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User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 539 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8715 times:
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I was just wondering what new airlines/expansions that Melbourne (MEL) will get over the next five or so years.

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User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8693 times:

With the world economy the way it is dont assume much growth for another few years. MEL has had a lot of expansion in the past 3 years


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlinemikey86 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8661 times:

I think the most growth that will come will be from Domestic, Trans Tasman, Middle East and Asia. I dont think Melbourne will grow as fas at BNE will though. Would be nice to see some more USA services go to MEL  


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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8466 times:

^^ I think Australian airports will see reduced growth over the next couple of years. If the AUD drops, along with an uncertain global outlook continuing, expect both inbound and outbound demand to significantly dampen.

Domestically, it will depend on the next moves by TT, as demand will likely drop at the lower end without them. Don't expect big growth from DJ or QF, but JQ may well be the only possibility to see real growth potential. Even the latter is questionable though at this time.

Internationally, increased frequencies to China, and larger aircraft on some routes are possible (2nd daily SQ A380, EK and/or MH upgrading to A380). I don't see any significant new route announcements though from new carriers, unless you count the possibility of DL taking over from VA on MEL-LAX as new.

On Trans Tasman routes, don't see much growth occurring, given NZ and DJs partnership coming into effect, and the possibility of continued dampening of demand stemming from the earthquakes.

Not really looking that promising, but in this industry, who knows.


User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8144 times:

Quoting mikey86 (Reply 2):
I think the most growth that will come will be from Domestic, Trans Tasman, Middle East and Asia. I dont think Melbourne will grow as fas at BNE will though.

based on? How is the next decade going to be any different than the previous where MEL increasinly pulled away from BNE (international passengers)?

You fail to acknowledge Melbourne grows by almost twice the amount of people per year compared to Brisbane.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7989 times:

Another thing that will likely be a factor in MEL growth is what will happen with AVV.

If AVV gains international rights, for which things have gone very quiet of late. If the rail link is built to AVV, there will be a change in the competitiveness of that airport, which will be interesting to see the results of such a move.

If TT reorganises or fails to sustain operations in Australia, It would be interesting to see what the fortunes of AVV are. In the event if TT stopping Australian ops, JQ could either add or cease service to the airport, but for some reason I think it will be the former. It would put JQ in a great position to get a very favourable deal from airport management. IMHO, the AVV terminal is a better facility than T4 at MEL, which will be a good selling point.

Without TT to deal with at MEL, it changes the equation for JQ on several route options.


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7717 times:

Apart from AI when ever they will come, I dont think we will see that much growth at MEL, maybe DL in a few years or maybe Air Canada might come back to MEL, I would love to see both Delta and Air canada here at MEL. I think all we will see will be increases in both domestic and internationaly with the airlines that currently fly into MEL. it is amazing to think that 20 years ago the amount of international airlines that flew to MEL compared to now.

Does anyone think there are more airlines flying to MEL now compared to say 25 years ago?


User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7687 times:

Target 30 million by end of next financial year?

http://www.melbourneairport.com.au/N...to-over-28-million-for-201011.html

Quote:
Melbourne Airport’s continued strong international passenger growth has seen total passengers climb to 28,190,457 for financial year 2010/11, an increase of 2,021,751 or 7.7 per cent compared to last financial year.

________

Additional international services in 2010/11 included:

Jetstar launched daily Singapore and Auckland services as well as twice weekly services to Queenstown
China Southern, China Eastern and Vietnam Airlines all increased to daily services
Virgin Australia Group increased international services to Los Angeles, Christchurch, Bali and Fiji.
Qantas introduced A380s and increased capacity on its London and Los Angeles services
Emirates introduced B777s and increased capacity on its Dubai services
Royal Brunei and Strategic Airlines commenced international services.

_________

International passengers for the 2010/11 financial year grew by 13.5 per cent or an additional 748,794 passengers compared to last financial year, taking total international passengers to 6,287,710.

_________

Despite some extreme weather events domestic passenger growth for the 2010/2011 financial year was solid with an additional 1,272,777 passengers or an increase of 6.2 per cent compared to last financial year, taking total domestic passengers to 21,902,747.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7505 times:

Flyingscottsman, there are more carriers flying here now, with far higher frequencies and seats available.

The evolution away from European carriers to a heavy reliance on Asian and middle eastern carriers has brought huge benefits to the market. More connection options and more of the world has opened up to us, including the move away from via SYD services, and other long journeys.

