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Official: AA Order 460 Airbus And Boeing  
User currently offlinemoderators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 514 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59643 times:
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The much anticipated narrowbody order from American Airlines has been announced;

AMR Corporation Announces Largest Aircraft Order in History With Boeing and Airbus

American Airlines to Order 460 Narrowbody Jets to Replace and Transform its Fleet

American expects to create youngest, most fuel-efficient fleet among U.S. industry peers in approximately five years

Agreement includes options and purchase rights for 465 additional aircraft through 2025

American to be first U.S. network carrier to take delivery of Airbus A320neo Family aircraft and first airline to commit to Boeing's expected new 737 family offering

FORT WORTH, Texas, July 20, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- AMR Corporation (NYSE: AMR), the parent company of American Airlines and American Eagle, today announced landmark agreements with Airbus and Boeing that will allow it to replace and transform American's narrowbody fleet over five years and solidify its fleet plan into the next decade. These new aircraft will allow American to reduce its operating and fuel costs and deliver state-of-the-art amenities to customers, while maximizing financial flexibility for the Company.

Under the new agreements, American plans to acquire 460 narrowbody, single-aisle aircraft from the Boeing 737 and Airbus A320 families beginning in 2013 through 2022 – the largest aircraft order in aviation history. As part of these agreements, starting in 2017 American will become the first network U.S. airline to begin taking delivery of "next generation" narrowbody aircraft that will further accelerate fuel-efficiency gains.

These new deliveries are expected to pave the way for American to have the youngest and most fuel-efficient fleet among its U.S. airline peers in approximately five years.

American also will benefit from approximately $13 billion of committed financing provided by the manufacturers through lease transactions that will help maximize balance sheet flexibility and reduce risk. The financing fully covers the first 230 deliveries.


* 100 737NG family beginning 2013

* 100 737RE family beginning 2017 - global launch customer

* 130 A320 family beginning 2013

* 130 A320NEO family beginning 2017 - U.S. launch customer

Source: American Airlines

What a day - enjoy the discussion!


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6631 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59725 times:

Well, I ll repeat , ......AA president on CNBC at 7:40


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User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1585 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59657 times:

So AA bought everything apart from the C Series

Well done to both Airbus and Boeing but Airbus must be the happier here.

Are we expecting a press conference from Boeing to put flesh on the 737RE program?



BV
User currently offline14ccKemiskt From Sweden, joined Nov 2010, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59640 times:

Press release from Airbus

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...s-260-airbus-a320-family-aircraft/


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13763 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59710 times:
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Someone asked for an artist rendering...here ya go:




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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4981 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59555 times:
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Quoting moderators (Thread starter):
What a day

Indeed, what a day. This is enormous news with the largest airplane order in history, the breakthrough for Airbus in the AA-NB fleet, the introduction of the B737NG-RE, AA taking 465 options (100 Boeing, 365 Airbus). It is all almost unbelievable.       .


User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59535 times:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AMR-Co...es-prnews-3494254702.html?x=0&.v=1

According to this they are not only replacing the MD80's and 757's but also the 767-200!!!!!

-m

  


User currently onlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7190 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59401 times:

I just question AA's ability to pay for all of these planes. Yes, they will be more efficient, but the money still has to be there to pay for them. The only ones who can finance them are the manufacturers; I doubt any financial institution would touch them with a 100 foot pole. Both A & B want to sell the planes badly enough to finance them themselves. But this is a huge blow to Boeing; losing over half the order to Airbus says to me that Boeing is in trouble.


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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59384 times:

Quoting 14ccKemiskt (Reply 3):
Press release from Airbus

It does not seem to mention the options. An interesting point is that the article says that even the non-NEOs will have sharklets...


User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59376 times:

Quoting moderators (Thread starter):
100 737NG family beginning 2013

Including 3 previously exercised options.

Quoting moderators (Thread starter):
100 737RE family beginning 2017 - global launch customer

No order or anything tangible at all. The press release pretty much says they'll look at it once Boeing has worked it out: "American also intends to order 100 of Boeing's expected new evolution of the 737NG, with a new engine that would offer even more significant fuel-efficiency gains over today's models. "



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9518 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59384 times:

and really loving today's news ...

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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11979 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59396 times:

Correction from previous discussion: AMR will not be the U.S. launch customer for the A320NEO, but rather the U.S. network carrier launch customer. Apologies.

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59230 times:

Wow, incredible, this order is bigger than expected. This puts AA at the top of US airlines on the domestic market. And not surprisingly its a split order from the once Boeing diehards.
The things that surprise me are the fact that Airbus got much more than 50% of the order, and the high number of orders for the current, and after more than 20 years production one can rightfully say old, A320 model. Also that so many "old" 737NGs are in the mix. Surely this order reaching over one and a half decades of deliveries will be modified over time.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59227 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 4):
Someone asked for an artist rendering...here ya go:

I did. Looks great, well done.

Now I wonder if DL, UA and WN are going to go back and look at ordering more narrowbodies.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4981 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59234 times:
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Quoting 14ccKemiskt (Reply 3):
Press release from Airbus

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...raft/

There is no mentioning of the number of options AA has taken. But nevertheless this is very good news for Boeing, and extremely good news for Airbus.  .

I will drink to that when I am home from the office.  .


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59219 times:

The other thread was closed, so let me just repeat what I wrote there: this was a well-deserved kick in the balls for Boeing. Athough I still believe 737RE is a waste of time and money - they should offer AA exclusivity on the new narrowbody.

Congratulations to Airbus Industrie for their awesome job. A fine example of exceptional salesmanship from John Leahy.



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User currently offlinesaloman From Canada, joined Jun 2011, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59206 times:

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 7):
I just question AA's ability to pay for all of these planes.

A massive aircraft order is nice way to cover up a Q2 Loss of $286 million isn't it?


User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59212 times:

Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 9):
No order or anything tangible at all. The press release pretty much says they'll look at it once Boeing has worked it out: "American also intends to order 100 of Boeing's expected new evolution of the 737NG, with a new engine that would offer even more significant fuel-efficiency gains over today's models. "

Agreed, this is a very soft wording, while the Airbus order seems to be firm.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11979 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59211 times:

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 7):
I just question AA's ability to pay for all of these planes. Yes, they will be more efficient, but the money still has to be there to pay for them. The only ones who can finance them are the manufacturers; I doubt any financial institution would touch them with a 100 foot pole.
"American also will benefit from approximately $13 billion of committed financing provided by the manufacturers through lease transactions that will help maximize balance sheet flexibility and reduce risk. The financing fully covers the first 230 deliveries."


User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59209 times:

I posted something similar in the other thread, but really it deserves to be repeated.

