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User currently offlineHeinz From Germany, joined Feb 2000, 256 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Hi everybody,
which airline, still existing or not, would you consider real notorious, and why ? (e.g. because of the number of crashes and/or pilot errors, such as Spantax).
Facts and anecdotes much appreciated...

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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

Cubana...a few crashes etc, bad conditions on a/c etc.
However, I admit that they look as if they are improvinng slightly by replacing there aging Russian fleet with 737s leased from Panorama?? and other modern a/c. So things seem to be improving...but in the past ...well nuff said.



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

Even the last one, where some 24-year-old kid bought them at fire sale, then got caught for stealing a rent-a-car. More fun than all the airlines Frank Lorenzo and Carl Icahn ever owned...

User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6220 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

China Airlines has great service but their reputation for safety is down under, but hey they have been improving.
Chepos
Puerto Rico



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

Value Jet, man!!! Who can forget Value Jet??? Did the new Value Jet (Air Tran) ever change their call sign from Critter?


Its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than be in the air wishing you were on the ground. Fly safe!
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

Yes, the Critter callsign is dead. Long live Critter. AirTran's callsign is 'Citrus'.

User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

For service, it's not new news that America West is notoriously bad. I'm not sure if they've improved or not.

User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 944 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

CI has managed to crash 747-400, MD-11, 2X A300-600R. (within last 10 year).

User currently offlineAirways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1599 times:

What about Korean? They also had a lot of accidents in the last years. They distroyed a 747 in Guam, a 747F in England, an MD-11F in Shanghai. Then there was another 747 wich was written off after an incident (I don't remember where, probably Asia..) and I also have a picture in mind of a F100 which stranded on a field, broken in two or three pieces.

Ok, things became better at Korean. They did a lot to improve their security. We will see what the future brings...

Michael
http://airways.ch


User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

Tower Air, I don't think I need to elaborate Big grin.

User currently offlineBA DC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

I seem to remember Panam had a lot of unfortunate accidents...a lot though were not its fault...

User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

PAN AM; They were cutting corners on security and their mangement of Martin Shugrue and CEO Plaskett were shady. When the plane went down not all of the passengers who were on the plane were even listed on the pax manufast yet. The airlines attitude toward grieving family members were abominable. I'm gald they're out of business. I couldn't stand the sight of them after the way their uncaring employees treated my family the night the plane went down when we tried to find out info related to the crash. They had waivers to skip hand searches on unaccompanied bags from Europe. They had a man named Ulrich Weber who was hired to to security at FRA who had misplaced the Helsinki Warning.This employee got a dishonerable discharge from the Illinios Natioanl Guard and was courtmarshaled in the Army for going AWOL. He also had a rap sheet longer than my arm with fraud, stealing property, recieving stolen property, writing bad checks among other offenses. Yet PA hired this punk to do secuirty at the then World's most netourious airport. He shouldn't have even been allowed to clean toilets!!! He hired a haidresser who had no background in secuirty because she had lovely blue eyes. Within 4 days she was promoted to supervisor.

By the way; Another employee found the Helsinki waring in a pile of papers on Weber's desk the day after the bobmbing. That employee was fired but Weber was allowed to stay and his budget for security shot up. Their bomb sniffing dogs at JFK were a sham. They were show dogs bnough cheap from a local kennel. I bet none of you would fly PA if you found our that they were no doing pax/bag match. Dan Sonenson a Top securtiy exec for PA sent a Telex "If a pax does not show up but his/her luggage is on board then we go!!!" Shugrue lied about the waivers. He said that they were a verbal agreement which is crap because you need to get them in writing.

They lied to the NY media by palcing ads stating that in order to pay for high security PA was tacking an extra $5 fee on ever one way 1st class ticket. The money was actually goingto their coffers. An ex EL Al Security cheif named Issac Yeffet was commisioned by PA for a security review. In his report he found that the most security employees have never seen a bomb real or fake and that their cago comaptments were venerable to bombs.The report concluded "The mere fact that no major incident has occured to date is merely providential" This report was filed away in 1986 and was never touched since.

Another airline was Eastern. During the Lorenzo era. The IRS was auditing EAL over tax fraud. The FAA (The tombstone agency) was strogly objecting. The IRS was suspicious so a further investigation found that EAL was also cutting corners. This time it was maintinace. EAL superviosrs would say "We don't have time for this repair " S othey would sign it off as done even though the work was partially done or not done at all.



"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

If I had it my way along with the families of PA 103 then Martin Shugure, Thomas Plaskett, Dana Sonenson, Ulrich Weber and ex FAA cheif Dan Salazar(who gave PA the waivers) would be serving time for manslaughter. But guess getting the $550,000 compenstion, having the airline go under and the airline being found guilty of gross neglegence in the safety and security of those of PA 103 is good enough.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineDasheighty From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 311 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

Eastwind airlines Not they ever crashed but it was the only airline I ever heard of that had a riot during flight.

User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

I meant to say Dan Sonenson not Dana.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6294 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

Yes, you do need to elaborate.


Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineAlphie747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

For some reason, Eastern Airlines...

User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

Tower Air had an incident accident rating 13 times higher than Valujet. After the closing the CEO Morris Nacatomi skipped the country in order to avoid paying creditors.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineAirways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

What about Aloha of Hawaii?

As I know, the only airline which was flying a 737-convertible (without top)...

Michael
http://airways.ch


User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

koren air and gulf air are fairly notorious for safety records.

Aloha of Hawaii are very famous for being the airline who had the roof come one of their planes in mid-flight.





It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineTaloush From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2001, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

Go Canada, why do you consider GF a "notorious airline"???? just because of that crash last summer??
okay i admit that crash wasnt the best thing to happen, but you can't judge an entire airline's safety record just because of the mistake of one pilot..
i've flown on gulf air for almost my entire life and i can assure you that i feel EXTREMELY safe in flight..!



Your attention, please.
User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

How did I know the phases 'show dogs bought cheap from a local kennel' and 'skipped the country' would appear in this thread?  Insane


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User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

i flew with GF twice and i didnt feel safe, i had a plane that rattled! your are naturally going to say that gulf air are safe because your biased towards them.

however the fact remains there are notorious, this thread wasnt Go Canadas opinions on whats safe and whats not-it was a thread on what airlines are notorious.

the fact is gulf air are notorious, i know of not one person interested in aviation that thinks gulf air are a very safe airline.




It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

aeroflot-what about them?

TG992-sorry i dont get your post!



It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineOH-LZA From Finland, joined Jun 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1455 times:

Can someone explain what the Helsinki Warning was?

Zulu Alpha


25 VirginA340 : Tg 992; I hope you're not being wise with me because my opinons are backed with facts. CEO morris Nacatomi did skip the country due to his enormous de
26 GKirk : I think that it was the warning recieved prior to the bombing of PA103 over my hometown of Lockerbie. But the Americans and PA didnt take much notice
27 OO-VEG : Korean Air, they managed to lose 5 747's in air disasters. Not all of those 5 crashes are to blame on Korean Air as you may remember 1 was shot down b
28 Sevenair : Axon Airlines- last week a flight from greece to newcastle made 3 attempts at landing but diverted to manchester-the pilot then imprisoned the passeng
29 GKirk : It was a 737-700 and I read about it on PPrune and I think I posted aout it in another thread. Miracuously, an ATR42 landed after the Axon 737 went do
30 VirginA340 : OH-LGA; The Helsinki warning was a male with an Arabic accent calling up the US Embassy in Helsinki warning that a PAN AM flight out of FRA would be b
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