Yes it's sad to see UTA (now Absorbed into Air France), Olympic, Alitalia, Lauda/Austrian, KLM, Lufthansa, British Airways and even JAT or the short lived Jes Air leave our skies, but things moved on. Codesharing sees most of those listed carriers still flying here, but without having their own metal operating.

Now we have huge growth from China and Asia in general, for which we have seen significant changes to our market.

[Edited 2011-07-20 09:26:50]

User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7482 times:
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Lion Air have said they will fly 737-900ERs to MEL soon.

I could see EY become double daily, EK flying the A380, CZ double daily, Thai to use A346s instead of 773s, MH to use A380s in 2012.


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5175 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7474 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 3):
^^ I

OT but what does ^^ Mean?


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7465 times:

^^ Lion Air and Batavia have both indicating interest in flying to MEL for a while. The former actually announced it's intention to start an Australian carrier at one stage, in partnership with the now defunct SkyAirWorld, I think it was called from memory.

EY- wouldn't hold your breath there. Competition from EK and QR is intense into MEL from the middle east. Reportedly LF% and yields are improving, but have a fair way to go yet. Even with the new VA deal, no mention was made about additional frequencies either.
EK- Definately a possibility, as it's always brought up as an upcoming change, and will likely be a defensive move to maintain it's already strong position into MEL.
CZ- Very likely to go 2 daily, given their ambitous expansion plans and growing Chinese demand into MEL.
MH- mentioned as a planned destination for the A380, it's move into OW makes it very likely
TG- no idea really on that one as they have had an interesting ride in this market for a while, and will depend on predicted F demand for a permanent move to the 346

New airlines are harder to pinpoint though. Skymark from Japan listed MEL as a destination for their 388's, but that won't be for a few years to come if it does eventuate. BI's continued ops here seem shaky though, so that might be a lost carrier in the making.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7463 times:

^^ = a reply to the above. Using an iPhone makes it hard to quote things so that's best option to use instead 

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7456 times:

Quoting mikey86 (Reply 2):
Would be nice to see some more USA services go to MEL  
Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 6):
maybe DL in a few years

DL is going to fly to MEL. The plan with VA is that the LAX-MEL flights will be operated by DL. This will enable VA to deploy its planes elsewhere.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7456 times:

^^ that's still a rumored move, but nothing confirmed yet.

User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

How about CI or BR coming to Melbourne at some point? And if the Indian government allows it perhaps could we ever see 9W and IT here, perhaps if AI once again postpones... But then Predicting Indian carriers is pure guess work! HA is rumored to have a new destination in mind, perhaps MEL? With a strong Dollie and HAs domestic network maybe they can offer connections and be more competitive the JQ, AC or QF were? Be great to see AC down here too but doubt it!

Long term I could also see KE going daily, along with CGK or DPS for GA, maybe also some frequency increases for JQ to BKK and DPS. CZ will be double daily next year with a longterm goal of three daily!

Hopefully with the QF shakeup we will see some services added out of MEL; PVG, NRT once things have recovered (prior to the disaster there Japenese inbound figures were growing substantially!) BOM non-stop.

I hope we don't loose VA but I feel we may! It wouldn't be economical for either DL or VA but I would like to see DL fill in the gaps in VA's schedule as opposed to replacing them.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7340 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 3):
If the AUD drops, along with an uncertain global outlook continuing, expect both inbound and outbound demand to significantly dampen.

Really?? A drop in the AUD would do anything but dampen demand to come into Australia from overseas as the costs go down for inbound tourists. One of the least advantageous economic impacts of having such a strong dollar is the increased cost for international tourists, which has been hurting our tourism industries. Sure outbound traffic may drop a little bit but inbound would definitely increase with a drop in the dollar. As for a bleak outlook - every bust is followed by a boom.

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 9):
I could see EY become double daily

I doubt it for now. If anything, we might see VA enter the market when they eventually get around to getting some more aircraft.

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 9):
MH to use A380s in 2012

Very doubtful. They're only getting 6 frames, have already publicly committed to LHR and AMS and would fly it either to Asian destinations or SYD first. Maybe the 747 that is displaced from LHR/AMS could be sent - I think there were talks of new A333s making it to MEL as well?