This order is just huge for Airbus. Potentially the only more significant win would have been WN. The days of major public airlines ordering planes because of anything but economics are pretty much over...except perhaps in China.


User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59011 times:

Great news on both sides of the Atlantic today.

BUT

Interesting how this matches up with US's A320 fleet and the existing old 737's. I am just saying this makes an AA - US tie up more in line with types of aircraft.

BP1



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User currently offlinea380900 From France, joined Dec 2003, 1118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59013 times:

I thought the A320 (Neo or otherwise) was sold out until 2018. What gives?

User currently offlinewale03 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 58991 times:

Wow,what an order by AA

User currently offlinemdword1959 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59007 times:

Interesting times indeed. Hopefully the "commoditization" of commercial aircraft works out better than the so-called commoditization of residential real estate in the US.   

User currently offlineslinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 859 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 59032 times:

Congrats to Airbus, 260 firm to 100 firm is a big gap. Also, a huge number of options. That's 1,200 320 NEO orders and commitments in the year so far, amazing!

Be great to see what Boeing does with the 737 when that comes, but as good as press releasing Boeing news on that, just sketchy on the what for now.

Quoting LH422 (Reply 8):
It does not seem to mention the options. An interesting point is that the article says that even the non-NEOs will have sharklets...

All 320s from late 2012 will have sharklets, not just the NEO.


