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Delta Unveils "new" 763-ER"  
User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 37052 times:

Looks like a brand new A/C ! Love the new bins and of course the
new crew rest.
Been along time coming!

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User currently offlineFingerLakerAv8r From United States of America, joined May 2011, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 37046 times:

NICE! May have to use a ZED fare and hope I get to ride on this!!

User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 37035 times:

This does look great, but it's about time!

Now let's hope it doesn't take 10 years to reconfigure all of their 767s.


User currently offlinecubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23019 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36914 times:

Those J seats look really narrow to me - optical illusion?


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User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36917 times:

I believe 7 will be completed by the end of this year.

User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36865 times:

Wow! Look nice but the B/E seats look "tight".

User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1944 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36867 times:

Quoting cubsrule (Reply 3):
Those J seats look really narrow to me - optical illusion?

They look narrow to me too. First thing that popped out at me about the seats themselves.

Everything else looks great.

[Edited 2011-07-27 15:23:48]

User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36777 times:

Looks very nice. I noticed a few minor differences from the 764ER interior (such as the PSUs), however, to the average passenger it would be indistingushable. This appears to be the Heath Tecna NuLook PBI package.


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User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36775 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 6):

They are actually 22% wider than the seats they replace.


User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36730 times:

Anyone know what they are doing with the 767s already equipped with AVOD and winglets?

User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36691 times:

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 9):
Anyone know what they are doing with the 767s already equipped with AVOD and winglets?

Actually, this partciular aircraft is a 76T. The 76Ts are first in line for the mods. Later on the rest of the 763ER fleet will begin, with one difference: the Panasonic Eco 9i Integrated Smart Monitors.



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User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 1069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36604 times:

Echo what other's have sad about how narrow the seat looks and feels. (I flew in one a couple of months ago. Assume it is identical to the 764-version.)

What is worse is that in some of the seats the back cushion is inset into the frame creating a feeling of compression around the shoulders.

I have also never liked the aesthetics of this seat. There's just too much plastic and not much is done to camouflage it, especially in Delta's version.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36602 times:

Nice. If they can get them done in a timely manner, we can stop hearing about "awful" and "horrible" Delta 763s.

I'm particularly glad to see the pivot bins.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36602 times:

I guess I'm ignorant about this but is that an underfloor crew rest with a ladder?

User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36600 times:

Cool pics! How are the bins different exactly?

These birds will be with Delta for another decade or so, so I'm glad they are investing in them properly now!


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36559 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 14):
Cool pics! How are the bins different exactly?

The mod package appears to be the Heath Tecna Pivot Bin Interior (PBI) package, rather than Boeing's own Signature Interior mod. After all, Mr. Babb did say the mod package was aftermarket.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36553 times:

Looks great to me! Can't wait to try these birds out on the SLC-ATL run (if the A330 isn't running, lol( and on whatever TATL runs that have the 763!!


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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36504 times:

It looks great! I hope they put one on the LGW - ATL run asap.


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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36465 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 14):
Cool pics! How are the bins different exactly?

Like the factory bins in the 764, 777 and 787 (and now 737 Sky Interior), they pivot up into the ceiling when you close them. This expands bin capacity and gives a feeling of more headroom.

The bins look exactly like those in the 764 but the PSUs (and other panels in that area) do look quite different. A Delta 764 and a pre-pivot-bin Delta 763, for comparison:


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36366 times:

Now THIS is what i'm talking about Delta!!

I'm guessing these were taken at HKG as this a/c hasn't returned to the US yet. Another question, what type of seat are they using? They look noticably different (talking about Y here) from the ones originally installed on the 76Ts.

[Edited 2011-07-27 16:07:12]


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User currently offlineb4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36061 times:

Quoting cubsrule (Reply 3):
Those J seats look really narrow to me - optical illusion
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 6):
They look narrow to me too.

This is the same seat that they use for the 764. This is actually way better than what they had. the only narrow part is when your feet are extended forward. The feet go underneath the console unit in front of you (hence the offset by each aisle). But, just sitting down, it is really a pleasure IMHO.



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 35611 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 19):
I'm guessing these were taken at HKG as this a/c hasn't returned to the US yet. Another question, what type of seat are they using? They look noticably different (talking about Y here) from the ones originally installed on the 76Ts.

The Y seats are still Weber 5751s, except DL installed a protective plastic panel and added a USB port to the back of them.



