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Eva Air Ends Newark, Moves To JFK  
User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13533 times:

I don't know if this was mentioned before,

But it seems like BR is leaving EWR and moving to JFK starting October 31st.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_airport

They will be using Terminal 1, CI also uses T1.


It's a cultural thing.
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User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4869 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13314 times:
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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13192 times:

Surprising since I thought Star was courting BR or BR was courting Star. BR has my favorite livery out there, so I wish they would join Skyteam, but with CI joining in September, I know that is flatly not going to happen.


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7632 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13110 times:

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
They will be using Terminal 1

Interesting. Is it me or is T1 quite crowded as it is nowadays.

On a related BR subject, do they have codeshare/mileage agreements with AA?



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User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12911 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
Interesting. Is it me or is T1 quite crowded as it is nowadays.

Not as much compared to Terminal 4. Nearly every other international airline uses T4. Terminal 1 is pretty deserted in the late evening and early morning hours with only a few flights (KE, AM and a few others)

BR 0031 JFK 22:50 TPE 07:30+2 M W TH S
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BR 0032 TPE 19:30 JFK 21:00 M W TH S

So their flight leaves late at night, by that time T1 is relatively quiet.



It's a cultural thing.
User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12880 times:
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Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 3):
Surprising since I thought Star was courting BR or BR was courting Star

I also found it a bit surprising, but there are a number of A* carriers which operate to JFK rather than EWR ( SA, MS and TK are 3 which come to mind) so the change of airport in itslef does not necessarily reflect a change away from *A ( particularly as BR just put in place a new frequent flyer agreement with *A member OZ)



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7632 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12836 times:

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 5):
Terminal 1 is pretty deserted in the late evening and early morning hours with only a few flights (KE, AM and a few others)

Good point JetBlue777. That is correct.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12676 times:

Happy with the news, albeit surprised. Eva has been at Newark for years now. This would be like SAS moving back to Kennedy. Let's wait to hear STT757's take  
Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 4):
Not as much compared to Terminal 4. Nearly every other international airline uses T4. Terminal 1 is pretty deserted in the late evening and early morning hours with only a few flights (KE, AM and a few others)

Yup, there is plenty of room in T1 in off-hours. Last time I was there though, the check-in space looked like it was getting quite tight. I would expect them to shift to common-carrier check-in stations soon.


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12397 times:

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 4):
So their flight leaves late at night, by that time T1 is relatively quiet.

Interestingly enough, T1 is busier in the evenings now than ever before. This is due to Turkish and Korean adding additional flights to JFK in the evenings (both 77Ws too, for now at least), and to the new Olympic Air (I forget the new name) moving its early afternoon flight to a late-night JFK departure. At the time the Eva Air flight is scheduled to land, there are probably only two or three free gates available. This is a big change from 5 or 6 years ago when there was literally just the ~11PM AF departure and nothing else between 8PM and 11PM. T1 is filling up nicely.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11996 times:

They are operating into T8. It is CI which will be using T1.


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User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10414 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 9):

They are operating into T8. It is CI which will be using T1.

CI have been operating through T1 ever since. BR will also use T1.

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 7):
Yup, there is plenty of room in T1 in off-hours. Last time I was there though, the check-in space looked like it was getting quite tight. I would expect them to shift to common-carrier check-in stations soon.

If the flight leaves at 10:20pm, then passengers would start checking it at around 7:30 or 8PM, so I guess it'll be a bit crowded. I was in T1 two weeks ago at 9PM and it only KE and TK counters were open and the terminal wasn't busy.



It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3621 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10265 times:

As someone who lives in Queens, I can see this move as a good one.

Frankly, the Asian population centers in NYC have become Flushing Queens and Sunset Park Brooklyn. Both much closer to JFK.

These are HUGE population centers that have sprung up in the last 20 years and include large numbers of Chinese, Korean, and Taiwanese.

An Asian airline with one flight a day to the area really should be in proximity to these the neighborhoods . . . and that isn't EWR


User currently offlinewarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10195 times:

This have got to be one of the longest B773 non-stop route.
I still think its a bad move which cost them plenty of C class customers from more prosperous New Jersey.



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User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10102 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 11):
An Asian airline with one flight a day to the area really should be in proximity to these the neighborhoods . . . and that isn't EWR

I agree. But BR is popular among Filipinos living in NJ, so I guess they'll have to settle with DL via DTW (to MNL)

I'm happy that BR moved to JFK, I also live in Queens. It means more competition which means lower fares.

Quoting warren747sp (Reply 12):

This have got to be one of the longest B773 non-stop route.

Along with CX's 4x Daily JFK-HKG which is around 16 Hours nonstop.



It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9924 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 11):
These are HUGE population centers that have sprung up in the last 20 years and include large numbers of Chinese, Korean, and Taiwanese.

Yeah they really have, especially Sunset Park...And it's spread to other nearby parts of Brooklyn too!

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 10):
If the flight leaves at 10:20pm, then passengers would start checking it at around 7:30 or 8PM, so I guess it'll be a bit crowded. I was in T1 two weeks ago at 9PM and it only KE and TK counters were open and the terminal wasn't busy.

After 9:00, there are the following departures from T1:

FCO 9:40 PM B777
FRA 9:40 PM B747-400
CDG 9:50 PM B77W
IST 11:00 PM B77W
CDG 11:20 PM A-330-200
ATH 11:30 PM A-340-300
MEX 12:45 AM B737-800
ICN 12:50 AM B77W

There's also a KX 737 that RON, so like I said the gates are pretty busy around the time the Eva 77W will be there.