User currently onlineA330NZ From New Zealand, joined Dec 2010, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7342 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 11):
BI's continued ops here seem shaky though

BI is pulling out of PER, BNE and AKL, and while discussing this in the NZ aviation thread, it came up that they only continued flying to MEL because it would be too expensive to pull the plug on it


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7209 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 16):
Really?? A drop in the AUD would do anything but dampen demand to come into Australia from overseas as the costs go down for inbound tourists. One of the least advantageous economic impacts of having such a strong dollar is the increased cost for international tourists, which has been hurting our tourism industries. Sure outbound traffic may drop a little bit but inbound would definitely increase with a drop in the dollar. As for a bleak outlook - every bust is followed by a boom.

I get where you are coming from, but it was in reference to the global economy, and its effect on travel patterns. If our dollar drops, whats to say that the gloal economy is still stalled, thus being a dampener on both inbound and outbound demand.

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 17):
BI is pulling out of PER, BNE and AKL, and while discussing this in the NZ aviation thread, it came up that they only continued flying to MEL because it would be too expensive to pull the plug on it

Yes, well aware of that. We will just have to wait and see if those predictions of I cancelling MEL service next year come to fruition. It would hardly be a shock.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 16):
Very doubtful. They're only getting 6 frames, have already publicly committed to LHR and AMS and would fly it either to Asian destinations or SYD first. Maybe the 747 that is displaced from LHR/AMS could be sent - I think there were talks of new A333s making it to MEL as well?

The latest comments from MH indicated LHR, MEL and SYD were in line for service, with AMS still in the mix too. With MHs move into OW, AMS may fall off the list, depending on what rships it decides to build on.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 16):
I doubt it for now. If anything, we might see VA enter the market when they eventually get around to getting some more aircraft.

VA dont really have the aircraft availale. The 77W fleet is small, and unlikely to be expanded, and the A332 would need to go via Asia. There really are not many options to route a flight through Asia to AUH, without substantial competitive pressure being encountered. The best bet is for increased EY flights, but thats doubtful also for some time to come.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7209 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 15):
How about CI or BR coming to Melbourne at some point?

Would certainly be interesting, considering some significant growth figures from Taiwanese passport holders into MEL. CI had been ruoured as looking at MEL, so who knows.


User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7183 times:

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 9):
Lion Air have said they will fly 737-900ERs to MEL soon.

Lion Air has failed CASA audit. Don't expect the airline to fly to Australia in the near future.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7173 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 18):
I get where you are coming from, but it was in reference to the global economy, and its effect on travel patterns. If our dollar drops, whats to say that the gloal economy is still stalled, thus being a dampener on both inbound and outbound demand.

Not sure I quite understand what you're trying to say? If the AUD drops then it's because the USD and Euro (predominantly) are gaining strength after losing a great deal of value through the GFC. If those currencies gain value while the AUD drops then we will see increased tourist numbers from the USA and Europe. There is statistical and historical evidence of these trends...

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 18):
VA dont really have the aircraft availale. The 77W fleet is small, and unlikely to be expanded, and the A332 would need to go via Asia. There really are not many options to route a flight through Asia to AUH, without substantial competitive pressure being encountered. The best bet is for increased EY flights, but thats doubtful also for some time to come.

IMO any further longer haul (ie outside Asia) expansion for VA will come with new aircraft down the track. A fleet of 787s (both -8 and -9) would be ideal for them size and range allowing them to fly across the Pacific, to the Middle East, into Asia and perhaps into Europe while keeping costs well down. I imagine that it wouldn't be too hard to sell the 77Ws off in 8-10 years if they decide to compete using smaller aircraft to more destinations. It's just a waiting game so they will focus on A330s and Asia for now I guess.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7145 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 21):
Not sure I quite understand what you're trying to say? If the AUD drops then it's because the USD and Euro (predominantly) are gaining strength after losing a great deal of value through the GFC. If those currencies gain value while the AUD drops then we will see increased tourist numbers from the USA and Europe. There is statistical and historical evidence of these trends...

Its not always that simple. Economics is not always so cut and dry.

If the Carbon tax has very adverse effects, or mining boom fail to fire enough to sustain other parts of our economy, then it will see the $AUD come under pressure. Dollar fluctuations do not only occur because of the global economy suddenly ramping back up to life, but has many other factors involved on a local level. There is major demand for outbound travel at the moment due to favourable conditions, but any change to that equation may not see the reduction in that travel type replaced like for like by Inbound travel demand. It is often abit more complex than that.

