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Mexican Aviation Thread 9  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Posted (3 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 20396 times:
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As the previous one reached more than 250 posts, we are opening this new one

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Mexican Aviation Thread 8 (by LipeGIG Jun 6 2011 in Civil Aviation)


Regards and enjoy,
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User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 20492 times:

Sorry to be a bit off-topic but with no carriers on the FLL-MEX route does anybody think its likely we can see Volaris or another Mexican LCC tap into the route? NK serves the route from TLC but a MEX route should do well for an LCC. AM tried it but I think with their costs they might not have been able to make it work. What do you guys think?

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 20432 times:

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 1):
NK serves the route from TLC but a MEX route should do well for an LCC.

Oh that is true. How long has that been going on? What are the fares like? I wonder if they are having healthy loads.

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 1):
AM tried it but I think with their costs they might not have been able to make it work.

I guess it was a combination of higher costs, the inherent low-yield nature of the route, and the fact that they have a very robust MEX-MIA operation (so there would naturally be some cross-cannibalization). It is a pity that they could not make it work though.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 20415 times:

Can anyone provide some clarity as to why LAN didn't make a move into the Mexican market with the demise of MX? Also wasn't AA willing to invest in a post BK Mexicana? It just seems odd that the two didn't team up and form a joint venture subsidiary and keep MX going.


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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8549 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 20426 times:
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Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 3):
Can anyone provide some clarity as to why LAN didn't make a move into the Mexican market with the demise of MX? Also wasn't AA willing to invest in a post BK Mexicana? It just seems odd that the two didn't team up and form a joint venture subsidiary and keep MX going.

I would have thought that AA is hardly in a position to invest in anybody. As for LAN, quite sensibly they only want to invest when they can have control, Mexican law makes this impossible, there are plenty of other markets where LAN's investments are welcome so why bother with a market where they wouldn't be welcome. Also, perhaps they decided that MX was simply in too bad shape to be worth investing in?



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 20374 times:
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Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 3):
Can anyone provide some clarity as to why LAN didn't make a move into the Mexican market with the demise of MX?

LAN is growing in a sustainable fashion, (for example, just having entered the Colombian domestic market). LAN Airlines S.A. already has a Mexican cargo affiliate, Aerotransportes Mas de Carga, S.A. de C.V., of which LAN owns 39.5% and understands the Mexican market very well. Usually wherever LAN has cargo affiliates, passenger affiliates are launched or acquired in due course. Examples include, Línea Aérea Carguera de Colombia S.A. in Colombia and ABSA - Aerolinhas Brasileiras S.A. in Brazil.


User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 20371 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 2):
Oh that is true. How long has that been going on? What are the fares like? I wonder if they are having healthy loads.

It's been going on for 3 years already. Another thing. Why did they chose TLC instead of MEX? Are the airport cost's that different?

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 2):
I guess it was a combination of higher costs, the inherent low-yield nature of the route, and the fact that they have a very robust MEX-MIA operation (so there would naturally be some cross-cannibalization). It is a pity that they could not make it work though.

Definitely. Their MIA operation is very robust. With flights to MTY, CUN and MEX its definitely impressive. Although it rises a question. Why are there no Mexican LCC's in Florida at all?


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 20332 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 3):
Can anyone provide some clarity as to why LAN didn't make a move into the Mexican market with the demise of MX? Also wasn't AA willing to invest in a post BK Mexicana? It just seems odd that the two didn't team up and form a joint venture subsidiary and keep MX going.

As kiwiandrew pointed Mexican passenger airlines can only have up to 25% of foreign investment. An exemption may be obtained so long as the additional investment is represented by non-voting shares. In this sense, control of a Mexican carrier is out of reach for foreign investors. This is clearly a deterrent for companies like LA, AF, SQ, etc.

I understand, but don't quote me on this, that AA closely examined the MX situation and whether it could support its Mexican partner via loans or something, but nothing came of it. I can only speculate that the decision to not make any loan or contribution stemmed from the fact that MX was in a really dire situation and AA did not believe it could ever recoup its investment/loan. Also, I think the MX situation deteriorated quite rapidly (or in better terms, the true graveness of the situation became known to everybody quite late), which also may have made it hard for many potential investors to react in a timely manner.

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 6):
Why did they chose TLC instead of MEX? Are the airport cost's that different?

I suppose TLC is substantially cheaper than MEX, which helps NK keep its costs down. With the massive exodus of flights of the likes of Volaris and Interjet from TLC to MEX, I am sure TLC officials were really eager to offer discounts and incentives to a carrier such as NK.

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 6):
Why are there no Mexican LCC's in Florida at all?

I don't know when exactly, but I would not rule Volaris out. It could be a matter of a couple of years or so. This is my personal opinion. Interjet does not seem to be too interested in U.S. destinations, but they would do well too I think.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 20319 times:

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 6):
It's been going on for 3 years already. Another thing. Why did they chose TLC instead of MEX? Are the airport cost's that different?

Actually that route was just recently open by NK. It has not been operating for 3 years.


User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 20317 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 8):
Actually that route was just recently open by NK. It has not been operating for 3 years

Really? I thought it was started in late 2008? Or was that when it was anounced?


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 20307 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
I don't know when exactly, but I would not rule Volaris out. It could be a matter of a couple of years or so. This is my personal opinion. Interjet does not seem to be too interested in U.S. destinations, but they would do well too I think.

I agree it may be a couple of years(two maybe) before Interjet, Viva or Volaris decide to open routes to Florida. Right now they are all busy trying to fill gaps left by Mexicana and trying to gain market share out of MEX.