25 joffie : Fantastic news. Well done to both boeing and airbus, and AA.
26 na : Plenty of time to adjust the production output until then.
27 14ccKemiskt : So, Boeing starts to sell a plane they haven't yet finalized or made public. Soon, similar orders from the others will roar in... My guess in this cas
28 tropical : I see the 'classic' A320s ordered will all feature sharklets as well... But was it an option in the first place, or will all classic A320s have them a
29 par13del : Based on the expert comments in the mixed order thread on the flexibility that multiple a/c types bring to route planning and optimization for large c
30 BlueSky1976 : Flightblogger is reporting that Airbus is likely to raise the monthly A32X production rate to 60 frames. Boeing will more than likely do the same.
31 commavia : Absolutely. Boeing obviously bent over backwards to sell AMR a paper airplane under pressure to keep AMR's massive business. BCA's Albaugh said it hi
32 MillwallSean : Thats a shocker. Airbus scores big here. I didnt see it coming despite the last two days rumours. I thought no way AA would not order Boeing. I guess
33 commavia : The press release repeatedly emphasizes the ability AMR has with both manufacturers to mix and match which aircraft configurations within each family
34 jpetekYXMD80 : Regarding the soft wording for Boeing, i'd imagine it's hard to 'order' a product (concept) that has not been given the green light from Boeing themse
35 SASMD82 : Finally a US carrier that will replace its Boeing 757!!! How long will Delta and United fly these birds? A shame that the MD-80 will dissappear but it
36 Post contains images 14ccKemiskt : You are right, of course. I meant that it was "dead" this time around. Now, we'll have to wait until somtime around 2025. But THEN...
37 JBirdAV8r : Unless I failed basic math (and I didn't) 130 + 130 = 260, 100 + 100 = 200.
38 commavia : Horton on CNBC: * "Transformational deal" * "Youngest fleet among U.S. peers within about 5 years" * "What could Boeing have done to get the whole ord
39 Post contains images keesje : “American also intends to order 100 of Boeing’s expected new evolution of the 737NG, with a new engine that would offer even more significant fuel
40 PlaneInsomniac : At the risk of repeating myself, but given the sheer level of hairsplitting that Airbus orders are normally subjected to in these forums: - it's not a
41 PlaneInsomniac : As a matter of fact, only 97 new firm orders for Boeing. The rest is vague marketing fluff. Search for "will take delivery" in the press release and
42 Post contains images EPA001 : Well, the fact that they are now adapting the strategy with which Airbus has been so enormously successful lately is a clear sign for this. it is a h
43 727LOVER : On CNBC, that first dude seemed to just seemed to be annoyed that they ordered Airbus.[Edited 2011-07-20 04:55:23]
44 rwSEA : Great day for all parties involved. Really a good move by AA to diversify a bit - Boeing doesn't have a defined narrowbody replacement/improvement pro
45 a380900 : Is AA right to commit to 230 "old gen" narrowbody? I mean if the next gen "kills" the old, why would they do that? Are they desperate for plane?
46 mabadia71 : Congratulation to both Airbus and Boeing, it's gonna be nice to see an Airbus in silver again. I can almost assure you that IB it's not gonna buy a 73
47 jetmatt777 : The "old-gen" A320 is still far more fuel efficient than the MD80 series, and they will also, according to the press release, be the first US carrier
48 metalinyoni : It will be interesting to see the fine print when (if it ever does) comes to light in respect of; are the 97 NG's and the 130 OEO exchangable with th
49 Eightball : This order is a testament to the fact that Airbus has increased its foothold in the U.S. airline industry. I'll miss the MD-80.[Edited 2011-07-20 05:5
50 Kngkyle : Even the "old gen" is leaps ahead of the MD80s that they will be replacing. They want to get rid of the fuel guzzlers asap and the only way to do tha
51 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Delighted to note that my sources were 100% bang on the money - and as for AA ordering Airbus - I'm absolutely delighted to be proven wrong. This is a
52 racko : According to flightblogger: "formal authority to offer the aircraft sometime between late September and late December.", regarding the 737TBD. So tha
53 Post contains links scbriml : There are a number of interesting nuances in what's happened today, if you read between the lines. 1 - The Airbus order is FIRM. http://www.airbus.co
54 slcdeltarumd11 : Will AA find anyone to buy some maddogs? Allegiant?
55 Post contains images KFlyer : Well isn't this really crazy ? I absolutely don't get the equation here. A 'CCC' rated airline orders 465 aircraft. Let's say that's ok. But from BOTH
56 Post contains images EPA001 : Plus 100 B737-NG-RE options and 365 A32X-NEO options. .
57 racko : Me too. It brought a bit of diversity to the airports. Pretty soon all we're gonna see is 737 (-lookalikes), and A300-lookalikes, save for the occasi
58 keesje : Jim Albaugh's “good meeting” with American Airlines a week ago must have been interesting.
59 fleabyte : as a B fan, and an AA Exec Platinum, this is a dark day, more freaking rattly A320 to have to sit on, ugh. But congratulations to Airbus, as they cont
60 skymiler : Since DL does not mind getting older aircraft (e.g. MD-90) at rock bottom prices, maybe they will grab a few of the newest and best AA MD-80's as the
61 commavia : Two other observations/comments on today's news: * Interesting that it seems to have been Horton, not Arpey, handling all the interviews and the media
62 Post contains links and images kmz : This item in the AA press release makes me wonder if Airbus does also redesign the cabin interior to some extend: "The A320 Family features cabin inte
63 Carls : It was this or having AA ordering 463 planes from Airbus. Great movement from Boeing trying to protect one of their most emblematic customers. For Ai
64 Kngkyle : I agree. The 465 neo options look to be a replacement for all of their 737s. Almost as if they intend to have an all airbus narrowbody fleet in the f
65 Post contains images EPA001 : I think this is a highly likely interpretation of the events. . As they (AA) have confirmed themselves. Both offers were too sweet to let go. Yup, 10
66 A388 : Wow, I never would have thought that AA would go for the A320, that is great news!!! Congratulations to AA, Airbus and Boeing of course!!! I know it m
67 acjflyer : Congratulations American! Hearing that American ordered so many Airbus Aircraft was the perfect way to start my day!
68 Post contains images EPA001 : Well, when it comes to build quality and rattles I believe Airbus to be better (in my experience) then the products from Boeing. But that is just my
69 max550 : Congratulations to American, Airbus and Boeing, great to see more new planes flying in the US.[Edited 2011-07-20 05:12:51]
70 RayChuang : However, the Airbus press release didn't say what engines will power the AA A320neo's. Will it be the PW1100G? Or will be CFM International's LEAP-X e
71 crAAzy : I think I'm most excited about the prospect of AA getting 737-700s and A319s and what that's going to mean for many of those mid-size markets.
72 Post contains images incitatus : Where did you get that idea??? It makes not much sense. Here is a better line-up for American: 787/77W/A380
73 Nimish : This should be a day of grief at Boeing HQ - they've let one of their major "exclusive" customers switch so strongly to the other camp. I can imagine
74 Post contains links fpetrutiu : Where did you see that? BOEING: 100 firm NG's with 40 options 100 firm RE's with 60 options http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1845
75 alitalia744 : The amazing part of this all is that you all seem more focused on celebrating Airbus' win and Boeing's loss vs. looking at the bigger picture here - A
76 columba : With what aircraft would you replace a 767-200 today ? A330/787/A350 are too big, so that leaves only the 737-900ER or A321(NEO)
77 14ccKemiskt : And then the B717. To me, the DC9-derivatives are still the most comfortable NB AC around.
78 Garpd : This, folks, is the kick in the teeth I think Boeing needed to make a decision. They may have been given a piece of the pie, but my gues it is only be