Europe and the US both have huge hurdles to overcome before they are serious contenders for major growth in travel demand again.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 21):
IMO any further longer haul (ie outside Asia) expansion for VA will come with new aircraft down the track. A fleet of 787s (both -8 and -9) would be ideal for them size and range allowing them to fly across the Pacific, to the Middle East, into Asia and perhaps into Europe while keeping costs well down. I imagine that it wouldn't be too hard to sell the 77Ws off in 8-10 years if they decide to compete using smaller aircraft to more destinations. It's just a waiting game so they will focus on A330s and Asia for now I guess.

LIkely a good move too. Time will tell.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7118 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 6):
maybe Air Canada might come back to MEL

I think with the arrival of some of the 37 787s starting in 2 years or so, YVR-MEL would be expected.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7111 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 22):
Its not always that simple. Economics is not always so cut and dry.

If the Carbon tax has very adverse effects, or mining boom fail to fire enough to sustain other parts of our economy, then it will see the $AUD come under pressure. Dollar fluctuations do not only occur because of the global economy suddenly ramping back up to life, but has many other factors involved on a local level. There is major demand for outbound travel at the moment due to favourable conditions, but any change to that equation may not see the reduction in that travel type replaced like for like by Inbound travel demand. It is often abit more complex than that.

Europe and the US both have huge hurdles to overcome before they are serious contenders for major growth in travel demand again.

This is getting way off topic and I'm not sure I can be bothered to keep debating this point tbh. The fact remains that the rest of the world will bounce back, and when they do our dollar will go down in value as theirs increase. This will result in inbound numbers going back up. We have no experience of this situation for outbound traffic (ie it's never happened before) but the rise of LCCs suggests to me that numbers won't necessarily drop a whole heap as the general population will still be able to afford international traffic even at future costs.

All speculation, of course, but we will see...