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User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 35559 times:

Is this N1608? Is this the reason it has been here for over half a year?

User currently offlinecubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23019 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 35392 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 8):
They are actually 22% wider than the seats they replace.

Yes, now 21.5 inches. But as DL puts a 21.5 inch seat in, UA is moving from a 20.5 inch wide seat to a 23.5 inch wide seat. The product is still a generation behind, at least width-wise.



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 35385 times:

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 22):
Is this N1608? Is this the reason it has been here for over half a year?

I believe it is because DL is the launch customer of the Heath Tecna NuLook PBI package, and took time to have it approved by the FAA. UA and HA use the Heath Tecna NuLook Refresh Interior (RI) package instead, which is a much simpler mod.

[Edited 2011-07-27 16:59:13]


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25 FlyASAGuy2005 : Okay thanks, that explains it. It did look much different but a closer glance does reveal the USB port indeed. Because they chose 2 totally different
26 MaddogJT8D : Were the mods completed at HKG or ATL? Flightaware shows N1608's last stop as ATL in November... Any word on when she will be back in revenue service?
27 CX Flyboy : Oh ok. Having seen it here for such a long time I assumed they had found some major maintenance issues like corrosion etc!
28 washingtonian : Thanks. It seems like it would be difficult to change the way bins are incorporated into an already-existing aircraft, no?
29 cslusarc : Does anyone know the new configuration of these refurbished planes? Do they have a new fleet name instead of 76T?
30 LipeGIG : Very nice. Thanks for sharing. Any word in regards to what routes DL is looking to update this year ? Europe ? Latin America ?
31 1337Delta764 : Speaking of this, are there any pivot bin retrofit packages available for the 744 (main cabin, not the upper deck or nose)? While some of the newest
32 cubsrule : New C on the 763 and 744 is 23.5 inches - shouldn't that be an inferior product to DL's hybrid Business/First product?
33 pdpsol : DL has a few sub fleets for their 767-332ER, are they going to refurbish the entire fleet, all 58 examples? Sounds like a pricey exercise.
34 1337Delta764 : Yes, all 763ERs will be modded. The ones that currently lack PTVs will get the new Panasonic Eco 9i Integrated Smart Monitors. I wonder though, will
35 cokepopper : Should be early August 36 BE, 29 EC, 143Y I believe it's will continue to be called a 76T
36 iahredhead : Looks very nice. PEK-NRT and PEK-SEA should see these newly configured planes one day soon. Scott
37 catiii : They're wider, as others have said, but the issue as I see it is one of storage. You have to put all your things in the overhead.
38 catiii : They're wider, as others have said, but the issue as I see it is one of storage. You have to put all your things in the overhead.
39 1337Delta764 : Of course, that shouldn't be much of a problem since the bins are much larger now.
40 FlyASAGuy2005 : HKG. It was ferried to HKG back in December. According to RA, she will be back on the line in early August. That was my point I guess. You're talking
41 catiii : Depends what you're storing. If you tend to do work and would prefer access to your briefcase, it's a pain to have to get up and down every time you
42 cubsrule : So BusinessElite is supposed to be inferior to UA C? Someone needs to tell the revenue management folks; that's certainly not how they price it.
43 JBirdAV8r : WOW! That is one nice looking airplane cabin!
44 cslusarc : I guess this means that the two Economy Comfort seats in row 16 have been removed.
45 SWA737800 : WOW I have to say this is very nice! Lower Lobe crew rest on a 763 is a new thing!
46 Josh32121 : I just flew a domestic 767-300, and those old overhead bins (what most of the Transatlantic ER's still have) are awful. The outboard ones are a very s
47 FlyASAGuy2005 : Not DL's fault that other carriers have to cheapen the price of the C seats... And NO, i'm not saying its inferior. That was your wording. All i'm sa
48 1337Delta764 : Unfortunately, there are no plans to update the bins on the domestic 763s.
49 catiii : Out of curiosity, do they take a cargo hit by putting the crew rest down there?
50 cubsrule : Wait, why can I compare with AA's Business but not UA's? Understatement of the year. I think the recliners were worse than any premium class seat on
51 FlyASAGuy2005 : I allocated BF to CO because that was their product but yes, UA or AA's J as well. Semantics IMHO though. No matter what they choose to call it. Busi
