MAN, SYD, JFK. But Seoul is more of an O&D city than DXB.
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HeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 522 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2171 times:
Not likely in near future.
KE recently got a right for 3 additional weekly flights to LHR, and KE will be able to get slots for this (Asiana also got the same thing, so Asiana is preparing to increase from 4-5xw to daily from this October). So less likely have an under-capacity problem for the next few years.
KE uses 380 to CDG less likely because of the demand, but more to retain flight right. Earlier this year, Korean government distributed one weekly slot (2.0 unit?) which everyone assumed Asiana is getting it (currently Asiana serves 3xw to CDG). However, KE persuaded that they need the additional units to use 380, and KE got it. But KE's initial plan for 380 included only LAX and JFK, irritating Korean government. So KE is to use 380 for a very short time, politically, and in this summer, KE fully uses the right units they have (using smaller aircraft and increase frequency).
SKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1330 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2161 times:
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 2): Interesting that KE can fill a 747-400 and could easily fill an A380 on a route (ICN-LHR) where they are the only airline (BA have not served Korea for some time).
Actually OZ also operate a daily 772 from ICN to LHR... However, having 1 x 744 and 1 x 772 is not much capacity between two large hubs, actually. I reckon BA could easily fill a daily 772 to ICN to supplement... Would then provide direct flights for Skyteam (KE), Oneworld (BA) and Star Alliance (OZ).
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migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1279 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1559 times:
I´m sure they will operate sooner or later, specially if one day BA decide to fly to ICN.
That´s another thing to talk about.... why no BA to ICN?? it´s too very large cities with lot of business around.... I know that ICN is not a hub for Oneworld but they have enough out to LHR....
goblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1463 times:
Let's not jump the gun on anything. KE is probably doing this for Skyteam and LHR is just a pipe dream by some a.netters. If the demand is high enough for Korea then wouldn't BA just take over it and not let a rival alliance take over this popular route at a OW hub?
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7180 posts, RR: 45 Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1414 times:
Correct me if I am wrong: KE does ICN-CDG 14x weekly with 744s. I think this clearly justifies why CDG will be one of the first A380 destinations. Whether KE decides to serve CDG with a combination of A380s and 744s or A380s and 77Ws, this is a logic move.
On the other hand, KE does ICN-LHR 7x weekly with 744s. I do not think it is far-fetched to think that LHR will one day get KE A380 service. On the one hand, LHR's constraints make it a prime candidate for airlines that are growing and that use large planes already. On the other hand, the South Korean economy is doing very well and will most likely continue to grow. South Korea was one of the few developed countries that avoided a recession during the global financial crisis: GDP grew 2.3% in 2008, 0.9% in 2009 and 6.2% in 2010. It is quite reasonable to think that business ties between South Korea and the rest of the world will continue to grow.
HeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 522 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1174 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9): Correct me if I am wrong: KE does ICN-CDG 14x weekly with 744s.
KE does 7x 744 and I think what you saw is AF codeshare flight (also 7xw). KE can fly 8xw 744 or 7xw 380 or 9-10xw 772/773. In the meantime to LHR, KE can fly 7xw currently and additional 3xw from later this year (I don't think there is an aircraft size restriction with this).
KE's current plan consumes 4-5 380s, and since KE will introduce total 10 of it, there will be 2 or 3 additional longhaul destinations. Let's see where they go.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7180 posts, RR: 45 Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1085 times:
Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 10): KE does 7x 744 and I think what you saw is AF codeshare flight (also 7xw). KE can fly 8xw 744 or 7xw 380 or 9-10xw 772/773.
Oh yes, you are absolutely right. Actually AF's flight is on 77Ws. I think right now KE is doing 8 weekly flights with 744s. Thanks for the clarification.
Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 10): KE's current plan consumes 4-5 380s, and since KE will introduce total 10 of it, there will be 2 or 3 additional longhaul destinations. Let's see where they go.
You think there is a chance some flights to HKG will continue to be operated with A380s long term?
HeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 522 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1068 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 11): You think there is a chance some flights to HKG will continue to be operated with A380s long term?
Daytime flight, I don't know. But night time flight is and will be 380 for sure for a while. It's very good for fully utilizing aircrafts. HKG is not slot restricted airport for KE, and operational right for ICN-HKG is defined by the number of seats (for example, 5000 seats per week), so KE doesn't necessarily need 380. NRT or Haneda, however, may need KE's 380 in the end.
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