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Woman Kicked Off Jetblue Flight Now Sues  
User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2254 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10422 times:

Woman kicked off New York flight after pilot thought she was not wearing pants

Malinda Knowles, 27, said she had boarded the Florida-bound jet when a supervisor approached her and "slapped his walkie-talkie in between [my] legs" and smacked them with the antenna, according to documents filed against the airline Thursday in Queens Supreme Court.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...frfkui-1226100036736#ixzz1SpQ4HQqU

After showing off her shorts, Knowles returned to the plane, but was told by the same walkie-talkie-wielding supervisor that the pilot would not take off with her aboard.

"He said, 'The captain is refusing to fly you today. We need to remove you from the flight,'" said Knowles, quoting the supervisor. "We need to remove you from the flight."


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...cked_off_flight.html#ixzz1SpQO4Dm7

[Edited 2011-07-22 03:24:20]


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13199 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10364 times:

I suspect that in a few months, she will most likely get a quiet and modest $ettlement. The 'supervisor' was inappropriate in his behavior, and I hope he was fired. Maybe she figured that with short-shorts on she would avoid or reduce the need of TSA agents touching her.   

Of course, this leads to another round here of comments noting the indecency/safety risk/lack of class in appearance to be on an airplane that is brought up whenever there has been a challange to a pax wearing skimpy outfits as well as bashing against airline employees.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4409 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10302 times:

We heared similar stories from Southwest, now Jetblue. I assume half of the a.net members would not mind to have her sit next to them. Absolutely unacceptable behaviour by the crew.

[Edited 2011-07-22 04:06:17]

User currently offlineaviatortj From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10223 times:

I am sure the airline's behavior is exactly as described in the story. Similarly, I am also sure the passenger's behavior was 100% compliant throughout the entire event.

User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9950 times:

Of-course she's going to sue, this is America....

Suing, second to Football is America's favorite sport


User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9923 times:

Quoting aviatortj (Reply 3):
I am sure the airline's behavior is exactly as described in the story. Similarly, I am also sure the passenger's behavior was 100% compliant throughout the entire event.

My thoughts exactly.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 1):
I suspect that in a few months, she will most likely get a quiet and modest $ettlement. The 'supervisor' was inappropriate in his behavior, and I hope he was fired.

You're probably right either way about the settlement. The fate of the crew member really comes down to a he-said, she-said situation and we don't know who witnessed this situation. There are two sides to every story. If it happened exactly as this lady contends, then I would agree with you whole-heartedly, but something tells me there are pieces missing or inaccuracies to her tale. Just saying....



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User currently offlineGrid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9809 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 5):
Quoting aviatortj (Reply 3):
I am sure the airline's behavior is exactly as described in the story. Similarly, I am also sure the passenger's behavior was 100% compliant throughout the entire event.

My thoughts exactly.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 1):
I suspect that in a few months, she will most likely get a quiet and modest $ettlement. The 'supervisor' was inappropriate in his behavior, and I hope he was fired.

You're probably right either way about the settlement. The fate of the crew member really comes down to a he-said, she-said situation and we don't know who witnessed this situation. There are two sides to every story. If it happened exactly as this lady contends, then I would agree with you whole-heartedly, but something tells me there are pieces missing or inaccuracies to her tale. Just saying....

So far, the airline has declined comment and did not explicitly deny the acts took place. At this point, the lack of a general or specific denial permits one to assume the incident occurred as the woman described it.



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User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9753 times:

Quoting Grid (Reply 6):
So far, the airline has declined comment and did not explicitly deny the acts took place. At this point, the lack of a general or specific denial permits one to assume the incident occurred as the woman described it.

Absolutely not true.
A lack of public denial does not imply guilt - most corporations in this country do not discuss on-going legal disputes. Having "no comment" is a safe way of saying this will be handled in the courtroom or perhaps out of it. Like most claims, there is probably some truth to her story mixed with embellishment and misunderstanding. It is not for any of us to say what happened or didn't happen, but I will say that unless you saw the incident unfold exactly as stated in this news article, it is OK to have some doubt about its complete accuracy.