Interjet is interested in the United States, they want all of MX's MEX-USA route authorities be given to them without having to request for them. They know when the routes go up for grabs they will not end up with all of them since they will be competing with Volaris, Viva and maybe Magni and Aeromar. I believe this is why Volaris asked for extra-bilaterals to some how prevent Interjet from taking all of the Mexico City- U.S. pie.


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 20301 times:

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 9):
Really? I thought it was started in late 2008? Or was that when it was anounced?

Spirit Airlines submitted their application to start FLL-TLC on January 29, 2011 DOT-OST-2011-0011. You're probably thinking of Volaris. They applied to operate TLC-FLL March of 2009 and were granted the authority, but have not open the route.
 

[Edited 2011-07-24 15:40:24]

User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 20267 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 11):
Spirit Airlines submitted their application to start FLL-TLC on January 29, 2011 DOT-OST-2011-0011. You're probably thinking of Volaris they applied to operate TLC-FLL March of 2009 and were granted the authority but have not open the route.

Oh sorry. Wow that was alot more close than I thought! Thanks!


User currently offlinehomeland545 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 20219 times:

Interjet will be starting MTY - CUL and GDL - HMO starting on 15 Ago 3x weekly for both routes


Link: http://www.interjet.com.mx/Home.aspx?culture=es-MX (Spanish)
Link: http://www.interjet.com.mx/Home.aspx?culture=en-US (English)



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User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 20103 times:

AM might not launch PTY.

Due to bilateral with Panama, MX currently still hold route rights.

4O proposed starting August 1st whereas AM September 15th.

Chances are 4O will be the only Mexican carrier flying.

g77

[Edited 2011-07-25 01:06:12]


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19890 times:
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Great news for Cancún. On 10/30/2011, LAN Perú will increase frequency on the LIM-CUN route from 5x weekly to a daily service!

LP588 LIM 12:35 CUN 16:55 (A319) Daily
LP589 CUN 17:55 LIM 00:05+1 (A319) Daily

LA will continue to operate the SCL-CUN-MIA route weekly:
LA582 SCL-CUN-MIA weekly (B763)
LA583 MIA-CUN-SCL weekly (B763)


User currently onlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 19825 times:
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How long is the flight from CUN-LIM? About 6 hours?


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 19821 times:
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Quoting avi8 (Reply 16):
How long is the flight from CUN-LIM? About 6 hours?

LIM-CUN is 5 hours and 10 minutes, (CUN is the only North American destination where LAN operates the A-319).
LIM-PUJ also increases to a daily service utilizing the A-319 and is blocked at 4 hours and 55 minutes.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 19780 times:

I am very surprised that so far there are no posts on this thread or even a new thread about the abrupt return of AM's MEX-BCN flight to MTY due to the fact that a woman allegedly blacklisted by the U.S. was on board and the U.S. exercised its sovereign right to disallow the aircraft to enter its airspace. Well, maybe there is a thread or a post on another thread somewhere, but I have not been able to find it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...irspace-blacklist-raquel-gutierrez

I do not have a clear opinion on this at this point in time... and I am not even sure I want to come up with one and, let alone, share it (other than how the episode must have been quite annoying for the other passengers). Nonetheless, I do recognize this is good material for a heated discussion.    So guys and girls, discuss. Lipe and the rest of the mods, if you think this belongs on a separate thread or on Non-Av, please do as you have to.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinehomeland545 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 19730 times:

Viaaerobus has announced they will start flights from Monterrey to Chicago (Midway) starting 14 Oct...it will be 2x weekly Mon and Fri

Link: http://www.vivaaerobus.com/




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User currently onlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 19735 times:
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On other news TACA brought their GUA-MEX flights from 14x weekly to 11x weekly, looks like 4O and AM are winning the battle.


avi8
User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 19717 times:

Quoting homeland545 (Reply 19):
Viaaerobus has announced they will start flights from Monterrey to Chicago (Midway) starting 14 Oct...it will be 2x weekly Mon and Fri

Great news!! Good to see Viva coming to MDW. Looks like Viva will be operating the flight during the day just like Mexicana and Aviacsa did as oppose to AM's current redeye flight.

Here the flights.
VB 1920 MTY 11:15am - 2:50pm MDW
VB 1921 MDW 3:50pm - 7:25pm MTY

Now to see what Volaris will do with the extra-bilateral that was granted to them on MTY-MDW.

[Edited 2011-07-26 14:01:10]

User currently offlineLH417AF025 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19702 times:

does anyone know the story behind Delta's flight 476 the 1h20am departure MEX-ATL? It is awesome to have this red-eye, but I see that it is very short lived??

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19672 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 21):
Looks like Viva will be operating the flight during the day just like Mexicana and Aviacsa did as oppose to AM's current redeye flight.

AM flies 4x weekly MTY-ORD in the evening and 4x weekly ORD-MTY in a red-eye schedule, correct?

Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 22):
does anyone know the story behind Delta's flight 476 the 1h20am departure MEX-ATL? It is awesome to have this red-eye, but I see that it is very short lived??

I found out about it only very recently. I was surprised too. With this, there are 35 weekly nonstop services between MEX and ATL all on DL metal. But you are right, later in the year, this flight is no more and the schedule goes back to 28 weekly flights. Maybe it is a summer season-only service to match supply to the added demand ex-MEX that is typical of the summer?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 19663 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 23):
AM flies 4x weekly MTY-ORD in the evening and 4x weekly ORD-MTY in a red-eye schedule, correct?