25 brad330 : what about QF MEL-NRT 3XW, MEL-CNS-NRT 4XW
26 tayser : That's not a fact, you're blowing (simplistic) hot air. When the rest of the world "bounces back" to use your words, it means that consumers in the U
27 IndianicWorld : Brad330, don't hold your breath on that one. Mr Joyce has made it fairly clear how it feels about starting routes from MEL afterall. Even JQ hasn't be
28 Post contains links qfa787380 : Add GA as likely to increase MEL services as per this article: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...rline/story-e6frg95x-1226099315428
29 IndianicWorld : ^^ Good news. I can definitely see some growth potential into CGK. After years of stagnation, GA are definately moving things into higher gears now.
30 Post contains links tayser : http://airlineroute.net/2011/07/22/ek-w11-update1/ EK406/407 "expected" to go 380 in March 2012.
31 IndianicWorld : ^^ If it comes true, great, but its almost been as frustrating as the whole AI MEL experience. I guess we will have to wait for actual confirmation fr
32 Flyingsottsman : yeah fair point, and yes time does move on, but for us MEL spottters would love to see those airliners back. With Alan Joyce at the helm, dont bank o
33 ZK-NBT : 9/11 I think, and it was via HNL. Did JQ also do MEL-HNL? There doesn't seem to be to much demand for MEL-HNL but maybe MEL-YVR non stop with a 787 c
34 Post contains links tayser : stats from Aviation statistics on www.bitre.gov.au Year ended June 1998 MEL: 2,407,826 BNE: 2,270,089 OOL: 16,465 Year ended December 2010 MEL: 5,872,
35 Post contains images tayser : breakdown of the main non-stop (with a few exceptions) international routes into and out of MEL MEL-AKL NZ 2x daily (772/763/77W/320 - frequencies/air
36 connies4ever : Agree 9/11. Lots of discretionary biz travel dried up then. At the time, thy were serving YYZ-HNL-MEL and YVR-HNL-SYD with 763s, with coordinated arr
37 zizou : UL has not been mentioned here. i think they are a possibility of coming to Melbourne. They used to get good loads when they flew here last and Melbou
38 6thfreedom : Correct. services were announced august 2001, and commenced Nov 2001. we all know what happended in sept 2001... s11 and ansett collapse. AC operated
39 Dizzy777 : MEL suffers from SYD syndrome, while additional carriers and flights to new destinations would always be welcome, the airport itself has been leasing
40 IndianicWorld : ^^ Ummm... Sorry, but theres not one bit of truth to that. All airports in this country are looking at ways to use the land they have in the more prof
41 IndianicWorld : A couple of additional frequencies to list: It also has an extra daily frequency seasonally (total 2 X daily) An extra weekly frequency is added seaso
42 DavidByrne : AR was flying to AKL prior to the Falklands War (ie around 1980-ish), but stopped when the war broke out. I was unaware that they served MEL as well,
43 IndianicWorld : ^^ After looking at Wiki, I see that they did fly here ,commencing lights on the 2nd December, 1980. Cant see how it was ever going to work back then,
44 qf002 : Maybe a same plane A332 MEL-PER-JNB? SA have indicated that they would consider sending A332s to PER in the low season, so the plane can certainly do
45 IndianicWorld : Cant see it happening. Without local traffic rights on the domestic sectors (PER-MEL-PER), its harder for it to work. A local carrier could atleast h
46 qf002 : Sorry I meant VA!! I'm not very good at specifying what airline I'm talking about!! So it kills two birds with one stone - international standard wid
47 Post contains images IndianicWorld : ^^ Np. That makes more sense It would be a good compromise, but yields will still likely be an issue.
48 VH-BZF : My understanding is that Cathay Pacific plan to de-link their HKG-ADL-MEL service, operating direct flights into and out of Adelaide. Then Melbourne w
49 tayser : gotta laugh......... at Qantas...... if that comes to fruition.
50 IndianicWorld : 4 daily non-stop services to MEL? Amazing. Would be a big move. Sounds like they may be predicting a pull out of QF on European capacity, with the rem
51 6thfreedom : I suspect that the delinking may be on a seasonal basis - during the northern winter peak. unlikely that ADL can sustain faily non-stop services, so
52 IndianicWorld : ^^ I would suspect that ADL would be reduced, maybe back to 3-4 weekly, but seasonal increases would definately be possible.
53 qf002 : I guess the decision comes down to frequency vs convenience. Are they better off having fewer direct flights or more indirect flights? My guess is fe
54 IndianicWorld : ^^ Totally agree. J demand will definately come into it. The existing MEL-ADL-HKG gives it the best chance of maximising capacity into ADL and MEL. Ma
55 tullamarine : Sounds like overkill. Surely a more economical way of CX to increase capacity into MEL would be to upscale one of the services to something larger th
56 IndianicWorld : ^^ It does seem like overkill, but CX seem to love their frequencies, in place of larger planes. The ability to offer services across the day, to meet
57 VH-BZF : You're right, but an article in AA recently if I remember rightly, stated that CX were able to increase capacity to Australia with 77W's in the futur
58 tayser : Yep, I agree - the mainland Chinese carriers are rapidly approaching more daily seats directly into mainland China than what CX currently flies into H
59 qf002 : 1. A 77W wouldn't be a big jump in capacity - only about 40 seats (10 of which would be F/J) 2. CX don't want F on its Australian flights (and all 77
60 tayser : which begs the question: where would they place a 4th daily on MEL's schedule? 134 7:40am 104 2:20pm 168 11:45pm a midday departure? no point having a
61 qf002 : Going by SYD I'd say a late morning departure to parallel the 1005?
