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Fuel efficiency of an A320 with sharklets vs. a normal A320  
User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 662 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9239 times:
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Hi, I apologize if this has been mentioned before, but how much more fuel efficient is an A320 with sharklets vs a normal A320. Can all the other variants get sharklets? Why aren't airbus operators putting them on their aircraft besides Jetblue?

Thanks.


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User currently offlinevoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9216 times:

Think it was mentioned in one of the AA threads, A32xs will have sharklets as standard from/after 2012?

[Edited 2011-07-20 08:01:27]


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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2896 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9143 times:
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excuse my ignorance: what is a "Sharklet"? any pics?


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9071 times:

The sharklets have just in the last month or so become available for order. I bet we'll be surprised by who all does, in fact get them.

I'd stake something that United will buy them - they are big on aero improvements over there.

NS


User currently offlineSHARFRS2 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8992 times:

Sharklet = full sized winglet

User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8914 times:
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By how much does the efficiency increase in the A320?


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4737 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8831 times:
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Quoting avi8 (Reply 5):
By how much does the efficiency increase in the A320?

On very short stretches they might even worsen the performance due to the weight increase. But on stretches from approximately 1 hour flight time in my opinion they will improve the performance. The longer the route, the better the result of the sharklets will be. Just as we see on the B737-NG.  .

[Edited 2011-07-20 09:00:24]

User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8700 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 5):
By how much does the efficiency increase in the A320?

As mentioned, depends on the length of sector flown - could be up to 4%. See below:


The retrofit, which essentially adds a winglet that Airbus calls ‘sharklet’ at the tip of the wings, increases fuel efficiency of the planes by almost 4 per cent. This would close the gap somewhat between the 15 per cent fuel efficiency offered by the new A320neo and existing older planes.


http://www.airlineberg.com/index.php...aris-airshow-with-26-1b-in-orders/


User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8652 times:

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
Can all the other variants get sharklets?

Retrofits are being developed.

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
Why aren't airbus operators putting them on their aircraft besides Jetblue?

They cost a lot of money. I recall a price of $915 000 being quoted at the Paris Air Show. Slightly more for retrofit kits. If you're flying sub 90 minuted sectors, the extra weight of the sharklets could negate the fuel burn advantage.


User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8495 times:

4% it´s quite a lot...Some airlines use specially A319 for very long routes.... so they could have a lot of money back soon if they do the retrofit...

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8435 times:
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Quoting gigneil (Reply 3):
The sharklets have just in the last month or so become available for order. I bet we'll be surprised by who all does, in fact get them.

Air NZ became the lanch customer for the sharklet A320 when it ordered 14 new A320s in November 2009

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...e%20Baseline%20For%20NEO%20Version


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2888 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8090 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 2):
excuse my ignorance: what is a "Sharklet"? any pics?

From our test flights, some pics at http://klgb.blogspot.com/2010/02/jet...-tests-winglets-again-on-a320.html





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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7727 times:
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Awesome! Is this airplane performing the test flights for the sharklets? How soon will airplanes with them will be able to fly commercially?


avi8
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7705 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 12):
Awesome! Is this airplane performing the test flights for the sharklets? How soon will airplanes with them will be able to fly commercially?

Man...welcome to the a.net wayback machine. Try a search my man - these test flights were done a while ago.



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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7639 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 12):
How soon will airplanes with them will be able to fly commercially?


As NZ will be the launch customer, just click on the link in reply #10....2012!



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User currently offlineamccann From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7459 times:

I don't see a "Nav" lights on the JetBlue A320 sharklet, or the Airbus Demo A320 sharklet for that matter...


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Have the Nav lights been relocated or do they not have them installed as these are prototype sharklets?



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7226 times:
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Hahaha your right. Sorry about that, just had brain failure. Thanks for your patience :p


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7216 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Air NZ became the lanch customer for the sharklet A320 when it ordered 14 new A320s in November 2009

Yeah...but didn't they cancel that original sharklet program?

NS


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7080 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 17):
Yeah...but didn't they cancel that original sharklet program?


I think it is the first order for the current sharklets.
It still appears on Airbus website, so should not be cancelled or?
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...th-commitment-from-air-new-zealan/



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User currently offlineshengzhurou From China, joined May 2010, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

the "sharklets" name really makes it good for the marketing department to promote their new jets.


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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

Quoting amccann (Reply 15):
I don't see a "Nav" lights on the JetBlue A320 sharklet, or the Airbus Demo A320 sharklet for that matter...


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Have the Nav lights been relocated or do they not have them installed as these are prototype sharklets?

I don't think that photo has the chosen Sharklets for production aircraft. IIRC there were 3 different new winglets trialed over the last number and the one that was called the Sharklet was chosen.
Here is a pic of the chosen design.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...2862/a320-winglets-on-the-way.html


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2888 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

Quoting amccann (Reply 15):
I don't see a "Nav" lights on the JetBlue A320 sharklet

It was a prototype by API for flight testing purposes only, so it was more about getting raw data than anything else.

If Airbus allows API to do the retrofit program, then the design would be changed to incorporate nav/strobe lights and whatnot.



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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3486 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

According to Air Arabia, which will receive its first sharkletted A320 in 2013, the expected gain in fuel consumption is up to 3.5%  

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