That is correct, the flights operate Mondays, Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays. AM is sending the E190 for MTY-ORD.

AM 670 MTY 10:00pm - 1:25am ORD
AM 671 ORD 2:25am - 6:00am MTY

The flight originates and ends at BJX, maybe one of the reasons AM has this as as a redeye.


25 LH417AF025 : i don't know, but it is fantastic! i hope they keep it year round. is anyone able to look in one of the GDS's to find out the exact period of operati
26 EddieDude : Well, I made a random search on SkyTeam's timetable for mid-October flights, and the flight was gone. Not a huge fan of red-eyes here, but I do ackno
27 SJOtoLIR : Perhaps the excess of weekly flights in such route: TACA, AEROMEXICO and INTERJET, Regards.
28 ghost77 : There's no excess. MX flew 3X DAILY + TA flights. So finally after a year the capacity is getting covered. g77
29 JJJM : AM starting flights to Caracas-Venezuela on October 10th. AM694 MEX-CCS 00:40 06:15 B737 Daily AM695 CCS-MEX 07:30 12:30 B737 Daily Well this covers S
30 ghost77 : It's been reduced to 10X eff tomorrow. 4O keeps 13X and AM 14X. Lets see who's next reducing. This route only supports 28X daily. g77
31 Post contains images EddieDude : Awesome! Thanks for the information. Not quite! GIG is the missing piece of the puzzle! In my wish list, AM would launch GIG and reshuffle the freque
32 avi8 : My guess is TACA will return to 7x weekly. 4O and AM will stay at double daily. Since AM is going in with the E190, I guess that'll give enough room
33 ghost77 : And PTY!! AM is facing trouble with Mexican Interjet. +1, we're just missing flights to GIG and a reschedule to SCL as 10 years ago, that would be fa
34 EddieDude : Is the codeshare agreement with CM still in place?
35 Civilav : I have just looked at my Sabre GDS display and it is still very much in place. Flights from Cancún and México City are being shown with both AM and
36 Post contains links AR385 : AM has announced today a net profit of $45 million USD for the 2nd. quarter of this year, against a net loss of $4 million USD for the same period of
37 Post contains links LatinPlane : It is quite clear that there was too much capacity in the Mexican domestic skies. Interestingly enough due to the emergency restructuring efforts led
38 ghost77 : Why is Viva a joke LatinPlane? Many MX routes haven´t yet been covered with MX aggressiveness and AM will start struggling once a new Mexican carrier
39 Post contains links and images LatinPlane : Because their reputation is not the greatest with the Mexican public. While they offer unbeatable fares by being the RYANAIR of Mexico, their on-time
40 XA744 : Well, maybe I was lucky ( one in a million ? ), but I flew this fellas last May, for the very first time in my life and just for the fun of it. All f
41 Post contains links LatinPlane : XA744: Perhaps you are right and one should not be too quick to criticize them. They do attract more negative attention than the normal. They are the
42 DavidCA : A couple of our Mexican friends here have written some pretty negative stuff about Volaris. I have never flown them, but for some reason or other have
43 homeland545 : My experience with Viva has been great, I've flown them mostly on MTY - CUL and so far they have on time and very friendly, I remember that the check
44 ghost77 : Have you flown them once or recently? No, it's not. Well, I might have been lucky too, but last year when I flew MEX-PVR-MEX I was absolutely pleased
45 Post contains images EddieDude : I really doubt it. Viva is a privately held company and therefore is not required to disclose its results to the general public. I agree with you. In
46 Post contains links adriaticus : Hello! Long time no see! I missed most of the last thread, so don't know if someone has discussed this. It seems PVR will be receiving a weekly B767 f
47 Post contains links homeland545 : I don't think it has been posted, I'm sorry if it has but volaris started to fly LAS - MEX (28 July) LInks: http://www.vegasinc.com/news/2011/jul/28/v
48 RAGAZZO777 : Starting in November LAN Peru will offer DAILY flights to/from MEX, currently they offer six flights per week on the route. Also, the departure time o
49 Post contains links ghost77 : Yes. English report: http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...1-as-mexican-market-recovers/page1 They're looking for it... my guess is that it will be
50 EddieDude : Very interesting article Ghost, thanks a lot for sharing! "Mr Conesa said the group is potentially interested in acquiring additional widebody aircraf
51 MaverickM11 : Anyone know why VB charges int'l fees/taxes twice, versus anyone else? Roundtrip fees/taxes for MTYMDW are $174 on VB! The same fees/taxes for MDWGDL
52 olli : What do you mean?
53 MaverickM11 : I thought the order for the unproven aircraft, from an industry that produces clunkers like clockwork, was a red flag.
54 AR385 : It´s actually more like 40% Russian and 60% Italian, particularly the ones heading for Western customers.
55 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Not sure if that makes it better or worse
56 Post contains images AR385 : Oh. Come on. Except for that "super cooled water icing affair" (and the AMR ATR72 it brought down) making a crater that would honorably rival the one
57 Post contains links ghost77 : It's Russian, German, Spanish, Italian and even US design. And Boeing helped too. http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...oeing-helped-design-sukhois-
58 Post contains links EddieDude : Dunno if anyone really cares about this, but AM pasted on July 13 a sticker of Captain America on the fuselage of EI-DRE (737-800). The "special liver
