initious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1011 posts, RR: 16 Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10470 times:
As expected, the old 772s from SQ will go to the new LCC. I'll be awaiting to see how the configuration will be like and the seats in term of classes available on top of Y (Y+? J?) and hopefully arrange a flight on them once it takes off.
P.S. I assume "New Aviation" is just the name for the subsidiary, not the name of the airline, right?
They probably don't have to decide that yet, as SQ currently has some excess 777s, and more will eventually be available as next batch of A333s will come along in 2013 and onwards.
The LCC can then enjoy the luxury of taking as many as they need, depending of how successful they will be, and SIA Group can sell the rest.
kl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 14 Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9505 times:
Quoting Brenintw (Reply 1): Pack them in 10Y with 31" pitch, and a couple of rows of Y+ at 8 or 9 abreast with 36" and I bet those 772ERs will have a pretty competitive CASM.
For flights under 4 hours that would be fine. Any longer I guess they wont fly anyway as it would go against the LCC principle of many flights with very short turnaround times. It will definately require front and back boarding for the 777-200.
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kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11958 posts, RR: 37 Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9434 times:
I would have thought that they would leave flights of up to 4h to Tiger/SilkAir and leave the longer flights to the new long haul operation. I would expect 10 abreast in Y and a premium economy of about 8 abreast, with a total of about 380-400 seats.
I would expect that although the basic fare would not allow connections, there would be a higher fare level which would allow connections to/from SQ services at SIN.
ojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2787 posts, RR: 23 Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9390 times:
I already see this venture coming to BOM. SQ recently announced extra flights to BOM apart from their current double daily and with the B772 being inducted into the LCC fleet, the possibility of this LCC coming to BOM seems stronger.
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joelyboy911 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 244 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9254 times:
I think the use of the 772 was a given - available out of SQ, rather like some of the QF A330s doing a turn at JQ, I suppose.
Quoting kl911 (Reply 7): For flights under 4 hours that would be fine. Any longer I guess they wont fly anyway as it would go against the LCC principle of many flights with very short turnaround times. It will definately require front and back boarding for the 777-200.
If I am not mistaken, the goal is to launch a long-haul LCC - along the lines of AirAsia X or Jetstar's longhaul operations. While aircraft utilisation will need to be kept high, the airline will have lower finance costs, due to the aircraft coming from the parent company.
Will Singapore use one of its existing brands, say Tiger, for this operation. Of course Tiger is getting bad press in this part of the world, as the Australian subsidiary faces grounding and possible permanent closure. Would it make more sense than establishing an altogether new brand?
LondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1203 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7822 times:
I wonder if SQ's new venture will come to Europe ? SIN-MAN would seem possible. The route was served non-stop by one of these B772s in the past and one wonders if today's SIN-MUC-MAN service is viable given the stronger competition ex-MAN by the Gulf carriers.
Another possibility might be SQ's weaker European destinations like SIN-AMS or SIN-CPH.
bananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1558 posts, RR: 26 Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7737 times:
Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 11): Just out of curiosity, how many seats could you ram into a B777? (well, both 772 and 773)
ANA I believe have 777-200s with 418 Y class configured 3-4-3, with an additional 12 S class in a 2-2-2 configuration. They have 777-300's with a whopping 513 Y class and 12 S class in the same configurations.
AZA330 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 288 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7306 times:
Quoting bananaboy (Reply 14): They have 777-300's with a whopping 513 Y class and 12 S class in the same configurations.
Yup... seatguru shows that ANA's 777-300 has 495Y (3-4-3 config, 22" pitch and 17.0" seat width) and 21J (2-3-2, 60" pitch and 20.5 seat width). Total: 516 seats. I do not know if it gets much more LCC than this
alangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2093 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4649 times:
Are the Royal Brunei 777s to be returned to SQ? If BI return all of them, that would be six frames. Since these are long range of the 777, you might think the new airline would not fly them on medium range routes. Now, SQ is using A333s to replace 77Es on routes to Australian cities, or they are using non ER 777-300s (refurbished).
If they use them in 10 abreast configuration, that will match EK on routes to the Gulf. Would they use SQ or TT for connecting traffic? If the new airline flies to the Gulf, they will surely want to feed Indonesian traffic and Phillipine traffic on to their services.
Like Jetstar, they would be planning to compete against airlines that have lots of services included for the price - if they want to carry Australian traffic to Italy and Greece, and they want to charge people extra to hire an Ipad and a pillow, will that take passengers off EK and EY?