62 6thfreedom : you need to look at it in both directions, ie what's the most suitable departure time ex-HKG to MEL to maximise connections: CX 163 HKG 10:10 MEL 22:
63 Post contains links tayser : http://airlineroute.net/2011/07/28/cz-canmel-w11/ roll on, roll on...
64 smi0006 : Speaking to a member of the CZ sales team in Melbourne, their eventual goal is for 3 daily flights into Melbourne and Sydney. Looks like they are well
65 Post contains images IndianicWorld : ^^ Very good points raised about the 77W and 744 in CXs fleet, and the airlines desire not to operate F into Australia. It limits their opportunities
66 IndianicWorld : With TT likely to get back to the skies next month, in a rumored smaller form, what effect do people consider this have on both MEL and AVV? Do people
67 Post contains links tayser : http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...-fray/story-e6frg95x-1226113384927 MEL-HNL MEL-BNE
68 tayser : next question is: which domestic terminal are they going to use?
69 IndianicWorld : T3 would likely be the only choice, but even that could be an issue. I would say the same gate as Skywest use, but theres access issues for TT flight
70 eaglefarm4 : Melbourne airport have been aware of these details for quite a few months and have arranged parking.
71 qf002 : I find it so hilarious that the article is basically a summary of what a.net has been on about for the past 6 months... Will be good to see how they
72 Post contains links smi0006 : Garuda increasing services to Mel according to: http://airlineroute.net/2011/08/16/ga-w11update1/ Jakarta – Melbourne eff 06DEC11 Increase from 3 we
73 IndianicWorld : ^^ It's good to see that they have finally increased frequency on that route. Has taken a while, especially when SYD went from the same (3 x weekly) t
74 smi0006 : Yes two additional carousels are being opened totally 7, AQIS screening is also being moved outside the current bluestone wall which forms the arriva
75 IndianicWorld : ^^ Interesting. That went against what I had been advised in the past, but its god to hear. The additional carousels are very much needed. Won't that
76 smi0006 : Sorry I explained that incorrectly, they will be adding a section outside the wall this will expand AQIS screen and there will be a reorganisation of
77 qf002 : MEL to NRT please VC.
78 IndianicWorld : Still struggling to picture it all, but if it ends up giving more light and room to that area, go for it. Ive felt for a while, and was advised at on
79 smi0006 : Yes please! Love for them to be creative, maybe take some ex-EK A345 and fly to MEL-JNB MEL-YVR.... ahh yes only in the land were airlines are run fo
80 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Isnt there business plan already risky enough ? I dont mind the terminal masterplan, but I do worry about the overall length of it all when its compl
81 qfa787380 : Would be great to re-open the observation lounge. That's all I really need!
82 IndianicWorld : Great point. The Obseration deck was always a great place to go. Unfortunately though, given the price of airport parking these days, not sure it wou
83 qfa787380 : And the new International terminal wouldn't give a great view of many of the parked planes. But seriously, the observation deck could have been retai
84 IndianicWorld : True. It, like many around the globe, remains closed though due to 'security reasons'. Its a pity that there are now really no great terminal viewing
85 eaglefarm4 : Melbourne July figures show 12% international growth to 580,000 but domestic lost 1 % due to no Tiger.1,800,000 domestic pax.Tiger does make a conside
86 IndianicWorld : Really not unexpected. When you lose a hubbed carrier, operating the vast majority of their network through one airport, its bound to happen. It may
87 VH-BZF : Have heard that VA are looking at MEL-HNL & MEL-HKG & a through flight from SYD-AUH and onto LHR. They would need many more B777's to make the
88 tayser : HNL and HKG = 330 territory, which Mr Borghetti seems to be quite fond of. 77Ws on HNL: disaster waiting to happen. HKG, less so.[Edited 2011-08-19 05
89 IndianicWorld : ^^ Can't see them on MEL-HNL, but given their moves to partner with HA you never know. I would be worried if I was VC though at that prospect. MEL-HKG
90 tayser : MEL-HKG on a 330 could probably go gangbusters on O&D alone. Hong Kong, Macau and the greater Guandong region of mainland China has around........
91 Post contains links smi0006 : Interesting to note looks like VC will be dedicating their next A330 to BNE-HNL and MEL-HNL with both being increased to three weekly. As per 19AUG11
92 eaglefarm4 : The next 332 is the one due 15sep and will do 2 BNE-HNL and 2 MEL-HNL .It may also do BNE-HKT extra flight and MEL-HKT extra flight.These extra HKT ha
93 Post contains images IndianicWorld : True, its easy to forget just how large that region is Remember though that CZ is rapidly increasing its presence into MEL from CAN, which is also qu
94 smi0006 : This would be surprising since they have already loaded the third weekly HNL service for march, would HKT not have to be in reservations very soon if
95 qf002 : I think that all deliveries are straight from Airbus, not sure who VC is leasing them from though. So they should be fitted out with the same interio
96 IndianicWorld : Looks like CX are making changes on their MEL and ADL services. Hong Kong – Adelaide CX173 HKG1920 – 0625+1ADL 330 357 CX174 ADL0745 – 1430HKG 3
97 Post contains images VH-BZF : Good to see my source was right! I think if this de-linkage works, look for it to expand to more flights. Cheers BZF (Nearly 10 years since Ansett fi
98 Post contains links IndianicWorld : http://www.melbourneairport.com.au/N...irport-Stakeholder-Event-2011.html A transcript of a speech made at the Melbourne Airport Stakeholder Event, wh
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