SASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 798 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 16569 times:
I just read the topic about the retirment of N748SA (B747-200 F) of Southern Air. Most B747-400 pax operators are about to replace their fleets with either A380s / B748 or B77Ws or convert them to cargo planes. With so many possible B747-400s available in the next couple of years, it is still feasible and profitable to operate B747 Classics? I think this has already been discussed in the past but how many Boeing 747-100/200/300s are still flying around? I think the last 'Classic' was delivered in 1992, how many more years have they still left?
747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3791 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 16039 times:
Atlas Air, Evergreeen International, Kalitta Air and Southern Air are four US airlines that still use 747 classics. There is a new cargo airline name MIDEX, that bought Martinair's 742F and recently bought two ex Air France 742F, and plan on buying some more 747 200F. I also believe SV still operates a few 743s and Fry's Electronic and The Sands Hotel each has a V.I.P. 747 SP.
I think that they still have 3 or 4 ex NZ -219s, but I am pretty sure that they have been retired from pax service. There was talk about converting them to freighters , but of NZs 5 219s 3 were of 1981 build and 2 from 1982 so I am doubtful it would be economical to do a freight conversion ( I can't believe that NZ's first 747's were delivered 30 years ago, I feel )
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a300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11476 times:
Iran Air: -100B, -200, -SP (I have flown on all of their 100 and 200s and one of the SPs)
Mahan Air: -300
Iran Air Force: -100BSF, -200,- 200F. IRIAF's 100s are the oldest 747s still flying, as I recall. The 100s are ex-TWA that have been converted to freighter/tanker status back in the 1970s. The 200 is an ex-Iraqi Airways ship that was in storage for over 15 years before being restored to airworthy status! The 200Fs were all delivered new from Boeing. I think one is still in flying condition.
4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3060 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11123 times:
Not long ago, when I would check flightaware in the AM, I could see the Kalitta 747-100 freighter enroute from LAX to Hawaii. I've noticed that it is now a 742 when it flies. Have not seen an airborne 741 listed on flightaware since...
Spacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 3017 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11017 times:
Quoting 4holer (Reply 14): Not long ago, when I would check flightaware in the AM, I could see the Kalitta 747-100 freighter enroute from LAX to Hawaii. I've noticed that it is now a 742 when it flies. Have not seen an airborne 741 listed on flightaware since...
Noticed that too. Used to be 2 round trips daily, but that's nearly 20 hours a day. Fairly heavy use. Must have poured the hours on till the next heavy check.
This got me to thinking about something. With fewer and fewer "classic" a/c still in service like the one mentioned by the op (along with707's, DC-10's, etc...) how many qualified pilots and other crew are there to operate said a/c?
SEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7248 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10384 times:
Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 17): This got me to thinking about something. With fewer and fewer "classic" a/c still in service like the one mentioned by the op (along with707's, DC-10's, etc...) how many qualified pilots and other crew are there to operate said a/c?
Any 744 pilot can fly a Classic with just difference training; I assume pilots can also fill the FE seat. Pilots should not be a problem for quite a while yet.
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na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10883 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10287 times:
This still impressive list contains all current 747 Classic operators, numbering 33, maybe missing one or two:
Atlas Air (742FF, 743F)
Kalitta Air (742F)
Southern Air (742F)
Evergreen (741F, 742F)
private US (SP)
Las Vegas Sands (SP)
El Al (742F)
Midex Cargo (742F)
Rayyan Cargo (742F)
Kabo Air (742)
Max Air (743)
Transaero (742, 743)
Veteran Cargo (742F)
Saudi Arabian (742F, 743)
Saudi Government (SP)
Iran AirForce (741)
Iran Air (742, SP)
Mahan Air (743)
Air Bridge (742F, 743F)
Hellenic Imperial (742)
Air Atlanta (742F, 743)
Air China Cargo (742F)
Cargo Airlines (742F)
General Electric (741, being retired these days)
Syrian Air (SP, being reactivated)
kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8657 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10130 times:
Quoting SFO2SVO (Reply 9): Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 5):
I think that they still have 3 or 4 ex NZ -219s, but I am pretty sure that they have been retired from pax service
There are photos of -219 in the DB as late as June, I doubt they will be retired in the middle of tourist season.
Thanks for that, I don't know why I thought they had already been retired. I have some fond memories of those birds so I am pleased to know that some of them are still in service, although I have to wonder for how much longer. When I saw NZ's first 747 arrive back in 1981 I doubt very much whether I would have believed anyone who told me that 30 years later it would still be flying pax, albeit on very different routes from those it was purchased for.
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