59 Post contains images Mexicana757 : Over the weekend Volaris took delivery of a new A320 from Airbus, N505VL. This will be the 7th A320 for the airline and bringing the fleet to 31 airpl
60 AR385 : So. When will we be seeing the corresponding aircraft from VivaAerobbús wearing a special Blue Demon livery?
61 Post contains images homeland545 : it looks awesome thanks for sharing
62 Post contains links homeland545 : Aeromexico announced today that they will perform the first transcontinental flight using biofuel, on their 77E Link: http://2010.aeromexico.com/us/Ex
63 SJOtoLIR : Confirmed plans on American Airlines: Dallas/Ft. Worth - Guadalajara: 21x to 14x weekly. American Eagle service canceled. Dallas/Ft. Worth - Torreon:
64 Post contains links skyone : I am with you man, I fly Y4 once or twice a month on the MEX-CUN and MEX-TIJ routes. My last 4 segments to this two destinations were packed to hell.
65 Post contains images Fyano773 : Indeed. The perception is that reliability and aircraft economics of Russian planes are questionable. Actually, it was one of the reasons investors w
66 laca773 : How's Volaris' inflight service? Do they serve any type of meal on their longer flights, i.e., SJC/LAX-GDL, MEX-TIJ and etc..? Is there still talk of
67 Mexicana757 : I'm not seeing either JFK or MIA come up on their search option. The DOT isn't showing anything being submitted by Interjet requesting extra-bilatera
68 Post contains links EddieDude : Paraguay is trying to lure AM. Apparently a ticket office has been opened in Luque, in Asunción. I really don't see AM flying to ASU, unless they dec
69 Post contains images MaverickM11 : They've changed that recently--they used to show you the airfare only on the website and then all in at the very end, but now you can select flights
70 ghost77 : Their service is marginal. No hot meals. The best you can get and SOMETIMES, it's AM. They have sold one already to Omni Air Intl. Engines are not co
71 EddieDude : Hi Ghost. Wouldn't the 777 be too big for BCN? I would love to see CDG being operated with 777s though. Do you have any more news about the current A
72 laca773 : Thanks for the information, ghost77. I wondered about that. I know AM has made cutbacks as well and with the talk or rumors Volaris will become a ful
73 Mexicana757 : VivaAerobus will be opening three more U.S. destinations in November, MCO, MIA and SAT. San Antonio starts November 8th operating 3X weekly, Tuesdays,
74 Post contains links EddieDude : It seems Canada and Mexico are opening their skies to each other, or at least have reached a more liberal commercial aviation agreement. http://englis
75 pzurita1 : Fully agree. Mexican government has proved to be very lame when it comes to bilateral negotiations. It seems to me everybody gets much more from Mexi
76 Civilav : Eddie, As with all the other treaties signed these past couple of weeks (the one with Panama is at the forefront), the Mexican government has, for th
77 DavidCA : Civilav, I get the impression that you know a lot more about Canadian-Mexican relations than I do, but many of us here in Canada thought it a disgrace
78 Fyano773 : Agreed. TS will speed up traffic to Mexico from 350,000 to 500,000 passengers annually. That increment was expected by 2015 but now with the ammended
79 Mexicana757 : VivaAerobus today presented their application to the DOT to be granted the authority to fly MTY-MCO and MTY-MIA, DOT-OST-2011-0148. Along with those t
80 Post contains images LAXintl : and that's the way it should be. A country should look at the macro economic picture, and not focus on only on a single industries welfare. Having in
81 N623JB : Im hoping to see JFK-MEX via Interjet. Hope I see that one soon if MX doesnt return.
82 Fyano773 : That's what theory says, leading always to a happy path. Let's take a look at Cancún/Riviera Maya, the main tourist destination in the country and w
83 LAXintl : Sure Mexican's benefit greatly. Who build these hotels? Who works in these hotels? Who supplies these hotels with food, to chlorine in the pool? Who
84 Fyano773 : True, but you are missing something... Those examples that you have listed are low profile jobs with low wages, performed as you said by Mexicans. As
85 LAXintl : And you miss the point that a business like hotels has maybe a 10% profit margin, so 90% of that 150-300USD night hotel rate room goes back into cost,
86 avi8 : Off topic, but does anyone know if Aeromexico Connect is operating MEX-GUA starting August 25th? I know this is how it was supposed to be but I am see
87 Post contains links skyone : Wow, Excelsior Newspaper is confirming: MX (Mexicana) to start Chapter 7 process "Quiebra", so it is the end for this old mexican airline. No one was
88 Fyano773 : Those hotels are managed, administered and run from abroad, meanwhile, marketing, systems, logistics and processes are not designed in Mexico. These
89 AR385 : Let´s see. I don´t get it. The news says that the actual timeframe is until the 28th and that there are "real groups waiting in hiding for this mom
90 AM001 : As it happens in 90% of the countries, considering that the most popular Hotel Management systems are basically made in the US, in France or in Norwa
91 Fyano773 : Thanks for clear this up AM001, I stand corrected. Regards....
92 Post contains links ghost77 : Aeromexico is only profitable in Mexico, Central and South America. Sorry, link only in Spanish: http://www.flyapm.com/foro/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13
93 EddieDude : Lol. I started the discussion about the Canada treaty so I think I should at least say something. Have not been much online, that's why this did not c