I hope so! I couldn't imagine 22"! 28" seems bad enough!
For many markets, passengers just search the web for the low fares. They might have a preference if it provides a significant (say > $75 USD on a round trip), otherwise, they go the cheapest. This is an attempt to contain/beat AirAsiaX. I suspect this venture will do very well. For the right price, there is still un-tapped Y demand.
MEL- No, likely SQ only
PER- No, likely SQ only
CNS- Good possibility
OOL- Possibility, but D7 would still be significant competition, and they have reportedly struggled for decent yields there.
AUH/SHJ- Possibility, with SHJ as a LCC alternative to DXB and AUH as a growing leisure destination
HGH/CTS/TSN- All decent possibilities.
NGO/FUK- Also, both good possibilities
I will add a couple of other options in though:
AVV- If it becomes an international base, maybe this LCC will look to open up a route there, leaving MEL as SQ only.
CBR- No international service yet, and maybe too hard to get to work with SQ metal, but an option for a couple of weekly flights it might be.
CHC- Possibility to replace SQ flights
DUR- Possibility to start service, or re-start as I think SQ once flew there
flythere From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 384 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3540 times:
Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 3): They probably don't have to decide that yet, as SQ currently has some excess 777s, and more will eventually be available as next batch of A333s will come along in 2013 and onwards.
May I confirm that SQ is transferring their 777-200 not 777-200ER to the new subsidary? Seems that the new airline is for long-haul missions if I am not mistaken right? Or will transfer those castrated 77E to the new airline after modification?
Quoting Cysafan (Reply 17): I think some of them B777-200 are refurbished with new seats so it will have added advantage and some are already fitted with AVOD IFE.. So I guess the IFE onboard cannot be charged..
If its like many people here said that the new airline config 3-4-3, all seats would have to be reinstalled and it will be inferior to SQ Y I would assume SQ not willing to see competition with its own mainline.
Quoting AZA330 (Reply 15): Yup... seatguru shows that ANA's 777-300 has 495Y (3-4-3 config, 22" pitch and 17.0" seat width) and 21J (2-3-2, 60" pitch and 20.5 seat width). Total: 516 seats. I do not know if it gets much more LCC than this
Just a question, can the new LCC fill all the 400+ seats to all the mentioned possible destinations, which some even not able to support SQ's own aircraft with smaller capacity?
Hope not, and if they do they will get my Krisflyer card returned to them. Besides I think the SQ brand will have to remain on CHC-SIN as D7 are already established as the LCC from the South Island - SE Asia. I cannot see SQ's new venture succeeding here.
Semaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 769 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3422 times:
Quoting LondonCity (Reply 13): I wonder if SQ's new venture will come to Europe ? SIN-MAN would seem possible. The route was served non-stop by one of these B772s in the past and one wonders if today's SIN-MUC-MAN service is viable given the stronger competition ex-MAN by the Gulf carriers.
Another possibility might be SQ's weaker European destinations like SIN-AMS or SIN-CPH.
Aah I would love for them to come to Europe. Fares to the Asia-Pacific and SE-Asia market are way too high for my agegroup (tweens), which is willing to do holidays far away on a low budget. The destinations are much more attractive than anything west or south-west of Europe. If the connecting times to Australia are right, I can see a lot of European youth going on those flights.
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25 shanxz: While taking 772s is not a surprised, the BIG question is whether they can make it work, profitably. Let's look at some of the challenges they face: 1
26 AZA330: Haha.... sorry guys... Yeah, I meant 32. It was late
27 Semaex: I'm not sure you really mean Thai International? My gut feeling tells me that this LCC-subsidiary will do the following to seperate themselves from S
28 qf002: This is going to be the biggest issue. My feeling is that they will do a QF-JQ, with the mainline product feeding into flights on the secondary produ
29 IndianicWorld: Its always a possibility though. The whole aim of this carrier is to take on D7 and 3K/JQ. The South Island is not really a business hotspot, but it
30 initious: Actually, Tiger Airways Singapore uses the code TR, not TT. That's for Tiger Airways Australia. I'm pretty sure you meant Tiger, not TG which is a fu
31 Brenintw: FWIW, SQ does not have any 777-200. All the SQ aircraft are -ERs, with some having the engines software-reduced to non-ERs specs.