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User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9448 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 7):

A lack of public denial does not imply guilt - most corporations in this country do not discuss on-going legal disputes.

Exactly, though most of the time public conception of "no comment" is "we're at fault but we don't like to admit it".

The way this article describes the situation I really have a hard time trying to picture the events, which makes me personally not fully believe what the woman describes.

Quoting news.com:
"I was sitting on the plane with my orange juice, minding my business, when he said, 'I don't want to see your panties, but do you have any on?'" she said. "He was very vulgar. I didn't want to show him anything. He asked me to come off the plane, but I didn't want to go anywhere with him."

The truth is somewhere in between the articles, as always.
And even though I try very hard not to judge.... this is america  



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User currently offlineparis380 From France, joined Jul 2011, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8912 times:

Jet Blue is the airline with crew members jumping off a plane. I am not surprised. Horrible airline.

User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5615 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8776 times:

Quoting paris380 (Reply 9):


Jet Blue is the airline with crew members jumping off a plane. I am not surprised. Horrible airline.

Gosh, I've never flown with them, but pretty much everyone I know who has done, speaks of their service with the highest of praise.

Methinks there's more to this story...



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User currently offlinemicstatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8676 times:

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 10):
Gosh, I've never flown with them, but pretty much everyone I know who has done, speaks of their service with the highest of praise.

Exactly. Jetblue is one of the more popular airlines. I've always been pleased with them.



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User currently offlineyvphx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8670 times:

I am still trying to figure out what the point of "slapping the walkie-talkie between her legs and smacking them with the antenna" was. I'm visually attempting to recreate this in my mind to form a visual of her not wearing any pants, however I keep coming to the same conclusion that she is wearing pants and my mind isn't as perverted anymore in my latter years of life and marriage.

On a separate note, as has been said before, where is the responsibility of the flying public to dress accordingly while flying. I mean for crying sake, your 36,000 feet closer to God, shouldn't you dress like you dress doing to church?


User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8619 times:

Quoting paris380 (Reply 9):
Jet Blue is the airline with crew members jumping off a plane. I am not surprised

The incident with the FA last year was pretty amazing, I'll give you that, but I really don't think that is indicative of JetBlue's service at all, at least not that I have seen. But bad apples exist everywhere.
With that said, this current lawsuit would be more than warranted if it happened the way it has been made to sound. However it would be extremely naive of anybody to just assume that the events unfolded just as this plaintiff has said. She has skin in the game too (no pun intended), so making it sound even more perverse or depraved is to her benefit. I think Jetblue is wise to lay low, a public statement could open up copycat lawsuits or affect the outcome of this lawsuit...

If I were to open a lawsuit against the TSA because I was touched inappropriately during screening, I'm sure people would believe it. But that doesn't mean it happened.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8581 times:

Quoting yvphx (Reply 12):
I am still trying to figure out what the point of "slapping the walkie-talkie between her legs and smacking them with the antenna" was

Makes two of us.

Quoting yvphx (Reply 12):
shouldn't you dress like you dress doing to church?

My most favourite typo in some time  



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User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8577 times:

This happened a year ago!!!!!! Are you freakin kidding me.


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User currently offlineskyliner747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 44 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7834 times:

Quoting paris380 (Reply 9):
et Blue is the airline with crew members jumping off a plane. I am not surprised. Horrible airline.

Quelle horror! Yes, it can be a dreadful little airline, thanks to some of the trashiest customers in the industry. Its a two way street, mon ami. You might be surprised at the general level of bad behavior on flights between NYC and Florida. The level of abuse on NYC-PBI flights is legendary in the industry. One look at this "former fashion model" will tell you that her account is probably less than complete. Was she mouthing off to the crew? Was she not compliant? We don't know. We are only hearing ne side as reported by a sensational press. I would imagine she was denied boarding due to more than a dress code issue. It takes a LOT to be removed from a JetBlue aircraft. Classless behavior is de riguer over there.
And since you brought me (the flight attendant involved in the incident on flt 1052) into this discussion, I might remind you that the events of JetBlue flight 1052 on August 9, 2010 occurred only after a crewmember was assaulted by one of these passengers, and had his head bashed open, and called profanities. How did the airline respond? By compensating the passenger $100. Maybe it is about time someone at JetBlue actually did start putting a stop to the boorish behavior that has become commonplace on their flights. I drew the line when the passenger drew my blood. But seeing as this is America, she'll do just fine in the courts. So much for profit sharing...
Au revoiur