79 TeamInTheSky : I doubt it Chris, not by AA. Maybe DL or UA. Nevertheless, the bookies would certianly increase the chances than a month ago though Even though I hop
80 Post contains links LH422 : The 365 Airbus options are in the press release: http://www.aa.com/i18n/amrcorp/newsr...p?v_locale=en_US&v_mobileUAFlag=AA
81 Post contains images mdword1959 : He may have even had to pony up more than the $6B in "preferential financing" that Airbus is allegedly offering in order to "secure" fewer orders. So
82 Post contains links and images EPA001 : AA have stated this: This can be found in the AA mediaroom: http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3286 So 100 Boeing options and 365 Airbus
83 14ccKemiskt : To him, it maybe was a victory. Maybe Boeing feared the worst and thought that they might lose the entire order.
84 metalinyoni : Are Airbus past the 1000 NEO orders yet?
85 atnight : WOW.... Congrats to Airbus, because this is a HUGE win for them. Boeing has a consolation price, nothing more. I'm glad to see that American opened up
86 Post contains images scbriml : If you want to be really pedantic, it's Airbus 260, Boeing 0 (since none of the Boeing 'order' is yet firm). I'm sure you'll get over it! The 'word o
87 fpetrutiu : Thanks, completely missed that! What about these? "In addition, American has plans to acquire 42 state-of-the-art Boeing 787 Dreamliners, to be deliv
88 davidlc3 : May seem like a silly question but how exactly do you schedule and deploy two fleets that are for all intents and purposes the same? A 737 and 320 wil
89 ckfred : Here's what I don't get. AA will have 260 Airbuses and 330 737s. Just think how much AA could save on training, parts, and labor, if the entire order
90 Post contains images EPA001 : A bit off topic, but I thought these were announced as MoU also, but a very long time ago, but they were never firmed up. Now they will be. .
91 EPA001 : AA have stated that no OEM could deliver all the airplanes they wanted in the time-frame AA has set for them to deliver them. They had no choice to s
92 fpetrutiu : I don't think it is all that much, if the ratio would have been more, it would be more of a questions mark. I think they will just have A320 bases an
93 FlyPNS1 : Unless AA gets it's financial house in order, many of these aircraft orders will never see the light of day. Unlike many, I don't get real excited abo
94 washingtonian : Congrats to all the parties involved! I hope all of these aircraft will be delivered with wifi installed! Also, can the A-321NEO replace the 757 on TA
95 gemuser : No they are a very long delayed order placed years ago and deferred. Gemuser
96 Post contains images commavia : Well, all in all, I'd say arguably the biggest single piece of news (excepting the events of 9/11, of course) from AMR since the TWA acquisition, whic
97 Post contains images SASDC8 : WOW!!! What an amazing order by AA and congratulation to Boeing, AA and especially Airbus! I must admit that I never thought I would see AA order Airb
98 Asiaflyer : AAs pressrelease says in total 465 options. So if 100 options are with Boeing........ A great order by AA for finally trying to turn the corner, with
99 Post contains images ZKNCL : Wow, this is amazing. Congratulations for AA, Boeing (Long live the spirit of MDC inside ) but most of all AIRBUS! Does this mean AA will become the w
100 fpetrutiu : Not quite, but is AA flying their 757's TATL???? I did not know that.
101 JoeCanuck : Wow...what an amazing deal. Good job by Airbus to get into the AA fleet and getting the larger slice of the pie. What a clever, strategic move by AA..
102 BMIFlyer : Wow!! This is amazing news!! I'm impressed - AA coming back to Airbus. I must say the A320 family will look great in AA colours! Lee
103 AAIL86 : Yes...I agree 100% with that statement. 2-3 is most passenger friendly narrowbody seating configuration around.
104 cv990coronado : William Mcpherson Allen must be turning in his grave. What has happened to the great company he ran so well for so many years? Since Boeing bought Mc
105 atnight : I hate to tell you the truth, but those numbers are way off! How can Boeing be counting 100 737RE as firm orders? Come on, the aircraft is not even o
106 justloveplanes : The size of this order is interesting and the mix in itself. Is a new American Airlines with a new business model in the offing? More like an LCC?
107 crAAzy : The both the 737-700 and A319 in a two class configuration will fall directly into the 100-120 seat category.
108 Asiaflyer : A production increase from 40 to 60 per month for both manufacturers will produce about 480 extra NB per year, which is enough to cover for the whole
109 fun2fly : My interpretation of the AA fleet at the end of the delivery of the NEO units (scheduled to beging in 2017): AA has 156 737NG's with 51 on order alrea
110 caljn : I am in complete agreement. Someone should be made to pay for the foot dragging on a NB upgrade and the delay plagued 787 program. A word about the 7
111 crAAzy : Another thought that just occurred to me ... if AA is going to replace it's 762 on transcons they sure better include a good IFE product to remain com
112 Flying-Tiger : Nope, the 737s are not firm as per Boeing: Surprised that nobody did pick up this one: Correct me if I´m wrong, but at the moment AA only has Boeing
113 Post contains images excalibur : Incredible day for aviation enthusiasts !! First of all, what did AA is HUGE... And I am very happy that they finally go with Airbus... That is a grea
114 Post contains images scbriml : Read the PR you linked to - none of AA's Boeing order is yet firm. If you count the options correctly, as per AA's PR, then the picture is very diffe
115 Post contains images EPA001 : If they are firmed up, which has not happened yet. So far Airbus does have 130 A32X-OEO + 130 A32X-NEO firm orders. And you leave out the 365 options
116 LipeGIG : Crazy would be just wait for the 'D' rating. AA have severe disadvantages over other carriers and one of the few items they can get some advantage is
117 Giancavia : wow some bitterness not being hidden well by some people here. Congrats to American, Airbus and Boeing. You gotta love when the trash that is so often
118 ytz : A split order, as I expected (and got excorciated for by some Boeing and Airbus die-hards in the previous threads). What surprises me here are two thi
119 Atrude777 : True...something AA and everyone seems to be forgetting... The agreements with Boeing and Airbus will continue American's fleet simplification effort
120 FlyPNS1 : I don't see AA becoming an LCC. Their costs are higher than most full service network carriers, nevermind LCC's. DL's A319 seats 126 and the DL 73G s
121 JoeCanuck : Neither maker can hit 60/month for years to come...perhaps as long as 5 years or so down the road. At the moment, both are just over 30. Boeing has a
122 metalinyoni : Are some of the NEO's and RE's going to replace the NG and OEO? so that the net effect of this order wont be 460 but will be less?
123 brilondon : Are you forgetting the large fleet of long-haul aircraft on their roster? Most LCC's don't see the light of day with a mix fleet as it is against the
124 airtran737 : Boeing needs to look in the mirror and realize how much the 787 has just screwed them Their inability to effectively engineer and deliver an aircraft
125 CHRISBA777ER : I meant at DL mate. AA wont order anything larger than a 77W. I share your sentiments. One too many bad experiences with AA in the past - same for DL
126 metalinyoni : AA's responsibility is to its shareholders customer and employees. not the wider economy. Boeing has the same responsibilities and if you are a share
127 divemaster08 : To me this is Boeings' loss, They continue to upgrade a product that originally came back in the 60s...... Its no wonder why airlines are jumping ship
128 RWA380 : I would love to see AA change their livery some. Obviously can't do brushed metal fuselage with composite skin but something a bit more stylish, after
129 columba : Well many American jobs are secured by this order as well, many American workers contribute to the A32x family as well. American placed a mixed order
130 Post contains links JoeCanuck : It seems pretty definite to me... http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3286 Considering that the RE isn't yet officially released for sale
