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KE To Start ICN-LAS-ICN Nonstop  
User currently offlinemccarranmgr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5587 times:

Starting October 31 KE 3x weekly service will change from ICN-LAS-LAX-ICN to nonstop ICN-LAS-ICN. The equipment used will also be upgraded from the current A332 to B772.

Flight Times: Mon-Wed-Fri Arrive 1605 Departure 2340


Its great to have this nonstop to ICN for LAS.

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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1268 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5575 times:

Great to see. Maybe NRT will come back once ANA/JAL receive the 787

User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5532 times:

Can't see this on either the GDS or KE IBE yet?


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5506 times:

KE has really been expanding in the US. Love the aggression.


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12420 posts, RR: 100
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5179 times:
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Quoting mccarranmgr (Thread starter):
The equipment used will also be upgraded from the current A332 to B772.

I wondered if the PW4170A was keeping this route from being non-stop. However, I would have to stare at the payload range charts and field performance to see if the PW4190 powered 772 is making the difference on this route going non-stop.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
KE has really been expanding in the US. Love the aggression.

Have they been expanding in Canada? I expected quite the response after the open skies.

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 1):
Great to see. Maybe NRT will come back once ANA/JAL receive the 787

The issue will be that KE will have permanently grabbed a few customers. ICN is a far more flexible hub than NRT. Ironically, better connections to most of Japan! NRT is just too slot limited by today's hubbing standards.

Lightsaber



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User currently onlineyeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 882 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
KE has really been expanding in the US. Love the aggression.

This is due in part to KE and OZ both anticipating the passage of the free-trade agreement between Korea and the U.S.

I started a now deleted thread on KE's expansion to the US, in which KE's CEO was quoted. He was very enthusiastic about greater business ties between the two countries.

I believe the bill is still progressing in Washington.

yeo



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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Quoting mccarranmgr (Thread starter):
Flight Times: Mon-Wed-Fri Arrive 1605 Departure 2340

Beautiful. This should give them enough time to extend to SAN in the future. Based on the above, if the flight arrives LAS at 4:05pm this would allow for a 1:30min stop at LAS (departing at 5:35pm) arriving SAN at 6:50pm. Return departure from SAN could be at 9:00pm arrive LAS at 10:15p in line for the 11:40pm departure from LAS back to ICN.

The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned. SAN needs service to Asia with good connections. A perfect future non-stop 787 route.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 5):
This is due in part to KE and OZ both anticipating the passage of the free-trade agreement between Korea and the U.S.

Thats good. I wasnt sure what prompted it. KE has increased ORD, IAD, DFW, and now LAS in the last 3 months or so.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
Quoting yeogeo (Reply 5):
This is due in part to KE and OZ both anticipating the passage of the free-trade agreement between Korea and the U.S.

Thats good. I wasnt sure what prompted it. KE has increased ORD, IAD, DFW, and now LAS in the last 3 months or so.


South Koreans stopped needing visas to enter the U.S. about two years ago. That gave a big boost, too, I'm sure.



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6403 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4397 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 4):
the PW4190 powered 772

That would be a PW 4090 powered 772. There are no 4190 engines on the 777.

Nice to see the route going nonstop in both directions !

The777Man



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5885 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

Will we see OZ at IAH as the next Korean US city? I have some friends in IAH airport circles and they say it is in the cards. OZ is salivating over UAs(COs) Latin American connections


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User currently offlinevincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 6):
The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned. SAN needs service to Asia with good connections. A perfect future non-stop 787 route.

A bus shuttle by AM to TIJ not good enough? Just kidding! But IMO the better option will be ICN-SAN nonstop starting with 3X weekly 772, or SAN-YVR-ICN with 5th freedom right on SAN-YVR. Those one-stop and triangle runs just aren't practical anymore.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 10):
Will we see OZ at IAH as the next Korean US city? I have some friends in IAH airport circles and they say it is in the cards. OZ is salivating over UAs(COs) Latin American connections

They may be looking at Houston, but the main target would be Houston-Asia as opposed to Korea-Latin America.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 6):
Beautiful. This should give them enough time to extend to SAN in the future. Based on the above, if the flight arrives LAS at 4:05pm this would allow for a 1:30min stop at LAS (departing at 5:35pm) arriving SAN at 6:50pm. Return departure from SAN could be at 9:00pm arrive LAS at 10:15p in line for the 11:40pm departure from LAS back to ICN.
Quoting vincewy (Reply 11):
IMO the better option will be ICN-SAN nonstop starting with 3X weekly 772, or SAN-YVR-ICN with 5th freedom right on SAN-YVR. Those one-stop and triangle runs just aren't practical anymore

Well you know what? I'd take either of these ideas in a heartbeat -- and I have a feeling so would the SDIA! And I do know that Asia is now the focus of the route development folks at SAN and I bet there are lots of phone calls between them and Seoul these days!

Yes D, that layover in Vegas is certainly almost too good to not add some kind of tag-on. (SAN or PHX?)

And Vince', you are right but we must keep in mind that KE has been doing just that (tag-ons, triangles -- circle trips as I refer to them) between LA and LV now for many years so they apparently haven't been that opposed to the idea...

In fact, following what has developed with the former ICN-LAS-LAX-ICN routing, and I admit this would be a bit of a step back for LAS, but what about ICN-SAN-LAS-ICN? I've dreamed about this idea for a long time...

bb


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1268 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):

Well you know what? I'd take either of these ideas in a heartbeat -- and I have a feeling so would the SDIA! And I do know that Asia is now the focus of the route development folks at SAN and I bet there are lots of phone calls between them and Seoul these days!