User currently offlinecubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23296 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9891 times:

Quoting warren747sp (Reply 12):
I still think its a bad move which cost them plenty of C class customers from more prosperous New Jersey.

Not sure I agree. High yielding passengers who need to fly BR - perhaps because they are going to TPE or a beyond-TPE destination better served by BR than by any other airline - will likely fly BR from whichever NYC airport it uses. It's the junk yield VFR passengers who are more airport-sensitive, and if there are more of those at the JFK side of New York, it's probably a better place for BR.

Of course, to the extent that high-yielding passengers are airport-sensitive, those New Jersey passengers will be replaced with some Manhattan and perhaps Connecticut passengers.



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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9828 times:

Quoting warren747sp (Reply 12):
This have got to be one of the longest B773 non-stop route.

It's actually sixth place after DXB-LAX, DXB-SFO, JFK-HKG, LAX-MEL and YYZ-HKG.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8702 times:

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 10):

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 9):

They are operating into T8. It is CI which will be using T1.

CI have been operating through T1 ever since. BR will also use T1.


This is what I'm seeing



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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8628 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 17):
This is what I'm seeing

Interesting, a fuel stop in ANC is scheduled...


User currently offlineworldliner From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8606 times:

Will be nice to see Eva 77W's banking out of JFK, im happy with the move  


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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8591 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 17):
This is what I'm seeing
Quoting LH422 (Reply 18):
Interesting, a fuel stop in ANC is scheduled...

Don't the Newark flights currently have a fuel stop in ANC? But non-stop one way? Or am I thinking of something else?


User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 743 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8265 times:

I thought the ANC stop is due to CI not beeing allowed to fly over PRC airspace, I did not think eva had the same restriction.

User currently offlineflyinghippo From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 711 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8053 times:

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 21):
I thought the ANC stop is due to CI not beeing allowed to fly over PRC airspace, I did not think eva had the same restriction.

Taiwanese carries have been able to fly over PRC for a couple of years now. CI doesn't use ANC anymore, they have a stop in NGO. BR stops in ANC west bound. The main reason is because both carries very heavy cargo in their bellies, and it makes more sense for them to stop in ANC/NGO than carrying more fuel instead of cargo.

I think this is a brilliant move by BR. CI recently changed their TPE-JFK schedule to accommodate better times at NGO, but it made TPE-JFK schedules less desirable for a lot of passengers. BR will get a lot of passengers from CI at JFK.


User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4869 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7973 times:
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Quoting flyinghippo (Reply 22):
Taiwanese carries have been able to fly over PRC for a couple of years now. CI doesn't use ANC anymore, they have a stop in NGO. BR stops in ANC west bound. The main reason is because both carries very heavy cargo in their bellies, and it makes more sense for them to stop in ANC/NGO than carrying more fuel instead of cargo.

I think you mean KIX not NGO


User currently offlineflyinghippo From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 711 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7102 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 23):
I think you mean KIX not NGO

YES... KIX, not NGO (Mondays.. uggg)


25 Post contains links yeogeo : Pardon me for tooting our own horns, but A-net has an in-house source for keeping track of ULH routes above 4999nm, updated at least once per month:
26 EddieDude : Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but who flies the A343 from JFK's T1 to ATH??? Anyway, it is weird KFlyer found in a timetable that BR will use T8.
27 KFlyer : EddieDude, Hellenic Imperial flies to ATH. The timetable display was from an availability display, sorry I don't remember which is the underlying GDS.
28 flythere : Taiwanese carriers are able to enter PRC airspace, but exclusive for flights O&D at China. Other international flights operated by them are still
29 EddieDude : Thanks. Oh, no worries. It would not be totally odd to see BR using T8 at JFK considering their codeshare agreement with AA.
30 staralliance85 : It was a smart move fro EVA to go to JFK terminal 1. UAL/PANYNJ might of asked Eva to move from EWR terminal B to JFK terminal 1 because EWR's termina
31 washingtonian : It's Hellenic Imperial, which I guess is the new Olympic? Let's not get conspiratorial! I'm sure Eva decided in their own that it was in their best i
32 KFlyer : washingtonian, Hellenic Imperial is a separate company which has its roots in charters and is in no way related to Olympic to the best of my knowledge
33 washingtonian : Is it? I just assumed that since it was an A-343 that they took over Olympics aircraft and routes...
34 trex8 : BR and CI were flying some routes to Europe across Hainan, they cannot traverse central China though.
35 STT757 : Just got back from a vacation with the Wife in Seattle, nice cool weather, yeah going to miss EVA (taxied right past them last night). They've been a
36 washingtonian : STT757, what exactly does all of that have to do with Eva leaving? Are you suggesting it was because of facilities issues? I think Terminal B is nice
37 STT757 : Yup, as I mentioned with regards to the remodeling of Terminal B, while it's an improvement, it's still a 1973 terminal. The Port Authority at JFK in
38 washingtonian : Understand that it's a 1973 terminal, but so is T7 at JFK (give or take a few years) and that doesn't stop Cathay from flying to JFK. Heck until fair
39 BRxxx : Actually, they are allowed through southern China. I've flown from LHR/FRA/VIE - TPE on CI and they all route down the usual path through Afganistan
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