94 Civilav : Fyano, I fail to see the relevance of checking the airline's financial figures when we are talking here about is opening up a market (in this instanc
95 MaverickM11 : MX is out of the picture, so that might explain most of the "progress" since they were the largest carrier to North America
96 EddieDude : Correct. In North America, particularly, income is growing (which is logical because as you mention MX is out), and the losses are much smaller. I ha
97 Post contains links EddieDude : Yesterday's flight 0552 from AM flying TGZ-MEX had a broken windshield inflight and had to emergency land in VER. It seems a few passengers had a pani
98 Fyano773 : It’s quite simple, AM offers more than 12,000 weekly seats in upper South America, Central America and the Caribbean, whilst Canada (YUL), less tha
99 Post contains images homeland545 : I was just told that BRO - MTY is now year around and soon Tampico will have a direct flight to BRO with 5D...the loads on the MTY flights average in
100 Post contains links EddieDude : Yes, you are right: http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/art...ervice-129831-aeromexico-year.html AM is giving it a shot for one full year and is adding
101 AR385 : I don´t see that as a smart move. One thing is to have your loads up in the 90s during the Summer, but year round that´s another story. In the past
102 homeland545 : I respectfully disagree with you..the year around demand is their, right now a charter flight from MTY to BRO is about 1 000 one way and the charter
103 Post contains images Fyano773 : Volaris new 320 delivered at the end of July features the Pan American Games 2011 livery: This coming edition of the games will be held in Guadalajara
104 BNAOWB : Will this upcoming AMS-PVR flight be nonstop in both directions?
105 Post contains links Fyano773 : JJ officially announces MEX-GRU: TAM inaugura voo diário entre São Paulo e Cidade do México em 30 de outubro Schedules JJ8113 MEX 17:25 - 06:55+1 G
106 ghost77 : Yes, flown in 767-300. g77
107 LJ : No, the flight starts on November 7th (thus a week later). Each Monday one an Arkefly 767-300ER (OR323/4). The flight will depart AMS at 07:30, thus
108 bjorn14 : Does anybody know the IATA code for the new airport at Puerto Peñasco-Mar de Cortes? Thanks.
109 AM001 : PPE / MMPE Cheers...
110 wingedtaurus : Anybody knows about a SVO-CUN service by Aeroflot? Seems CUN is starting to get more and more transatlantic flights.
111 Post contains images Fyano773 : Due to runway maintenance in TIJ, as of September 6th, AM will be operating MEX-PVG via SJD: With 11,876 km (7,380 mi), this segment will be the longe
112 bjorn14 : Thanks...I didn't know if they were keeping the old code or not. BTW, are they closing the old airport?
113 AM001 : I might be wrong here, but I think it has already been closed... which is what enabled them to change the new airport's IATA/ designation from AMC to
114 Post contains links bjorn14 : Just in case you missed it..... Aeromexico FO Arrested In MAD... (by xaapb Aug 22 2011 in Civil Aviation)
115 Mexicana757 : Beginning October 3rd Aeromar will start flying to NLD (Nuevo Laredo) from MEX with a stop at CVM (Ciudad Victoria). Aeromar will operate one daily fl
116 CRJ900X : Does anyone know if Aeromar has plans to increase the size of its CRJ200 fleet? They currently operate two, but they were considering adding more to t
117 ghost77 : They said they secured 2 more but they wanted in total 4 more, to make 6. But so far, they haven´t got here. Initially two. I heard by end of this m
118 laca773 : The MEX-LAS doesn't make a lot of sense because of the limitations on carriers being able to operate service into airports like MEX. Why waste 2 week
119 MaverickM11 : Uh...why? Alma tried this with much less competitive capacity and it was a non starter.
120 viajero : Does anyone know if/when Volaris will execute its route authority to DFW? Regards, Viajero
121 Post contains links and images MayaviaERJ190 : Aeromexico's 737-800 EI-DRC visited Alaska today. Departed TIJ this morning bound for ANC as AM 9477 and at this time is flying back to TIJ from ANC a
122 AR385 : A charter for a cruise company?
123 Post contains images MayaviaERJ190 : Plausible but I'd say that if Baja people were going there for a cruise, wouldn't it have been easier to take Alaska SAN-SEA-ANC? Maybe it departed f
124 AR385 : For years there was a company here in Monterrey, that would twice a week charter a plane from AM in Tijuana, actually, at the end of the day, pick up
125 Post contains links and images LAXintl : Today Sunday August 28th marks the 1-year anniversary of Mexicana halting its flights. View Large View MediumPhoto © Juan Carlos Guerra - FlyAPM For
126 SCL767 : Next month AM will add an additional weekly frequency on the MEX-SCL route. Starting this November, AM will operate the MEX-SCL route 6x weekly.
127 EddieDude : You are right SCL767! Daily service except Saturdays inbound / Sundays return. AM 0010 MEX-SCL 23:55 - 11:15 (+1) AM 0011 SCL-MEX 23:30 - 05:00 (+1) I
128 viasa : My good... already a year ago... There must be always lot of MX's aircraft's stored in MEX. I have a total of 11 A320s (N291MX, N292MX, N304ML, N447A
129 ghost77 : Wrong Viasa. This is what's left: N292MX N304ML N332MX XA-UAH XA-MXR XA-MXS @ gdl XA-MXT XA-UMN @ mex WFU for spare parts XA-MXU @ gdl XA-MXV XA-MXW X
130 EddieDude : Oh an 762ER. Hmmm. Is AM still going to procure more widebodies as Conesa indicated in a recent interview?
131 ghost77 : Yes, and they're searching for it, that one, was an option, but some serious problems were found. g77
