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CZ To Operate A380 On Domestic Routes  
User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 534 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16617 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...erate-a380-on-domestic-routes.html

Quoting article:
China Southern Airlines will operate its new Airbus A380s on daily domestic Beijing-Guangzhou and Beijing-Shanghai Hongqiao services.


I cannot say I am not surprised. It will be a big draw for CZ in Beijing. I was hoping to see it in AMS though....

[Edited 2011-07-12 05:07:29]


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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1916 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16420 times:

Well, that's putting the "the A380 will never be used for domestic operations" remarks to bed..  

Nice to also be able to spot them at Paris!

Cheers!   



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User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16388 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Thread starter):
Beijing-Shanghai Hongqiao services.

To compete with the highspeed train?

//Mike   



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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16291 times:

Quoting solnabo (Reply 2):
To compete with the highspeed train?

I don't know how long the route will last, but I am sure at first it will be a huge seller over the train just for the unique factor of flying on an A380.



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User currently offlineStanleyJ From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2010, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16080 times:

Interesting. Curious the same article says the first Int'l route will be CAN-CDG rather than the previously assumed PEK-CDG. Also CAN-PEK isn't "that" domestic since it's about the same distant as DXB-JEB (already flown by EK) and AKL-SYD (flown by QF), so aside from a bit of crew familiarisation and seeing actual timetables, I guess it's probably more a CDG-CAN-PEK in the future. Does make PEK-SHA a bit of an odd one out though, especially since the plane appears configured for long-haul and everything, less it actually ends up being JFK-SHA/PEK-PEK/SHA (PEK then SHA is marginally shorter)?

User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15843 times:

How long is the flight? Could it be that they have several hours between two long-haul flights so they scheduled this one?

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15785 times:

how about:

CDG-CAN-PEK-SHA-PEK-CAN-CDG ?


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4705 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15718 times:
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Quoting TeamInTheSky (Thread starter):
I was hoping to see it in AMS though

Me too. So in my opinion it is time for a follow-up order from CZ   


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30572 posts, RR: 84
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15252 times:
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Quoting StanleyJ (Reply 4):
...I guess it's probably more a CDG-CAN-PEK in the future.

A domestic tag-on sounds to me more reasonable than a daily back-and-forth shuttle service.



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 1):
Well, that's putting the "the A380 will never be used for domestic operations" remarks to bed.    

It's certainly not a case of the A380 being unable to do such a shuttle service, but that it's not designed for that role so for maintenance and parts replacement thresholds that are triggered by cycles, you're going to hit them significantly faster and that's going to drive up your costs.

Doing it as a tag-on at the CAN end does add an extra cycle for that day, but it's less stressful on the airframe than a dozen cycles a day.  


User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8502 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14901 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
A domestic tag-on sounds to me more reasonable than a daily back-and-forth shuttle service.

- Agreed.

Once they have a few and the crew have built up a good feel for the plane she is bound to be deployed to LAX & CDG in the not too distant future.



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User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14355 times:

http://www.a380flights.net/ still has PEK-JFK listed as a future route. Will this ever actually happen?

User currently offlineinitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1053 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14260 times:

Quoting StanleyJ (Reply 4):
AKL-SYD (flown by QF)
QF doesn't fly AKL-SYD using an A380, it's flown by EK as a tag-on from DXB-SYD.

On another note, is SHA fully certified to handle the A380? Does it have triple jetways or will they use a double jetway (one on upper deck and another on lower deck?) to handle the A380?

I guess by using their clown plane (my nickname for it since the nose makes it look like a clown) on CAN-PEK and PEK-SHA, it gives me a reason to fly CZ although it is the airline I dislike the most.

Are the domestic routes permanent? I hope they are!

[Edited 2011-07-12 10:41:59]


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User currently offlinealsberg From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12345 times:

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 1):
Well, that's putting the "the A380 will never be used for domestic operations" remarks to bed..


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5405 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12072 times:

Maybe I missed the info but has the passenger configuration been announced for the 380 domestic flights? Will we see an all Y a380 flight from them?


