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UA 747/767 Vs 777 First/Business Seats  
User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9454 times:

According to United's website, it lists the UA 747/767 First Class as being 31" in width and Business Class as 23.5" in width vs. 22" and 19" in width on the 777, respectively.

Is this correct that the new UA First and Business is this different between the 747/767 and the 777 or is this a misprint? 9" and 4.5" is a HUGE difference between aircraft.

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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9437 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Thread starter):
According to United's website, it lists the UA 747/767 First Class as being 31" in width and Business Class as 23.5" in width vs. 22" and 19" in width on the 777, respectively.

Is this correct that the new UA First and Business is this different between the 747/767 and the 777 or is this a misprint? 9" and 4.5" is a HUGE difference between aircraft.

AFAIK all of the IPTE seats are exactly the same size...except for the upper deck of the 744s which have slightly less pitch.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30626 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9433 times:
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The 777 might be referring to the older First Suite and "cradle-style" Business Class seats, as I believe the 777 fleet is still being upgraded to the new product already installed on all 747s and 767s.

User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9386 times:

Well that is listed under "International Premium Travel Experience 1 & 2" under 777 seat maps. If that is an error then it definitely should be corrected as it would discourage someone looking to book a flight in F or J on a UA 777.

See bottom of this page:
http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6867,50977,00.html#IPTE_1


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9355 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Thread starter):
According to United's website, it lists the UA 747/767 First Class as being 31" in width and Business Class as 23.5" in width vs. 22" and 19" in width on the 777, respectively.

Is this correct that the new UA First and Business is this different between the 747/767 and the 777 or is this a misprint? 9" and 4.5" is a HUGE difference between aircraft.

With J class it's probably just differences in fuselage widths, though it does seem to be a big difference. F is a big surprise - I think the F measurement on the 747/767 is probably the wrong one though - sounds way too high from what I've seen in pictures. Maybe they've done that one as the measurement across the entire suite space rather than the actual seat?


User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9333 times:

19" business class is horrible.

User currently offlinetymnbalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9305 times:

Can anyone tell me what the difference is (if any) between the United First seats on the 777 with the IPTE vs. the international configuration?


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User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9078 times:

Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 6):

I believe it's just old seats vs new seats.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8923 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 7):
I believe it's just old seats vs new seats.

It is and should be updated/corrected/clarified


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9511 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8890 times:

The angle of the seats on the 747, 767 and 777 are different in First to accommodate the different fuselage widths. However the seat itself is the same. The overlap is different however.


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User currently offlinegenybustrvlr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8853 times:

I've never carried a tape measure on a plane but the numbers seem accurate. The new 747/767 products are significantly nicer than the old product which is still on most 777.

User currently offlinetymnbalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8780 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 7):
Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 6):

I believe it's just old seats vs new seats.

So, from a functionality point of view there's no difference? Just the age of the seats?



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8750 times:

Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 11):
So, from a functionality point of view there's no difference? Just the age of the seats?

The "old" J seats are of the recliner type and are smaller than the "new" IPTE version which are lie-flas seats in J class.

The old and new seats in F are both lie-flat pods however that's about where the similarities end. The new seats have a significantly upgraded IFE system, are larger, cosmetically are very different and use a standard plug vs EmPower.



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User currently offlinetymnbalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8245 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 12):


The old and new seats in F are both lie-flat pods however that's about where the similarities end. The new seats have a significantly upgraded IFE system, are larger, cosmetically are very different and use a standard plug vs EmPower.

Thanks for this. I'm apparently on an old-F config from IAD to GIG in January, (according to the UA website). Oh well...I'll try not to complain! 



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8138 times:

Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 13):

Thanks for this. I'm apparently on an old-F config from IAD to GIG in January, (according to the UA website). Oh well...I'll try not to complain! 

No need to worry...the soft product is the same, both have in seat power just make sure you have an EmPower adapter, and the seat is very comfortable..its just a couple of inches smaller.