[Edited 2011-07-22 18:07:06]

[Edited 2011-07-22 18:11:35]

[Edited 2011-07-22 18:12:39]

User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7309 times:

Quoting skyliner747 (Reply 16):
And since you brought me (the flight attendant involved in the incident on flt 1052) into this discussion, I might remind you that the events of JetBlue flight 1052 on August 9, 2010 occurred only after a crewmember was assaulted by one of these passengers, and had his head bashed open, and called profanities.

Like I said, that was pretty amazing. Did you ever think people would make t-shirts of that event (no, I have not bought one)??



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User currently offlinejoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 821 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7107 times:

Well considering america is not the most fashionable country in the world, people dressing like this would happen every day on flights. I am sure it happens in other parts of the world, but WTF was with the supervisor and his walkie talkie? That was messed up if its true. Also, I dont understand why the pilot made a fuss, after she was cleared, unless she was abusive. There are always 2 parts to the story. Considering this happened last year made me wondering what she exactly wants by suing? 30 million dollars?

Also, to the poster who said Jetblue is horrid, you have no idea what you are talking about. I flew them 3 times last year, and chose them over AA,UA because of what they offer. Great leg room, free snacks/drinks, great leg room, so if you want to try a horrid airline try someone else. Dont post crap without having any backup.


User currently offlineskyliner747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 44 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7107 times:

Never in a million. Merchandising was the last thing on my mind, I can assure you. This "bad apple" was for too busy working as the Chairman of the airlines uniform redesign committee, representing flight attendants as the elected base Quality of Life representative, and working on behalf of the marketing and inflight services department at HQ to be concerned with that. In addition, commuting transcontinental and acting as primary caretaker for a dying parent was a slight distraction as well. Of course, we'll never read about the 15 customer commendation letters, volunteer activities, or flying the troops during wartime. Nor will we hear about volunteering to work with family members who lost loved ones after the Skywest/USAir crash. Or comforting the families of those lost on TWA800 while working the first flight out of Rome following the crash, Or escorting bodies and families to final resting places in the aftermath. You wont have read about comforting unaccompanied minors, soothing fears after 9/11, or numerous medical emergencies handled with compassion. Decompression? Not newsworthy. No, because none of that is nearly as marketable as a splashy, trashy story hyped up into a greater incident that it really was. A story has to sell, and sell it did. It just wasn't me doing the selling. I was too busy doing time.
But I digress, and the thread is regarding another incident. Having worked with the gentlemen accused of slapping this "former fashion models'" surprisingly meaty thighs with a radio, I find the accusation very hard to believe. In corporate America, the concept of "innocent until proven" guilty does not exist. CYA and limiting liability at all costs takes precedent. That is why I have no doubt that the facts of this case will prove just as irrelevant as they have in other cases when it comes down to "he said, she said" between employee and passenger. They'll pay, and she'll keep on truckin'. The precedent has been set time and time again.


User currently offlineGrid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7010 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 7):
Absolutely not true.
A lack of public denial does not imply guilt - most corporations in this country do not discuss on-going legal disputes. Having "no comment" is a safe way of saying this will be handled in the courtroom or perhaps out of it. Like most claims, there is probably some truth to her story mixed with embellishment and misunderstanding. It is not for any of us to say what happened or didn't happen, but I will say that unless you saw the incident unfold exactly as stated in this news article, it is OK to have some doubt about its complete accuracy.

No, I think it is OK to guess that the events happened as described when one party declines to comment.