131 ytz : I'd really have my doubts, if I was stockholder of either OEM. Both of them are taking on riskier customers by the day to sell their wares. And in th
132 Post contains links rheinwaldner : Congratulations to AA, Airbus and Boeing! Great, really really great news! Unbelievable things happened. Here is a place where you find nice examples:
133 Post contains links Dakota : Some nice official picture renderings of Airbus A319's and A321's (neo's) can be found on this site: http://www.luchtvaartfoto.nl/item/83...:_300_Boei
134 D L X : It IS interesting, isn't it? But unlike what it seems most people on A.net think, a good merger is not a good merger just because the fleets line up.
135 TeamInTheSky : And you made that very clear in your original post, sorry I missed it Chris! I hope my near and dear DL doesn't let you down! Good luck with AA if yo
136 Post contains images delimit : This wasn't due to the 787 at all. This was Boeing playing Chicken with their customers. They wanted to wait until they were 100% clear on what narro
137 Post contains images Gonzalo : I found amazing how AA can walk from Chapter 11 to the biggest aircraft order in history in a relatively short period of time... Despite the manufactu
138 DLPMMM : Wrong engines...not fuel efficient enough. What most people don't realize is that the MD-90s have a very good CASM, much better than the MD-80 and ab
139 JoeCanuck : Of course I still think the same...nothing has happened that would force me to change my opinion. Half of the orders are for the current models and s
140 B777LRF : I for one am a tad wary over the 737RE LoI. I can't quite recall the last time a major airline committed to a paper-plane, more artists impression tha
141 flipdewaf : Maybe per seat on some flights but I doubt as a sweeping statement it really flies, the A333 has one of the Lowest CASM around. Because thats what AA
142 runway23 : It also fits with jetBlue, I give more chance to a merger with jetBlue than US.
143 DLPMMM : AA has never been in Chapter 11.
144 nipoel123 : Don't you guys think this moves DL more to the CSeries? A320NEO sold out to 2018, buy a few more MD-90s, and some 717s, to get rid of the really old p
145 avek00 : Airbus basically got the deal, and Boeing got the few crumbs Airbus can't cater to on account of manufacturing capacity.
146 rl757pvd : Not sure I agree with AA's 3 size only fleet strategy: Small - Eagle -already at a competitive disadvantage with very few larger RJs Medium - All 150-
147 Asiaflyer : I'm not disagreeing with anything you say in your post, nor did I mean that AA should take all frames in one year. My point was that both manufacture
148 aajfksjubklyn : As an ExecPlat myself, AA just lost a customer with any planned 737 or A320's taking me to the west coast once a month...good ridiance and good bye...
149 a380900 : I would date it back to the Sonic Cruiser. That was the moment Boeing lost it to me. They were already late as they had not been working on a new pro
150 justloveplanes : Not sure how much Mulally had to do with the 3 year overrun, maybe some maybe not, but Boeing isn't lighting the world on fire anywhere these last fe
151 Gonzalo : Correct, but was very close in 2002 IIRC as a result of the 9/11 attacks. And the red numbers are more than the blue ones too many times in recent ye
152 Drerx7 : I believe that the current 320s were ordered because it was part of the terms Airbus put forward and more importantly they need them sooner than the
153 LAXtoATL : How is it clear? Without knowing the terms of the deal there is no way to draw that conclusion. You don't know what purchase price was agreed to or w
154 STT757 : UA has been very successful with their 757 PS flights, those too will likely go to 739s. They're talking about domestic aircraft, the 18 757s operati
155 columba : They did, the official statements says that AA can choose between the 737-700 - 737 -900ER and A319 - 321. Will be interesting to see the official br
156 JoeCanuck : I agree they will try but the logistics of doubling their production rates are staggering. Even when they can produce more planes, it is likely that
157 avi8 : So will all the airplanes be delivered within five years? How many are they getting in 2013?
158 Post contains images flipdewaf : I hope they don't put any peas under the seats! Fred[Edited 2011-07-20 07:01:40]
159 jpetekYXMD80 : Ok....so then go fly on someone elses A320, 737 or 757. I cannot imagine how this could come as a shock to you. Surely you have noticed the aircraft
160 Post contains links scbriml : Read the press releases - their orders are for the whole family of A320 and 737 variants. The orders give AA complete freedom to select which exact m
161 avi8 : I also have another question, what variations of the 737are they ordering?
162 Post contains links jdevora : That matches with what is said in this article from Seattle Times Boeing scrambles to avoid losing American Airlines deal to Airbus Cheers JD
163 Post contains images keesje : "It's our judgment that our customers will wait for us, rather than move to an airplane that will obsolete itself when (Airbus) move(s) to a new airpl
164 Revelation : The reality of this is that Boeing missed the chance to be a step ahead of Airbus instead of being in the role of playing catch up. They dithered awa
165 redflyer : Keesje, I've never agreed with a single commentary you've ever made, but I will raise my drink to you on this one. Boeing made an egregious business
166 aajfksjubklyn : This is exactly why I wasn't flying the others, and many others I share these thoughts with..... Atleast if I ply others I will have a larger seat (B
167 jpetekYXMD80 : Well if you're flying in Y, I think we can hope AA will be offering much improved entertainment options in Y on these birds. I know where you're comi
168 OA412 : Most of the replies to this thread have already covered most of what there is to say. This is obviously a great day for AA and Airbus. I agree with th
169 rheinwaldner : Airbus's share of this order did not happen mostly because of the A320NEO? LOL, They could have bought A320OEO since almost 30 years! In case you hav
170 aacun : We just got an ad on our web site explaining the many variants of the 2 models, it shows the 737-700/800/900 comparison in capacity, as well as the A
171 ultrapig : Excuse me if this has already been answered int he myriad of questions. Suppose American or nayoen else has a 737NG whose engiens are at he end of the
172 acjflyer : Clearly the 762 isn't making them enough money for them to be viable. As much as I love the 762 transcon I would rather they put an A321 on the route
173 Baroque : Not to mention the distinct possibility that an A32xNEO order puts more Americans to work than a B73xNG order does.[Edited 2011-07-20 07:10:51]
174 JoeCanuck : With an order of 460 planes, it is impossible, (as AA themselves have said), for one manufacturer to fill the entire order. As it is, AA is ordering
175 Post contains images Jamake1 : From AA's December 2006 Press Release: "American's 15 Boeing 767- 200s are widebody aircraft, which customers prefer to the narrowbody aircraft flown
176 Post contains images Braniff747SP : I knew something was in the works, but that big? From an airline that has not made any money in I don't know how many years? Lots of financing for th
177 qqflyboy : AA currently operates 152 737s, 214 MD-80s, 122 757s and 14 762s. AA 737 orders in the past always included some growth, not just a 1 for 1 replaceme
178 Post contains images SonomaFlyer : Boeing combined the distraction of the 787 issues with McNerney's miscalculation regarding the yearning for an NEO narrow body to put that company in
179 tropical : If the A320NEO could walk on water, some people would complain it's because it can't swim...
180 tsugambler : Why should we hide our true feelings? I am a Boeing fan, I will freely admit it; I like to see Boeing succeed. (This, of course, does not necessarily
181 Cassi : In my opinion this deal is a serious, almost humiliating defeat for the current Boeing management. This hurried decision for the NG-RE launch speaks
182 SolarFlyer22 : Does this order signal the end to widebody TransCon service inside the USA (esp for legacy operators)? I prefer widebodies though I don't care much f