132 Post contains links EddieDude : AM will launch MEX-PTY flights during the first quarter of 2012: http://eleconomista.com.mx/industria...sta-aeromexico-vuelos-hacia-panama Spanish onl
133 Mexicana757 : The DOT today granted Interjet the extra bilateral to fly MEX-NYC, MEX-MIA and MEX-SAT. OST-2011-0159-0005 Now for the waiting game to see when they w
134 N623JB : That is good news. I look forward to seeing them in the NYC area.
135 LH506 : LH adding MUC-MEX (finally) starting March 26th, 2012 LH 520 MUC 22:25 - MEX 04:25 +1 A346 daily xWed Sun LH 521 MEX 10:25 - MUC 05:05 +1 A346 daily x
136 EddieDude : Indeed. Nice! It will be great to have the LH A346 in Mexico. It will be an interesting lineup of widebodies at MEX (nicely balanced between Boeing a
137 xaapb : Why LH choose those hours? arriving at MEX at 4:25am? why? and idea? greetings
138 Post contains links EddieDude : Some ideas have been tossed here: LH Finally To Add MUC-MEX (by LH506 Sep 1 2011 in Civil Aviation)
139 AR385 : It´s great, but I stil think it´s a strange schedule. Let´s hope people don´t ignore that flight in favor of the usual 498 / 499
140 Mexicana757 : It appears Volaris will be launching MDW-MEX , MDW-ZCL, and MDW-MLM in November. The flights are showing up on their website but seems like they haven
141 bjorn14 : Wow ! One plane sits virtually all day at MDW and the others have very long RONs. Efficient? NOT.
142 LH498 : Actually no, if you look closely the plane doing MEX-MDW just spends the night at MDW then returns to Mexico early in the morning at 7:00am either to
143 Mexicana757 : So far from what I have seen on their website MEX-MDW will be operated 4x weekly, Wed, Thu, Fri, and Sat. The airplane coming from MEX RONs at MDW to
144 Post contains links EddieDude : New AM flights: AM is launching flights to Colima from Mexico City. 13x weekly. Flights to Manzanillo are expected to start before the end of the year
145 SJOtoLIR : As a result of the expansion of the bilateral agreement between Mexico City and Panama City, Copa Airlines mainline will upgrade their services in suc
146 Post contains images Fyano773 : Volaris is adding 2 brand new 320s; both are being tested in XFW: They have 15 or so 320s on order to support all the bunch of routes recently launche
147 avi8 : It's curios seeing a bank very early in the morning. A new flight to GUA Is also beeing added around that time. From where and how will pax be able to
148 SJOtoLIR : COPA Airlines will fly to Monterrey, Mexico: CM 148.................PTY 18:52...................MTY 22:23..............Mo, We,Fr, Su................73
149 SCL767 : Last July, AM experienced its best month thus far this year on the route. AM's LF on the MEX-SCL route increased by 9% as compared to July, 2010 and
150 EddieDude : What is the future of AM and LA's codeshare agreement? Is it expected to continue for the years to come?
151 SCL767 : LA/LP both have a good arrangement with AM that benefits both airlines and customers alike. It should remain intact for the foreseeable future. LA al
152 Fyano773 : Mexico's top 25 international routes: MAJOR INTRL AIR ROUTES (JAN-JUL, 2011), MÉXICO ================================================ PLACE ROUTE PAS
153 EddieDude : Thanks Fyano. It is a very, very interesting breakdown. Very appreciated. I don't think it is surprising that LAX is the most important NAFTA region
154 Fyano773 : Me too Eddie, but after a quick calculation we have the following (weekly seats): MEX-BOG......9,775. MEX-LIM......6,615. MEX-PTY......6,550. MEX-EZE
155 EddieDude : Thanks. The whole list is quite surprising to me to be honest. At first thought, one would imagine GRU should be higher on the list. I guess it is eas
156 civilav : Let me oblige: MEX-CCS: AM 694 CCS-MEX: AM 695 Interestingly, though, ALL Aeromexico flights to Caracas are currently off the GDS. I was checking a c
157 Post contains images RCS763AV : Why? Not only is BOG the third largest airport of Latin America in terms of passengers and the largest in terms of cargo, but also a larger metro are
158 Post contains images EddieDude : Hi Roberto, how are you? No, you are absolutely right. I agree Colombia is the second most populated Spanish speaking country in the world, and that
159 SCL767 : LA operates SCL-MEX daily (B763) and LP operates LIM-MEX 6x weekly (B763). On October 30, LP will increase frequency on the LIM-MEX route to daily wi
160 Fyano773 : Yes, here they are (seats, frequencies): MEX-BOG...9,775...AM (7x, 73G), AV (21x, 319/320), P5 (7x, 73G)...35w. MEX-LIM...6,615...AM (10x, 73G/738),
161 RCS763AV : Thanks for the figures. As of this month AM started flying 4w 73G and 3w 738. And indeed two flights a day o n 767/A340/777 are not the same as 5 dai
162 SJOtoLIR : P5 BOG-CUN 2x weekly P5 BOG-MEX 7x weekly
163 EddieDude : I agree. I wonder if there is room for Interjet now that we have 3 carriers on the route and such a large number of weekly frequencies... and especia
164 Post contains images Fyano773 : SSJ100 undergoes high altitude take off and landing tests @ TLC: Besides, the plane has performed several ground tests. The standard model of the SSJ1
165 DavidCA : When does Interjet expect its first delivery?
166 Fyano773 : Interjet's Executive President, told reporters that firsts SSJ100 are slated for delivery by Nov 2012. More stats: TOP 20 AIRLINES, MÉXICO'S INTL TR
167 Post contains links adriaticus : Do you mean BOG ranks just below GRU and MEX in terms of passengers? Where would that leave CUN, CGH, GIG, EZE, SCL and PTY? I'm not doubting you, bu
168 RCS763AV : That's what I meant when I see some people underestimating BOG on no data rather than their dated perception of how latin america works. BOG handled