SANFan, on a side note, do you know if Philippine Airlines is still in CAT II, but are they still interested in doing YVR-MNL-SAN?

Does anyone know when they are suppose to get back to CAT I?


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

I don't understand this route. Is there a large market for ICN to Las Vegas???


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User currently offlinefly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 15):

I don't understand this route. Is there a large market for ICN to Las Vegas???

Well not just ICN-LAS traffic, but LAS-Asia traffic... (Viets and Filipinos)...definitely try to capture more of this market. With others from Asia-LAS being more niche travelers wanting to see North America's "Macau"


User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 14):
Does anyone know when they are suppose to get back to CAT I?

I don't think anyone knows. Most of us here in SAN have pretty much officially given up. My take on this is if PR wants to serve the area and they are not CAT I by 2013, then they should go into TIJ when the crossborder terminal opens in a couple of years (assuming that is still on track for 2013). If they do receive CAT I statues they can move the flight over to SAN if they want or TIJ might actually work for them, you never know. They have options.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3622 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 14):
SANFan, on a side note, do you know if Philippine Airlines is still in CAT II, but are they still interested in doing YVR-MNL-SAN?
Does anyone know when they are suppose to get back to CAT I
Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 17):
Most of us here in SAN have pretty much officially given up. My take on this is if PR wants to serve the area and they are not CAT I by 2013, then they should go into TIJ when the crossborder terminal opens in a couple of years (assuming that is still on track for 2013). If they do receive CAT I statues they can move the flight over to SAN if they want or TIJ might actually work for them, you never know. They have options.

Unfortunately '990 is correct that most of us here in San Diego are in fact pretty pessemistic about this ongoing PR adventure.

However, I will say that the latest information I've heard is that there is (another) FAA safety audit scheduled this September in the Philippines and that the CAAP has brought consultants on board to help them pass it this time. They do seem serious about it and as far as I know, they still are planning on MNL-YVR-SAN service to be fit in around the MNL-YVR-LAS service. Although I am not holding my breath, when nobody's looking I have my fingers crossed that it MIGHT finally happen. (With the year we are having in SAN so far, the cards do seem to be stacked the right way for a change...)

  
bb


User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 17):

I don't think anyone knows. Most of us here in SAN have pretty much officially given up. My take on this is if PR wants to serve the area and they are not CAT I by 2013, then they should go into TIJ when the crossborder terminal opens in a couple of years (assuming that is still on track for 2013). If they do receive CAT I statues they can move the flight over to SAN if they want or TIJ might actually work for them, you never know. They have options.


SO what is the big deal bout driving up to LAX to fly to MNL ??? I know some people are Old but they can take HA SAN-HNL-MNL or SAN-SFO-MNL


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 5):
This is due in part to KE and OZ both anticipating the passage of the free-trade agreement between Korea and the U.S.

No doubt the free-trade agreement will cause a slight bump in air travel but I don't think LAS going non-stop has anything to do with it. They've been building this market for a while and it's following natural progression that it can now be sustained as a non-stop route.


User currently onlineyeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 882 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
South Koreans stopped needing visas to enter the U.S. about two years ago. That gave a big boost, too, I'm sure.

Interesting! I did not know that. Clearly the Koreans have several reasons to be optimistic for gains on their US routes.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 20):
No doubt the free-trade agreement will cause a slight bump in air travel but I don't think LAS going non-stop has anything to do with it. They've been building this market for a while and it's following natural progression that it can now be sustained as a non-stop route.

I’m not sure you can quantify the amount of traffic to be gained from the free trade agreement’s ratification, but clearly the Korean airlines are anticipating more than a “slight bump”! They have been consistently increasing frequencies and up-gauging their equipment to the mainland US and have plans for more soon (see below), AND have stated that the agreement is in part a factor. This was the context for my comment, not just the LAS route (which was a nonstop route, by the way, just not westbound).

Current Korea-US nonstop mainland schedules of KE & OZ, JFTHOI*:

ICN-ATL Korean 772x3 744x7
ICN-IAD Korean 77Wx7
ICN-JFK Asiana 77Ex7 / Korean 77Wx14 (388x7 from 29Aug)
ICN-DFW Korean 772x5 (77W from 30Oct)
ICN-ORD Asiana 777x4 / Korean 744x10
ICN-LAS Korean 332x3
ICN-LAX Asiana 747x7 777x7 / Korean 744x7 772x13 77Wx7
ICN-SFO Asiana 777x7 / Korean 772x7
ICN-SEA Korean Asiana 333x7 / 772x7

yeo

* just for the ‘ell of it  

[Edited 2011-07-21 06:27:35]

[Edited 2011-07-21 06:34:03]


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User currently offlineAirKorea From South Korea, joined Dec 2006, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Nearing Christmas and CES show are luring a lot of people.

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 21):
ICN-DFW Korean 772x5 (77W from 30Oct)

Do you know when the schedules will reflect this (the 77W that is)?



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User currently onlineyeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 882 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 23):
Do you know when the schedules will reflect this (the 77W that is)?

I expect the OAG to reflect the DFW a/c change in their September edition. We shall see... lately Korean has been shifting about their US schedules remarkably often.

cheers! yeo



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25 Coronado990 : Traffic to start with. See BA thread. The brilliant minds at HA made this a miss-connect so an over night stay is required.
26 Post contains links and images SANFan : Not the first, only, or last time the SAN-flight mis-connects with some of their intl service... Regarding traffic between SAN and LAX, there's a dis
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