183 dirtyfrankd : Congratulations to American Airlines on taking a very bold step in the right direction! As a very frequent AA flyer and a loyal Aadvantage and OneWorl
184 SRT75 : I guess I'm failing to grasp the economics here. I thought that "long and thin" went out with the 2001 rescession and that the best way to make money
185 PlaneInsomniac : Wait, didn't the stated AA policy until a few hours ago mandate a proportion of 100% Boeing? How are 260 Airbus orders + "maybe" 100 or so Boeing ord
186 Post contains images etops1 : Interesting how this matches up with US's A320 fleet and the existing old 737's. I am just saying this makes an AA - US tie up more in line with types
187 Post contains images Giancavia : For the win^
188 SonomaFlyer : That would be an unmitigated disaster... AA can do just fine by adjusting their route system to maximize the value of hubs like MIA and DFW. The new
189 Blueeagle : I definately believe that having a mixed fleet for a large airline like American makes the most economic sense, with a host of fringe benefits. Well d
190 delimit : DL's timetable was for a decision by the end of the year. I think they are still firmly in play. It is my hope that the 737 re-engine improves the ch
191 AAExecPlat : When is the last time you've been on an A320 and what about the experience was rattly? I have flown the A320 mostly on LH, and have found absolutely
192 kaitak744 : Will the A320s (the original ones) be delivered with the winglets (sharklets)?
193 Post contains images Bralo20 : Yes, the A320 series "OEO" will have sharklets
194 je89_w : Wow, did not see this order coming either! Congrats to AA and Airbus!
195 AA777223 : As someone who used to be a total Boeing freak, I have to say, they deserved to lose this. They have flubbed the 787, floundered on Narrowbody replace
196 Post contains images Markam : Oh man, I can hear the heads roll in Seattle already!
197 AA777223 : I wonder if all of this means that AA will finally sort out their international J class. I know these are narrowbody orders, but they talk about their
198 rheinwaldner : This is not a conclusion AA (the operator) can credibly draw about Boeing or Airbus (the makers). Boeing said they would do everything to keep them a
199 Carls : I am happy for Aibus, Boeing and AA. I am also happy because I got flamed everytime I mentioned that AA was in conversations with Airbus, finally this
200 jpetekYXMD80 : Well, it will have to soon since it' s barely a year until new 77W deliveries. Very interested to see the product decisions made for those aircraft.
201 goldenstate : I don't think it marks any kind of shift in sentiment or strategy. US majors have been flying Airbus products for decades now. Aircraft orders and ex
202 tsugambler : The main reason the A320NEO won over the 737RE is that, as of yet, there IS no 737RE. It hasn't been announced or launched; AA has only said they're
203 Post contains images EPA001 : Most probably imho at least a bit of all of these. The result of that has been announced today by one of the most loyal customers Boeing has, and wil
204 flymia : First WOW! What a big order. But at the same time I think the order is "too big" to get so excited about. Who knows how many and how long it will take
205 JFKPurser : I see this route being given to the A321 purely because the door configuration ends itself naturally to the flexibility of galley and lav placement r
206 Post contains links and images lightsaber : I'm shocked that it took a loss like this to force Boeing to commit to an upgraded narrowbody. Putting 260 Airbus into the AA fleet is most certainly
207 gigneil : I don't know why people are so surprised that by 10+ years from now American might want an additional 90 narrowbodies. I mean, maybe mildly surprised.
208 Post contains images EPA001 : With this order this seems to be the case. But as Boeing will firm up the specs on the B737-NG-RE, they will secure more orders. But the fan diameter
209 JoeCanuck : I never said ordering Airbus wasn't different for AA...I said the ratio of A to B is not so different from recent ratios. Well...that's almost exactl
210 aacun : Im sorry but i have been trying to find where it mentions the A321 or the 737-900 as being configured 3 class and replacing the 767-200. I cant find
211 Post contains images EPA001 : I believe that statement, especially when it is coming from you. .
212 dfwexecplat : Almost all the questions posted on here could have been avoided if ya'll would just read the press releases which explain the #s of a/c, options, deli
213 Post contains images KPDX : Wow, awesomely big order! Really sad that boring 737 NGs and A320s are replacing the MD-80s though! Terrible blow to aviation spotting in the US. Abou
214 jpetekYXMD80 : Are AA going to invade Poland or something?
215 mrskyguy : Big order, yes. Odd order, yes. American's in a brave new world.. I certainly hope they can leverage this enormous debt burden to their advantage. But
216 atnight : The guy obviously is so biased, that you cannot really take him seriously. I think he missed the US A320 ditching in the hudson, which should show a
217 flymia : AA never declared bankruptcy. I guess they are planning that this will save them money. Yes it is! Embarrassing day in US aviation IMO. Boeing is cau
218 aajfksjubklyn : Seriously though, AA is going to loose a lot of good customers because of this.. A single aisle plane to LAX/SFO from JFK and vice versa WAS their di
219 frmrCapCadet : Interersting Hmmmm? And should oil prices hit $150 (per current $s) how many of these will be dilivered. Note the curve of better fuel efficiency fig
220 Post contains images A300 American : Saw all the chatter of the supposed Airbus order these past couple of weeks. Wow, I thought I'd NEVER see the day I would see an American Airlines liv
221 Post contains images Chiad : Oh my .... there's another one coming?!? I bet no one is willing to bet that Airbus wont get a slice of this one too.
222 flyabr : All I can say is wow! Airbus got the majority of this order, what a sad day for Boeing despite AMR floating some orders their way. One has to really w
223 Post contains images Heavierthanair : G´day Markam, any head rolling these days is no longer done in Seattle, this has moved to Chicago! Cheers Peter
224 dfwexecplat : ...And don't forget folks....not only does AA have these 200 recent orders with Boeing for 737, they still have 54 previous orders for 737s to be deli
225 UALWN : Not a good day for Boeing. Or rather not a good week. They seem to have misjudged the narrow-body market badly. Until a couple of weeks ago, they were
226 Post contains images whorsefield : Up to 8 77W orders now too
227 flymia : They know this! AA has not been ran too well lately but they cant be this stupid. I am sure they plan to put widebodies on these types of routes like
228 abibus : This is so smart move from American Airlines and this is just the begining... 330 Will come and Also the 350... Congratulations to Airbus very good Jo
229 Jamake1 : Tom Horton spoke to this about 3 minutes into his interview on CNBC this morning...
230 bobnwa : According to many on A.net it was the stated AA policy. I don't remember AA themselves stating it in in the recent past.
231 EPA001 : With the smaller engine diameter, and thus fan diameter, that will be impossible since that is a clear stronger point for the A320-NEO in my opinion.
232 blink182 : Agreed 100%. I give AA a lot of credit for maintaining the MD-80s interiors to a relatively high standard unlike the 757s which feel like they haven'
233 redflyer : I'm not so sure they mis-judged the narrow-body market. I think if they offered an all-new 737 replacement then the market would have reacted favorab
234 UALWN : I agree with this sentiment, which makes the whole thing kind of embarrassing for Boeing, really. Time for new leadership.
235 Post contains images keesje : I guess this thread will be closed soon by mods so time for a final statement here Probably Airbus/ Leahy isn't happy at all with Boeing switching str
236 UALWN : I agree. But at the end Boeing's decision has been to re-engine, which one has to assume is the correct decision. Hence why I said they misjudged the
237 Kaiarahi : As has been pointed out about 37 times on here, the RE order is NOT firm.