169 EddieDude : I am very impressed that the Superjet can fly between MEX, on the one hand, and Canada, JFK and BOG, on the other hand, without a refueling stop.
170 ghost77 : And with our terrible MEX infraestructure, I last year said that maybe BOG would rank 2nd in 2011. It won't be that far from MEX... BOG is expected t
171 ghost77 : That's wrong. Their range is similar to an E90. Sukhoi's will be left for Mexico and some Aibus will then be deployed abroad. g77
172 EddieDude : That makes much more sense to me Ghost. It is what I thought. However, that is definitely not what Aleman was quoted by Adriaticus as saying. Maybe t
173 RCS763AV : I don't know, BOG's infrastructure will be limited until 2014 when the terminal is completely finished. There will be some growth but I wouldn't put
174 Fyano773 : About MEX, the airport was shut down due to a short circuit at 19:45 local time (GMT -5). No planes are allowed to take off or land and the inbound fl
175 ghost77 : It is an issue but not an impossible. SFO has left space among runways. Thing is... will they invest on a PAR system? Not likely. It's possible to ha
176 Summa767 : On BOG, InterJet has already applied to Colombia's Aerocivil to operate MEX-BOG, 7 weekly frequencies with Airbus A320-214. This application will be
177 Fyano773 : Here is the cargo scenario in Mexico for Aug: MÉXICO INTERNATIONAL AIR FREIGHT, AUG 2011 ============================================ # CARRIER TONS
178 wingedtaurus : Any information on the AM MEX-CCS? I also learned that Copa is flying PTY-MTY? I wonder if GDL is working for them. I guess these days with the Pan-Am
179 EddieDude : Hmmm, good question. They should have started yesterday! Can anyone confirm this actually happened? It'd be great to see a picture of an AM 73W greete
180 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-MTY 4x weekly is due to start on December 16th. The bilateral agreement between Panama and Mexico has been revised and the airline will rapidl
181 wingedtaurus : Thanks SJOtoLIR that is certainly a boost by Copa and PTY. What would be the international pair of cities with more passengers excluding the US? Is i
182 Mexicana757 : Today VivaAerobus starts operations to Chicago-Midway from MTY. During the holidays, the last two weeks in December and first week in January VB will
183 adriaticus : Glad to share with my fellow a.nutters FedEx starts a daily outbound flight from Querétaro to Memphis, Monday through Friday, with a B727-200F, this
184 ghost77 : Well, with ATI dropping the route and Regional Cargo saying there's not enough demand.... good news for QRO and you have the schedule Adria?!! Would b
185 XA744 : Ghost, I remember you once mentioned in the forums that AeroMexico Cargo was to start around the end of the year. Is this going to ever materialize ?
186 Post contains links Mexicana757 : According to the KMIA airport website Interjet is to fly to MIA beginning November 17 with a daily flight MEX-MIA. On Interjet's website MIA doesn't e
187 adriaticus : Oct 17 & 24: ARR 1705 DEP 2030 Oct 18-21/25-28: ARR 0710 DEP 2030 Cheers, __Ad.
188 EddieDude : Air Lease Corp. has placed two new E-190LRs with AM. I don't know when they will enter service and how long the lease is for.
189 Post contains links ghost77 : Well, they are now running a new Cargo facility near to T2. But so far that's been it. No planes for cargo still. Maybe we're closer to that day by d
190 Post contains links and images ghost77 : Forgot to mention, Magnicharters will have a new c/s!!! Can't disclose the design, but it was done by the guys of flyAPM www.flyapm.com It's a small b
191 Mexicana757 : Starting December 3rd AeroMexico will start flying ZCL-ORD 3X weekly. Flights will be flown with 737s. AM 618 ZCL 8:35pm - 12:20am ORD Wednesday, Frid
192 SCL767 : On December 15th, AM will increase frequency on the MEX-BOG route to 11x weekly, (B737-700/B737-800). Starting on January 5th, AM will operate the MEX
193 wingedtaurus : Good morning, I was wondering how did the GRU-MEX Tam flight do? Will the MEX-GRU route outdo the MEX-EZE? Happy Monday A.
194 Mexicana757 : Yesterday Volaris started MEX-MDW flight. And to celebrate the opening of the route, Volaris has painted an A319 with a Chicago scheme. The aircraft p
195 XA744 : ... and little by little, the worms are feeding on Mexicana´s rotting corpse !!! Best regards
196 Post contains images Mexicana757 : I know... Volaris taking more of MX pie in the Chicago-Mexico market. But I dont mind as long as Volaris keeps adding destinations and flights out of
197 Post contains links Mexicana757 : As posted in the WN/FL extend summer schedule thread Airtran has announced they will be flying SAT-CUN, SAT-MEX in May 2012. Airtran has also announce
198 EddieDude : I understand AM is looking at launching MEX-SAL flights. If I am not mistaken, the formalities to obtain local governmental authorizations are underwa
199 Mexicana757 : I was wondering when they would apply for for this route. This route is good candidate to be started with an E-190.
200 Post contains links kiwiandrew : I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned: http://news.ph.msn.com/business/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5538487 ...The limit for a financial rescue for M
201 LatinPlane : As you know, Conesa (AM's CEO) stated that with the addition of CCS, no further Latin American route growth is planned in the short tem. At this time
202 EddieDude : Correct, so he stated. However, the airline is currently applying for all Salvadorean regulatory approvals in order to offer flights to SAL. It might