What the...?
User currently offlineinitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1053 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12036 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 13):
Maybe I missed the info but has the passenger configuration been announced for the 380 domestic flights? Will we see an all Y a380 flight from them?

I hope not, It'd be chaos trying to board an A380 the Chinese way! As of now I only see the config as 8/70/428 so I suppose it will stay that way. Hope they have some reasonable fares for the domestic flights so I can grab a flight on them!



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5405 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11821 times:

Quoting initious (Reply 14):

I've only been on Chinese 737's which is quite a different perspective. I suppose it's ultimately a good thing to have a 3 class 380 but there really is something freakshowish about the idea of an 800+ passenger airline....on which I'd rather watch the boarding process more than having any urge to participate in it.

That many people getting on and off any plane still boggles my mind. The closest thing I've been a part of is having two wide bodies transferring through LHR T-3 at the same time...with only one x-ray machine. I still have nightmares.



What the...?
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24858 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10735 times:

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 1):
Well, that's putting the "the A380 will never be used for domestic operations" remarks to bed..

Air Austral's 2 high-density A380s will be used on French domestic routes to/from Reunion.


User currently offlineinitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1053 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10468 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 15):
I've only been on Chinese 737's which is quite a different perspective.

I have been on CZ's 738 4 times and once on their 733, disappointing experiences to speak of.   Boarding was quite civilized for China though!



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User currently offlineGrid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7742 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 3):
I don't know how long the route will last, but I am sure at first it will be a huge seller over the train just for the unique factor of flying on an A380.

Not sure. The train is one of the fastest for such a continuous speed. I'm sure most consumers will buy based on price, not aircraft type. But the train did breakdown the other day too.



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User currently offlineac033 From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2008, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7533 times:

That is some extremely old news, they had this planned back in 2005. Since the A380 was delayed, CZ wasn't able to use it on the 2008 Olympic so they postponed the plan til now...

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 3):

I don't know how long the route will last, but I am sure at first it will be a huge seller over the train just for the unique factor of flying on an A380.

With up to 10 daily SHA-PEK, i doubt the people will looking for the unique factor of flying A380, they will look for the most suitable time for them

Quoting ju068 (Reply 5):
How long is the flight? Could it be that they have several hours between two long-haul flights so they scheduled this one?

PEK-SHA is around 1;50 mins , and PEK- CAN is around 2;30 hr, should be enough time to do a few runs during the day and that is what CZ is doing with their B77B and A332

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 13):
Maybe I missed the info but has the passenger configuration been announced for the 380 domestic flights? Will we see an all Y a380 flight from them?

They will sell first class as business class and they will sell business as premium economy or "A" class service which is you get economy check-in, boarding and luggage except you get to ride in business class instead, and the price is usually half of full fare business.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5405 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6615 times:

Quoting initious (Reply 17):

I flew China Southern from Hong Kong to Haikou...boarding was quite civil, actually.



What the...?
User currently offlineac033 From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2008, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6466 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 20):

I flew China Southern from Hong Kong to Haikou...boarding was quite civil, actually.

When was that????????

Only UO is operating HKG-HAK


User currently offlinejgw787 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6015 times:

im not that surprised. there is a lot of domestic travel demand in China that a train cannot fill.

User currently offlinefarzan From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5128 times:

Quoting solnabo (Reply 2):
To compete with the highspeed train?

Did the high speed train Shanghai - Beijing in business class last week. No more flying SHA-PEK for me. The train was great AND ON TIME, which almost no flights to PEK are anymore.


User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4548 times:
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To tie in nicely, CZ's third A380 has just completed final assembly.

http://a380production.com/2011/07/54ro/


25 JoeCanuck : You're right...it must have been Hong Kong Airlines...China Southern would have meant a mainland connection. It was about 3 years ago...if I would ha
26 danfearn77 : I flew them recently AMS-CAN-SYD and returned SYD-CAN-PEK-AMS. Experienced their A330's (which were fab by the way) and their 777's. Boarding was no
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