238 delimit : No it won't. Did you miss the 787 order numbers? That's an awfully big pricetag for a gesture.
239 Post contains images flyabr : Basically confirmed by the fact that there is no press release on the Boeing web site concerning this order. oops...nevermind![Edited 2011-07-20 09:3
240 aacun : the RE order IS firm. For 100 of them. Its just pending on the fact that the airplane actually becomes a reality.
241 FlyASAGuy2005 : This is already in the works. DL for that matter has already put out a RFP and their decision is looming as well. Ratty? Please. The A320, from a pax
242 Post contains links Markam : On the contrary, here it is: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1845[Edited 2011-07-20 09:38:50]
243 chopchop767 : Doom and gloom for Boeing aside, which I don't think this order at all justifies, this is really exciting for AA. On so many threads here, AA's been
244 ckfred : Although Horton sad that the -900 or A321 would fly in 3-class on the transcons, here's another thought. Convert some of the 763s to 3-class. Besides
245 UALWN : So far the price tag is zero. This is not a firm order by any means, since the plane doesn't even exist on paper.
246 Post contains images Kaiarahi : Did you read what you just wrote?
247 tsugambler : Nobody is bashing Boeing by saying it's a loss... that's not bashing, it's just the truth. I myself am a big Boeing supporter, and even I think Boein
248 ripcordd : Boeing did not loose anything AA wants the planes yesterday and either Airbus or Boeing couldnt handle this and this is why the order was split..Boein
249 einsteinboricua : Somehow I'm not surprised with the order. I had speculated from the beginning it would be a split order and that American would go Airbus to replace s
250 Thrust : An Airbus A320 in the AA colorscheme...can't wait to see it. So we now have the Boeing 777-300ER, the A320, and new 737 models to join the list of air
251 Post contains images AA767400 : No one is attacking. Fact is, your statement is unusual given that all airlines except AA ply JFK-LAX/SFO with 737/757/320s. I would assume AA will i
252 SKAirbus : Boeing really need to get their arse into gear.... Unfortunately a simple reengine of the 737 may not work.. The fuselage design stems back to the 707
253 Post contains links homeland545 : i don't know if someone has posted this link yet and if someone has i do apologize but AA just talks about building the youngest fleet...i guess from
254 4holer : I think that, in terms of the mythical "gentleman's agreement" being broken... AA probably would have preferred a Boeing product, but that loyalty nee
255 Blueman87 : PM or AM
256 Flighty : Does anyone doubt that the vendors are in charge of the industry, and the airlines are just pawns? If AA can get 460 airplanes then Donald Duck could
257 ikramerica : While I agree it's not a huge win for Boeing, it's also not a dramatic loss. It's a good win for Airbus though. AA does not have an "all-Boeing fleet
258 Post contains links Centre : So, this is the scenario as I see it: 1) prior to 2010, AA has been pushing for a whole new narrowbody airplane. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles.
259 Post contains images flymia : They have, but the pilots need to agree to a new contract before they can take any 787s. Well when AA and B6 become one airline that will be a simple
260 delimit : Perhaps you might want to reread the press release.
261 mrskyguy : Sure, it's spectacular.. but it doesn't erase all of American's problems. In fact it creates new problems too, despite addressing the aging and fuel u
262 UALWN : Sure. Here: "American also intends to order 100 of Boeing's expected new evolution of the 737NG, with a new engine that would offer even more signifi
263 airbazar : I'm not buying it. I think this order had been accounted for in the production schedule a long time ago. And just like they magically found room for
264 SEPilot : They bought MD for the defense business, but IMHO it was the worst decision they ever made, emphasized by the line that MD bought Boeing with Boeing'
265 Post contains links antidote : First comments from Bombardier: Bombardier spokesman John Arnone said the company is not overly concerned that Boeing had decided to go ahead with a r
266 ytz : After DL and UA do their fleet renewals, I'll put money on the fact that virtually every airline in the US will be using narrowbodies for TCON. What
267 dirtyfrankd : Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a firm order for an additional 100 737NG (including 3 exercised options). So...Boeing did in fact get
268 TSS : This seems like the logical progression to me: Incoming 777s replace some 763s on TATL; Freed-up 763s get reconfigured to 3-class and replace existin
269 slinky09 : VX do it in what I consider to be the best F transcon, why can't AA? Already too late IMO - in 2010 it's already 1,259 A320NEO to 100 (potential) B73
270 ikramerica : True enough. My point was on the commercial side. There are customers who want TWO suppliers. Boeing buying MD only made the choice simpler. Instead
271 just7four7 : Can not feel much exitement about hundreds of 737s and or 320s. Where is the real spice? 787, more 777 ERs, A330, A380, 747-8..?
272 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : American Airlines is going to have to pay for these aircraft, in one way or the other. American Airlines is on shaky financial ground. What will they
273 Babybus : Good to see that Airbus came out on top. Shame AA didn't opt for a few Airbus wide bodies at the same time. I doubt that had anything to do with good
274 Post contains images ikramerica : I doubt you will see that happen. AA is still adding 77Ws, has an order in principle for 787s, and has no need for the A380. I suppose that they coul
275 FlyASAGuy2005 : To whom? DL/UA that already fly narrowbodies across the country??? There is no firm order. A mere LOI. FAR from anything firm. The thing isn't even a
276 SEPilot : On the contrary, salesmanship in a deal like this is crucial. From all that I have seen JL has been the best thing to happen to Airbus, ever. He may
277 GBan : At the fleet sizes we are looking at they wouldn't save much, if anything at all. ... and pending on some minor details like price or performance pro
278 Post contains images lightsaber : They do need to something drastic to change their gameplan... It wasn't just AA. Airlines *need* something more economical with today's expensive oil
279 kaitak : I'm delighted to see this, but still a bit bemused as to why the current A320 made it into the AA fleet; a great achievement nonetheless, and congrats
280 Post contains images delimit : Ah, I see your post in another thread saying all of the firm orders were already accounted for. That doesn't sound right to me, but I'll just trust y
281 crAAzy : Holy crap! Looking at those images. The page shows the 737-800, A321, and the A319 - no A320,B737-700/900). I wonder if this is a hint that AA has ch
282 Post contains images EPA001 : Totally agree. Over the years JL has been very decisive in a lot of the big Airbus success. And one of his prime results is to build a sales organisa
283 flipdewaf : At what point would the camel's toe become visible? I'm a pilot/flying type, does this mean I should like it by default too? Never heard of the first
284 contrails : AA ordering 260 Airbusses? Say it ain't so, AA! I'm very disappointed with AA. IMO they should have stuck with Boeing. Flame me if you wish, but I bel
285 B747forever : Wow, cannot believe what I just read. I am a Boeing fan, but to say something like this is just plain stupid.
286 The777Man : I think this is the key here; Neither of the manufactuers could deliver all the aircraft in the timeframe that AA needed them so the order had to be
287 YULWinterSkies : Well, no idea where they are, but it shows that people like me who believe that we never should say never in aviation are often right... but i am not
288 BCEaglesCO757 : An A320 in AA scheme ? Ah....just doesn't seem right.
289 delimit : Is it ok if the parts in that plane were made elsewhere? because if not you have something of a problem. And if so you've got something of a problem
290 Areopagus : Boeing's problem is that each time Airbus steals a march, they peel off some Boeing customers. A me-too answer by Boeing can stop further defections,