Quoting yvphx (Reply 12):
I am still trying to figure out what the point of "slapping the walkie-talkie between her legs and smacking them with the antenna" was. I'm visually attempting to recreate this in my mind to form a visual of her not wearing any pants, however I keep coming to the same conclusion that she is wearing pants and my mind isn't as perverted anymore in my latter years of life and marriage.

Yes, that was interesting. It's a specific allegation that tends to make people think it actually occurred or that she is out of her mind.



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User currently offlinemuzyck From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6470 times:
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Quoting SCCutler (Reply 10):
Methinks there's more to this story...
Quoting jetfuel (Thread starter):
Malinda Knowles, 27, said she had boarded the Florida-bound jet when a supervisor approached her and "slapped his walkie-talkie in between [my] legs" and smacked them with the antenna, according to documents filed against the airline Thursday in Queens Supreme Court.

Slapped his walkie talkie between my legs?



Wake up and smell the coffee here folks    


User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5606 times:

Quoting muzyck (Reply 21):

Slapping his walkie talkie antenna between someone's legs is just plane messed up. Its APPROPRIATE TOUCHING. I think that the airline deserves the lawsuit. Furthermore, the supervisor deserves to be disciplined severely. In-appropriate touching should not be tolerated AT ALL!!

[Edited 2011-07-22 22:45:01]


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User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 5342 times:

Quoting yvphx (Reply 12):
I mean for crying sake, your 36,000 feet closer to God, shouldn't you dress like you dress doing to church?

What if you are an an atheist?

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 4):
Of-course she's going to sue, this is America....

Suing, second to Football is America's favorite sport

That is my impression also, sadly when I said as much once in the past, post got deleted

Quoting skyliner747 (Reply 16):
I might remind you that the events of JetBlue flight 1052 on August 9, 2010 occurred only after a crewmember was assaulted by one of these passengers, and had his head bashed open, and called profanities. How did the airline respond? By compensating the passenger $100. Maybe it is about time someone at JetBlue actually did start putting a stop to the boorish behavior that has become commonplace on their flights.

It's not only the airline industry that staff are abused in such a manner and management fail to support them. Just over a year ago I was verbally and racially abused by a visitor. I used the correct reporting channels and management were very quick to.....sweep it under the carpet. In 25 years in my profession I don't think I have ever felt so angry.


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 3014 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 5221 times:

Just how short were these shorts that she was wearing ?

I mean, if you couldn't tell just by looking at her that she was wearing pants/shorts then something is strange ?

Why did the police have to escort her of the plane into a special hanger area to ascertain this ?

Seems like they may also have had doubts, as to what it is/was that she was wearing.



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25 IndianicWorld : As an outsider looking in, this was my first reaction. Sueing seems more a sport than anything else in the US. Goes beyond a joke really.
26 mysterzip : So let me get this straight. No sexual harassment charges filed against the supervisor? For those who have said that this behavior (touching the woman
27 Post contains images Semaex : ?!? I think you got over-emotional with your post. Calm down, reread, rewrite
28 hamad : I remember one time a lady got on board with a tank top and very short shorts goign to a warm destination, she had two blankets and requested one mor
29 Grid : Sexual harassment in the context you seem to be describing requires an employer-employee relationship. I don't think they were in one here. The prope
30 traindoc : In a country with more lawyers than doctors, suing is a way of life. Clearly lawyers are not just a modern problem. Why else would Shakespeare want to
31 Semaex : I should put that in my signature line. Sounds epic, unfortunately. True though? I mean are there factually more lawyers than doctors in the US? Off-
32 Post contains images ASA : So exactly how many "crew members" jumped off B6 planes?!! or ??!!
33 N623JB : Just one. JetBlue is a great airline. I dont know why they are talking crap about them, even though there was this incident where a woman is suing je
34 anshuk : There is also the instance of former NFL players suing the NFL, thereby combining the two :-P If he did poke her with her walkie talkie, it is unacce
35 Grid : Because you have to kill the lawyers if you want to end democracy and rule as a tyrant. Shakespeare did not want to kill the lawyers, his character d
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