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7935 times:
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One thing this makes me think of are the 2 leather arms on the NEW F seat on UA. It is designed quite differently than other similar pod-like F seats. There is an outer shell which wraps around from one hand to the other in the upright take-off position. Even in recline the arm rest (in brown leather) can be fully raised, but there is a button that retracts them straight down and at any desired height to all the way down. When you recline to a flat bed but do not push the arms down the width would be "a lot" smaller than when you recline to "bed" and push the arms straight down too. Given the arms are about 3" wide, when you have them retracted with the bed it adds about 6" to the width from your shoulders to your hands creating an unbelievable width for your upper body to turn and flip or lie flat as much as you want. Also the seat is like a mile long. At 6" tall I can lay flat and my head and feet still have a lot of room left. It's cushioning is very, very comfortable and where the seat back meets the seat bottom cushion- there is no bump! But i went on a tangent (sorry) but with arms down I bet it is 31". I have also flown in the UA forward/backward business class seat- but only on a 767. It too is very comfortable and nobody should complain about sitting in one while their are over 100 people in economy who would love to be in your seat! - now economy with gauze blankets that are worse than mosquito netting- but the seats are much tighter than F for sure but are still surprisingly long and there is NO storage space at all.
I haven't been in the new CO flat seat - until tonight! I will be in one from EWR to FRA and I will let you know how they compare with UA's biz seat.



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User currently offlinetymnbalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7849 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 14):
No need to worry...the soft product is the same, both have in seat power just make sure you have an EmPower adapter, and the seat is very comfortable..its just a couple of inches smaller.

Thanks for this! I'm returning in Feb I'm on a UA767 in F LHR-ORD. Looking forward to both flights! I'll have to dig out my EmPower adapter for my Mac.



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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3195 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7751 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 15):
I haven't been in the new CO flat seat - until tonight! I will be in one from EWR to FRA and I will let you know how they compare with UA's biz seat.

How about a TR.  



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7202 times:
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Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 17):

What's a TR? sorry for my ignorance?



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User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7060 times:

TR= Trip report, take a look at the trip report forum, intersting stuff there

User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7027 times:
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Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 13):

Parabens! Rio is my favorite city (besides my home NYC) Are you are on a 777? Sometimes they put a newly configured 777 on the route if it stops in GRU first then hops over to Rio. But only a last minute equp change- but it happens! But if your on the non-stop seasonal flight they will probably use a 767 unless they upgrade this year! If it's a 3 class 767 your in the FAB FIRST seat. If you are on a 2 class 767 you may get an old CO recliner seat unless CO puts their new seats on all their 767's by then. Right now I would never give CO $6/7000 for a chair in BF. I don't know why CO are refitting their 767's (especially on the 400's) after the 777's and 757's- and how long it will take to refit them. It would be great if they took some of their 767's and fit them with the UA 3 class seats.
But if you are in the old lie flat UA seat, it's not awful. It's ugly compared to the new one, small screen, an odd "tape" system where you can choose from a fake wicker basket a handful of extra movies. The best part of the old seat is that you can drop down the aisle arm so to give you a lot of extra room and very easy to go to the lav!



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User currently offlinetymnbalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6860 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 20):
Parabens! Rio is my favorite city (besides my home NYC) Are you are on a 777?

I'm traveling in late January. So far the flight is showing a UA 777 with a 12 seat F cabin and a 2x3x3 bus. cabin so that seems to indicate "old" first class. The flight does call at GRU before continuing on to GIG. I'm looking forward to it!
My first visit to Rio introduced me to the seductions of the caipirinha. The caipirinha is a cruel mistress who refuses to let me go. 

Oh, and the VC10? Truly my favorite aircraft.



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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3195 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6860 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 18):

What's a TR? sorry for my ignorance?

Okay,probably to late for this journey, maybe next time.
You grab your digital camera and start taking pictures from the moment you leave home.
You photograph the check-in, boarding, flight, meals, menus, toilets, other passengers, any thing that moves,or not.
When you get home you upload it all to photobucket and then write a Trip Report for us here.
Simple.   

Seriously, take a look at the Trip Report forum when you have time and see all the WONDERFUL reports of other peoples trips around the world in all the different classes of travel and then share your journey with us.  



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User currently offlineKFitz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6650 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 3):
Well that is listed under "International Premium Travel Experience 1 & 2" under 777 seat maps. If that is an error then it definitely should be corrected as it would discourage someone looking to book a flight in F or J on a UA 777.