291 columba : In a way they did with the 787, Airbus at first underestimated the success of the 787 and came up with a beefed up A330. Customers did not want it an
292 Post contains images BMI727 : That's fine for Boeing. It could be very bad for them to hastily commit to an inferior option in a knee jerk reaction to American. Not necessarily. L
293 HOONS90 : Uh huh. I guess then, by your logic, Air France and Lufthansa shouldn't be operating any Boeing planes at all? Airlines should stick with planes that
294 flymia : Personally I like it more. Never been a big fan of airbus cockpits and procedures etc.. Where in the world did I say everyone needs to be a Boeing fa
295 Post contains images ikramerica : There have been many threads on this. While Airbus fans can't come to terms with it, AA had a horrible early experience with the A306, a delay prone
296 Post contains images CapEd388 : Here Are A couple of renderings: AAL - A319: AAL - A321: Courtesy: American Airlines
297 AAExecPlat : I have had the same horror stories happen on 737s, 747s, 757s, 767s, 777s, MD80s, Fokker, etc. By that logic, using my anecdotal evidence, all those
298 Post contains images EPA001 : Not lucky. JL has been stating this for years. The real new NB technology will be available for EIS in the mid 2020's has been Airbus' statement all
299 crAAzy : AA confirmed that it's taking delivery of 130 A319s and A321s starting in 2013 - NOT the A320! Woohooo for the AA A319 !!!
300 Post contains images bikerthai : Like the time they designed the folding wing tip on the 777 just to make AA happy? How many 777 with folding wing tip did AA buy? As many as WN biker
301 FoxTwo : How many people wish they had put their socks in their mouths over the years! American has bought more AIRBUS! Dentists sure are going to be busy with
302 columba : It sure it is sad to see the MDs go as I am huge MD fan and days will be boring with only 737/A320 look a likes, Still I believe the A321sharklest/A32
303 Post contains images scbriml : IMHO, this was originally 'only' going to be a 260 plane order for Airbus. It was just about a done deal by the time of Paris - this is clear from th
304 BMI727 : They needed more time because they had a decision to make and Airbus for the most part didn't. And we don't know enough to know how much more expensi
305 flipdewaf : The A321 looks ..... right, like it was supposed to be. Fred
306 Post contains images EPA001 : Agreed. That is why you have not seen such statements made by me. .
307 ETinCaribe : WOW!!! and this is all single aisles. Amazing. What a good problem to have - they can open a new factory or be creative in many other I assume, I pres
308 columba : Makes sense as the 737-800 they already have has about the same size as the A320. So the A319/737 will be their MD 80 replacement while the A321 will
309 kiwiandrew : While a lot of people have commented on AA clearly having confidence in Airbus to me the reverse is also true. The fact that both manufacturers have a
310 Post contains images bikerthai : Had the same dream/nightmare before - As I recall, the A320 in question had United Colors. It's OK to have a fall in your nightmare. Just don't hit t
311 FRAIAD : To be honest, the A319/320/321neo in AA livery looks stunning. Of course, this is a personal opinion that not everybody needs to share.
312 CapEd388 : I totally agree. I really don't understand people who say that American is making a mistake for not buying all Boeing and turning to Airbus. That som
313 jfk777 : This is an example of a long held Boeing mantra which is coming back to haunt it. What one former Qantas CEO called whn he saw the 767-400ER, " One D
314 genybustrvlr : My take on today's winners, and losers. For what it's worth, I don't care if I fly on an Airbus or Boeing planes - just no RJs. Clear Winner: Airbus -
315 Boiler905 : I am at a loss as to why so many people are excited about this. AA shouldn't be allowed to make this kind of a deal. $13B??? AMR currently holds a net
316 PanAm1971 : Forget the order numbers for a second. This is a decisive strategic defeat for Boeing. They really needed to come out a clear winner with AA. Airbus h
317 JAAlbert : So much for folks calling AA management timid! I'd be having a heart attack signing my name to a $40 billion dollar debt! Isn't Microsoft worth about
318 gigneil : Yeah I kinda figured that was the direction it was going to go. It just didn't make any sense to buy A320s and add 738s unless they seriously needed
319 zhiao : And besides, for all you protectionists, Airbus actually does support US jobs. Where are the engines made? A/C? Software? Mostly USA. In fact an Airbu
320 LAXDESI : AA B738s have 16J(@40" pitch) and 144Y(@31" pitch). Given that A320 is about 6.25 feet shorter, one would expect the A320 in AA configuration to hold
321 MAH4546 : While AA did indeed mention possibly creating a 3-class trans-con 739/321 fleet, I am of the uninformed opinion that the 763 will be reconfigured for
322 AA777 : How is this a "huge" blow to Boeing? They got 200 orders for their airplanes.... yes, the competition got a bigger bite of the pie, but 200 airplanes
323 Post contains images astuteman : Two things. The NEO is. The Classic isn't. And the NEO being sold out to 2018 probably INCLUDED the AA order..... Is this an appropriate time to ment
324 ytz : Somebody had mentioned before that AA has a lucrative transcon cargo business. I wonder if the fact that Airbus use containers came into play.
325 Post contains links gigneil : In the following Leeham note about the 737-RE : http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2011...re-engine-studies-very-much-alive/ Its interesting to note: It
326 UALWN : No, no. I was referring to the RE "order", which really isn't such. There is indeed a new order for 100 (or 97) 737NGs that hasn't yet been signed, b
327 Carls : Ikra same can be said about the 757, 767. Almost every time I have to flight to South America or even domestic and the plane is a 757 or a 767 my fli
328 Post contains images airbazar : Funny thing about good old American capitalism. It's a great thing only when it suits your needs That is indeed true. Too bad the US government could
329 BA174 : I suppose this is partly possible because of the fact that AA or any other US carrier do not have the 3 max aircraft type rule for cabin crew like the
330 gigneil : They already have 4 different aircraft in their domestic fleet - this will be the prelude to a reduction in types. But no, we don't have that rule her
331 TheSonntag : The "competition" got the order, that is the biggest blow at all. AA would NEVER have ordered a single Airbus if only Boeing had something useful for
332 PanAm1971 : Bingo. Well said. That is spot on.
333 Post contains images AAIL86 : It would be fantastic if some refitted 763s replaced the 762s on the transcon routes. Cargo advantages aside(large capacity and cans down below), and
334 Post contains images WN738 : What a sad day in Seattle Boeing is in major trouble. Loosing this order, (and its a loss no matter how you look at it). Its their own damn fault i su
335 sasd209 : Agreed and well said; I had the same thought when reading the first post here.
336 Post contains links gdg9 : Here are about 24 photos of the 787 on the ground at DFW today: http://bit.ly/pxeXoz
337 ikramerica : Give me a break. I'm not basing it on my "anecdotal evidence" but on the actual experience of AA, as told by NUMEROUS employees of AA over the years.
338 Post contains images glideslope : Congrats to Airbus. Very sad day for Boeing. Brought down by Arrogance, Lack of Vision, Inept Management, and not chewing 28 times before swallowing l
339 TaromA380 : Am I the first user on this thread ever to ask what engines did AA chose for their A32X NEO ?
340 Giancavia : You think you read it all then you read that orders are to LARGE to be a good thing lol. My oh my some people are in denial about how Boeing are defea
341 Post contains links moderators : As this topic has now reached 341 replies it has been decided to open up a second part. This can be found here: Official: AA Order 460 Airbus And Boei
342 eisenbach : I guess all long haul routes served by 767's and 757's will be replaced by the 787. I think even on Trans Con routes, the 787 will be seen quiet a lo
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