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9 Out Of 10 Agree, The L1011 Is Better  
User currently offlineTWA717_200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

I asked 9 pilots and my 2-year-old which was more efficient for flying over 200 people more than 1000 miles. All of the pilots agreed, it's the Tristar.

How can you argue with that?

 Smile

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User currently offlineConcorde1518 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 746 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

Horry for my favorite, the L-1011!

User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1455 times:

ok....

User currently offlineOxygen From Hong Kong, joined Sep 1999, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

GOOD !

User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

If you are talking about the merits of the TriStar itself then I will strongly agree. The question is, what are we comparing the TriStar to? Is it the DC10, MD11 or otherise?

Trintocan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13210 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

I've never heard a bad word about the L1011 from pilots and engineers, but it's had it's day as a pax aircaraft for major carriers.

User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1379 times:

Maybe all of the nine pilots you asked were pilots for the L1011. Is that maybe a good argument? Confused

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6294 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

I agree 100% with the 9 pilots, the L-1011 is much more efiicient at flying over 200 people over 1000 miles. Than a DHC-8 at least. I really suppose, though, that the 757/767/A330A340 are more efficient than the Tristas.  Laugh out loud


Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineDC10Tony From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

What does the "1011" stand for? I know the "10" in DC-10 means model 10.

I would assume the L-1011 is a good aircraft, BUT, I work at SFB where ATA just started service and their L-1011's are always spending the night for service because they need "life support" as a mechanic refers to it. Why does it need to all of this when the DC-10 just flies off without any of it like the 767s and A330s I work with?


User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

And how would you be typed for a Delta L-1011 when all other aircraft are Boeing/McD?

User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

Only the B757 is cheaper in terms of cents per seat mile cost than the L1011. B767, A330 and A340 are quite a bit more expensive to operate - largely due to their high capital cost and cost of maintenance (parts).

ATA's maintenance programme is a preventative one - in other words, it's preventing problems from happening. I'd imagine as well that the main problem aircraft are the longbodies with the -22B engines rather than the -524B4 powered -500s.


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3369 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1326 times:

Speaking of Tristars, Portugese charter airline Yes has bought/leased (?) a 'new' L1011. The plane is a L1011-385-3 tristar 500. It comes from Delta airlines and it will be registered as CS-TMX. This wil be Yes's second tristar.
FLY Lineas Aereas won't be receiving Delta tristars.
I got this news from the dutch site: www.civilspotters.com



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineLuckySevens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1292 times:

9 out of 10 Dentists agree, the RB211 is better than ... a lawnmower.
 Wink/being sarcastic  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineTWA717_200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

Guys, it was really late when I was suddenly inspired to do this post...

I meant to say that it was more efficient than a Cessna 152.

Oh well, my bad.

 Sad


User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1275 times:

DC10 all the way. The TriStar is an historical footnote, the Diesel 10 is still viable and making money.


You're only as good as your last departure.
User currently offlineLuckySevens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1271 times:

LOL TWA717_200:
I know it's not what you mean but the image of 200 people in a 152, all in full clown attire, is equally disturbing and amusing. I think Cessna was not referring to max passenger capacity when they named it the 152 Big grin


User currently offlineAl319 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1257 times:

Yet still they refuse to make an NG 1011 subjecting them to this
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Photo © Pierre Lacombe




“atom celled…jet propelled”
User currently offlineTWA717_200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

FDXmech, too bad your company can't afford those MD10 conversions...Looks like a bunch of otherwise usefull 10's are going to be scrapped.

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6294 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1205 times:

IMHO, but learned, the L-1011 is the better aircraft than the DC-10 for routes up to 3500 miles. It is at this point that the the 10 takes over.
As for FDXMech, the only reason that the DC-10 will soldier on making money for the next 20 or so years, is that the 1011 IS a better aircraft. The airlines operating the Tristar kept it in service as long as it was making money, as did the 10 operators. Sadly, the 10 sould no longer compete against the new blood. (757/767. etc) It seems that the Tristar did quite well until this year. As for the two US carriers still flying DC10s? NW is stuck with them for years to come and CO will dispose of them as soon as possible.

BTW : I loved the DC-10



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1195 times:

What does the "1011" stand for?

L1011 = Late 10 of 11 times Big grin


User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1162 times:

TWA 717-200,
FDX intends to convert 89 DC10-10/30's to MD10-10/30's of which six have been completed and are in revenue service.

FDX cancelled 29 MD10 options.

IMissPiedmont,
Please explain how the L1011's "superiority" contributed to its early demise in relation to the DC10 continued success.



You're only as good as your last departure.
User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1151 times:

When Lockheed engineers designed the L-1011, they did not rush it into production like MD did with their DC-10. The L-1011 was designed with safety in mind, such as having 4 hydraulic systems that were in separate areas of the aircraft rather than the 3 hydraulic lines that were side by side on the DC-10. The L-1011 had one-way shutoff valves in case of a hydraulic leak. The L-1011 also has a slat locking system that the DC-10 did not have. If DC-10 had the same items that the L-1011 had there wouldn't have been any serious accidents like the Sioux City UA Flt 232 and AA Flt 191 at O'Hare.

User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1119 times:

Eh both are great.  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6294 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

1) I don't recall ever saying that the L-1011 was superior to the DC-10.

2) L-1011 "early demise" as opposed to the DC-10 continued sucess? The way I see it,the major operators of the Tristar were EA (bankrupt 1.18.91), TW finally retired the type after 27 years, and DL which is just now retiring them. The fact is that without the FedEx purchase of the DC-10,(because it was available when needed due to massive fleet retirements and bankruptcies in the mid 80s), you would see an equal percentage of airframes flying 20 years from now.



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineAloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1105 times:

Hehehe....you asked you son? LOL what's he gonna know about it?? Big grin

OK, ok, perhaps economically the L-1011 wins. Yep and it's alot safer as well. BUT, aesthetically, nobody, NOBODY beats the DC-10!!!!  Big thumbs up

Aloha 737-200!!  Wink/being sarcastic


25 DesertJets : Hmmm, 100 Cessna 152s would cost about $2.5million... each costing about $25,000 a piece. They'd be pretty cheap to operate too... sipping 100LL at ar
26 Post contains images TWA717_200 : Brad, you just filled my head with the vision of 100 Cessna 152's all lined up on final approach... Aloha, I beg to differ: It is the Tristar that can
27 Post contains images FDXmech : Boeing747-400, Absolutedly right TEDSKI, First off, I don't buy this "rushing to production" of one type versus another. Fact is, they're ALL rushed i
28 TEDSKI : Eastern Flt 401 was caused by pilot error because flight crew was focusing on the burned out light bulb on the landing gear panel and not on their alt
29 DeltAirlines : I've also talked to some pilots though who have said the L-1011 is a much better plane than DC-10, etc. Jeff
30 Post contains images DeltaBoy777 : Thank you someone actually agrees with me!! See my post: L1011 Vs. MD-11 What do you think? I think the L1011 is better than some of the bigger jets,
31 Tan flyr : The model number "1011" has some stellar connotation to it as did the "Constellations, 949, & 1049" The Lookheed may have been over -engineered and ma
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