Not many walkup F and C book based on the descriptions on the website, if any - part of the reason why there isn't much attention given to it in the first place. Most sitting in F and C have done it countless times before.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 15):
One thing this makes me think of are the 2 leather arms on the NEW F seat on UA. It is designed quite differently than other similar pod-like F seats. There is an outer shell which wraps around from one hand to the other in the upright take-off position. Even in recline the arm rest (in brown leather) can be fully raised, but there is a button that retracts them straight down and at any desired height to all the way down. When you recline to a flat bed but do not push the arms down the width would be "a lot" smaller than when you recline to "bed" and push the arms straight down too. Given the arms are about 3" wide, when you have them retracted with the bed it adds about 6" to the width from your shoulders to your hands creating an unbelievable width for your upper body to turn and flip or lie flat as much as you want. Also the seat is like a mile long. At 6" tall I can lay flat and my head and feet still have a lot of room left. It's cushioning is very, very comfortable and where the seat back meets the seat bottom cushion- there is no bump! But i went on a tangent (sorry) but with arms down I bet it is 31". I have also flown in the UA forward/backward business class seat- but only on a 767. It too is very comfortable and nobody should complain about sitting in one while their are over 100 people in economy who would love to be in your seat! - now economy with gauze blankets that are worse than mosquito netting- but the seats are much tighter than F for sure but are still surprisingly long and there is NO storage space at all.
I haven't been in the new CO flat seat - until tonight! I will be in one from EWR to FRA and I will let you know how they compare with UA's biz seat.

I found the CO C seat to be almost identicle to the UA C seat - they are both B/E Aereospace manufactured. The CO seat has more storage shelfing space (though nowhere near UA F), the remote has a small color display (nice detail), and the seating controls are slghtly different. But the seat is very similar, right down to the noises it makes when in operating. The bulkhead CO seats have more legroom than any seat on the aircraft, but the other seats have less footwell space than the UA C seat. The length is also slightly smaller, more in line with the 744 U/D seating length. It's not a problem for anybody shorter than 6', but I couldn't lay down comfortably (6'2") on my backside, having to scrunch up - maybe the bulkheads would be better, I have yet to fly on those, but this is my experience on the 772 and 757. Also keep in mind on UA C on the 744 U/D), window seats still have a small storage bin between the seats and the window for a briefcase, laptop, pillow/blanket, etc. And you are correct about the length of the seat increasing when the armrests are lowered - http://electronista.macnn.com/content/0612/unitedfirstsuite-2.jpg

Furthermore, there are differences in the F product in terms of the backrest/shoulder area size between the 763 772 744.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 20):
The best part of the old seat is that you can drop down the aisle arm so to give you a lot of extra room and very easy to go to the lav!

This is by far my favorite feature of the old UA F pod/suite. I am sure I'm not the only one who feels trapped in when meal service is in full swing and the bladder starts calling. Pre IPTE-F suite, this was never a problem, and probably my own personal most beloved feature of the old F suite (along with the ability to slide the seat forward into the forward "cubby", where you could work on the fold out tray table - neither are doable on the new F suite. Also, properly maintained, the old F suite had better build quality than the new one (and most new products). Softer touch plastics, nicer trim materials, etc.


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6433 times:
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Quoting ordjoe (Reply 19):

Ok! I will use my iPhone and take pics! Best I can! Then discover "TR"
Thx



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25 penguinflies : If it's a 767, it will be the new ITPE product. 747 and 767-intl are 100%. 777s are being converted. For me, a quick way to see a schedule for a 777
26 tymnbalewne : I was going with the 12 vs 8 seats in F or the 2x3x2 config vs. the 2x4x2 in business.
27 breaker1011 : Do you mean UA 777 business class is 2x3x2? Wow, didn't know that. DL by comparison is 1-2-1?
28 ATLflyer : Still very stupid to not have correct information about the products that make you the most money.
29 tymnbalewne : According to their website yes...the "old" business class is 2x3x2 and the new is 2x4x2. BA also has 2x4x2 and I find it claustrophobic.
30 VC10er : Ok! I'm now in Prague! I took many pics. It was my first ride in the CO BF seat. It's really nice and I agree that it is close enough to the UA biz s
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