203 Post contains images XA744 : Well, my friend, maybe because we are all very sick and tired of all the BS surrounding the issue... ...It´s been such an embarrasing moment in Mexi
204 SJOtoLIR : The MEX-SAL sector was served by MX in the past. TA SAL-MEX is the sole carrier nowadays offering up to 11x weekly flights. . CM PTY-MEX bears the AM
205 Mexicana757 : I haven't seen this posted yet, but Interjet is going to start flying TLC-SAT starting December 6. The airline will operate the flight 3X weekly on Tu
206 Post contains links ghost77 : Mexicana757, Reason behind: http://www.flyapm.com/foro/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142&start=102 Seems Interjet will protect passengers if MX is due t
207 Mexicana757 : Thanks Ghost, I wonder if this why Volaris also applied for TLC-Chicago. And yes we need a solution of MX's case ASAP.
208 ghost77 : Before the MX issue, Volaris and Interjet did a lot of nice applications out from TLC which would have helped to boost traffic and create more compet
209 Post contains links EddieDude : Two interesting AM-related news. First one: http://www.cronista.com//contenidos/2011/11/18/noticia_0043.html The remarkable part is that AM's corporat
210 Mexicana757 : The route may work if its a seasonal flight operating at least 2X weekly. American flew this route during the winter months. AA has decided to not to
211 ghost77 : Eddie, The 8th 767s should be anytime here. AM people went to evaluate its condition. It's the other ex. MX bird, brother of XA-AMX. The 11th E190 is
212 MaverickM11 : TLC simply is not where passengers want to go right now. Both TLC and MEX had relatively large LCC operations, and passengers voted with their feet,
213 AR385 : I don´t think it´s stupid per se. What I think is stupid is not having any other way to judge demand than having to launch flights and then making
214 EddieDude : Awesome! Thanks for the info. That will not be used to launch a new route but rather to improve dispatch reliability by making AM's maintenance activ
215 pzurita1 : According to info from CESTUR (Center for Tourism Studies) Acapulco received 133K INTERNATIONAL tourists during 2010. Riv. Maya got 2,7M Cancún 2,2M
216 SJOtoLIR : Brannif served the MEX-SAT sector long time ago as non-stop flights: 70s. Not sure about any GDL-SAT segment. Regards.
217 Post contains images davidCA : I'm surprised to read the negative comments here about the airport in TLC. Iihave been there twice--once to return a rental car after driving from MLM
218 ghost77 : True, but due to billateral agreements among Mexico and the US, Interjet and Volaris are forced to fly out from here if they want to make it to the U
219 MaverickM11 : Perhaps, but their domestic network out of TLC is much smaller as well. Plus, didn't Y4 try TLC to LAX or OAK?
220 ghost77 : It's small because MX left and Interjet and Volaris moved all operations into MEX. Volaris did offered LAX and OAK and was doing well, not superb, but
221 LIPZ : LH will not start new MUC-MEX flights in S12. Flight availability has been zeroed out.
222 ghost77 : Wow, what's the reason? Lack of bookings or aircraft? g77
223 LIPZ : Low advance booking seems to be the reason.
224 Post contains images pzurita1 : First time I see you writing such a praisal for AM Wow!!!! It is still 6 mo for summer!!!!! Of course they are going to be low by now... Very weird i
225 EddieDude : So what is AM planning on doing with the extra 767 that is coming? More EZE?
226 MaverickM11 : If any of that was making money at TLC it would not have moved or been cancelled.--nothing is stopping them from adding it back in TLC. The passenger
227 ghost77 : Still no clue!! That's what I also question myself!!! Well, of course Interjet nor Volaris would leave the whole pie for just one or two... (Aeromexi
228 wingedtaurus : Hi, there are two EZE-MEX ARG planes scheduled today, is this normal? Cheers A.
229 Fyano773 : From Airlineroute: Hope LH reinstates this flight.
230 laca773 : I'd rather see AM flying it as well. AA is basically an LCC unless you're sitting up front. You get better service on WN going to Chicago than AA or
231 EddieDude : Why would they? I doubt Volaris will offer 2-class service. That is kind of contrary to the LCC business model. I don't know about the warm meals. I
232 laca773 : To offer a better product in heavy business travel routes, i.e., LAX/ORD-MEX and etc.. It sounds like their service is the same as UA in this market.
233 AR385 : On a few periods MX flew it. But in later years it became an AM Connect route. It was always on and off.
234 wingedtaurus : Good morning, I was just in CUN and was amazed on how many European non low-cost airlines are out there. BA, AF, SU and coming soon VS. It would be in
235 EddieDude : I dunno. Does AM codeshare on SU's flight? SU's code on AM's appropriate CUN-MEX flights seems like a smart thing to do, but I don't know if this exi
236 Post contains links wingedtaurus : Reforma, a Mexico City newspaper, has a ninteresting article regarding the growth of LATAM airlines in the Mexican market: "The region's airlines most
237 XA744 : Yeah, COPA is one of those rare and very successful projects in aviation today. I flew them many times, back int he nineties, when we at MAS signed a
238 Post contains links EddieDude : It seems Viva Aerobus will invest 25 million dollars or more in 2012, and they aim to acquire 5 to 7 more secondhand 733s with those funds. This is th
239 Post contains links Aeolus : Here we are: Mexican Aviation X - Guadalupe Reyes (by Aeolus Dec 1 2011 in Civil Aviation) -Aeolus
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