52 1337Delta764 : AA's 767 Business seats are only 18.5" wide, the same width as the old recliners on the DL 763ERs.[Edited 2011-07-27 19:20:35]
53 Post contains links and images seabosdca : Not difficult, just expensive. They attach to the same mounting points on the airframe. Since the bins, ceiling panels, side panels, and PSUs are all
54 klkla : Delta does not offer international first class. Just business class. These new seats are in a 1-2-1 configuration so you have a 100% chance of gettin
55 klkla : No they weren't. UA's old recliners only had 55 inches seat pitch vs 60 inches on Delta. United had betamax movies that never played right compared t
56 1337Delta764 : No, I think AA uses Boeing's own mod package, except the old PSUs were left intact.
57 slcdeltarumd11 : This reminds me of the finnair JFK-HEL seats on the A330. They were amazingly comfortable i hope Deltas are as comfortable. Loved finnairs A330 seats
58 breaker1011 : Wow. That's a big difference for a business class seat. 1-2-1 for DL's 767 and 777 2-2-2 for UA's 767 2-4-2 for UA's 777, and this is the new layout?
59 FlyASAGuy2005 : And this is the new seat, correct? Thanks anyway, I think i've proved my point. I don't expect DL's J seats to be up there with the likes of someone'
60 breaker1011 : I just think in terms of First, Biz, and Economy. So J and C aren't really resonating. Can you help me out? I just priced UA biz and DL biz on LAX NR
61 BD338 : a long overdue and welcome upgrade, especially for the vast majority of us sat in the back. But is it just me or do those J seats look a bit sterile a
62 PSU.DTW.SCE : That looks really nice. Going to be sweet when they get the fleet done. Anyone know how much it costs per aircraft and how long the plane is out of se
63 1337Delta764 : The next aircraft shouldn't take nowhere near as long, since when this aircraft enters service the mod will have its FAA approval.
64 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Gotcha. J is business class and C is first class (international of course). I do too! Well not the 767 itself but the 763 specifically. I planned my
65 slcdeltarumd11 : UAs new totally horizontal flat business class seats are incredibly comfortable i slept like a baby. Lets see how these Delta seats actually feel a p
66 kmz : i have 2 questions concerning the new pivot bins: a) are the really that much larger? does someone have a % comparison? b) when opened, do they not ob
67 KFitz : ...because in the real world, side-to-side horizontal seat counts aren't the last word when it comes to product competitiveness. The UA C product may
68 slinky09 : Is it, I find it stark and clinical, over plasticky, monotone white - compared to many they haven't tried to design a colour scheme or mood lighting
69 brons2 : Finally, DL! I have not darkened the door of a Delta plane since 2004, because I thought their 763ER was pretty ratty. Maybe now I'll give them anothe
70 BrianDromey : Looking good delta! FYI, generally.... F - First Class (domestic and international) J - international business class C - also a business class fare bu
71 Jacobcal : WOW, nicely done Delta! I love the lighting in the galleys. Lets hope the other US legacies follow their lead. Jacob
72 qf002 : Really? How does this totally refitted 767 compare to the yellow interiors that UA and AA especially fly? I would much rather spend 8 hours in econom
73 SKAirbus : I love how they have installed a 777 cabin on the DL 763s... Definitely less tacky looking! However, I really don't like the Delta colour scheme... It
74 seabosdca : No percentage comparison, but they really are that much larger. The old 767 bins can't fit a standard roll aboard front-to-back, whether with wheels
75 TeamInTheSky : Have you sat in DL's business seats on their 764's? They might look a little claustrophobic from he picture, but they aren't. If anything, I like how
76 cubsrule : I always found them more comfortable. I had/have a lot of trouble getting comfortable in the old DL seat. All right. UA's J - on the 763 - is two inc
77 modesto2 : I flew JFKLHR with DL's flat-bed 764 product and really enjoyed the seats. Didn't find them narrow at all, and I really like how each seat has direct
78 JAAlbert : I like the updated bins and ceiling, but the seat covering looks awful. Bland blue, no pattern, no style, poor fit to the leather. I assume its leathe
79 FlyASAGuy2005 : That's all I was asking. This wasn't a competition for me so not sure what the "better" was all about. It was a simple question and request to compar
80 ATLflyer : And soon the installations will have 9" PTVs in economy too, right? These 76Ts already had 7" in economy so looks like they kept them since they are s
81 FlyASAGuy2005 : As to the new cabin colors, yeah I'll admit the new fleet is very "sterile" but this was done on purpose according to Jerry. Was to give the cabins ac
82 delimit : Using seat width as the sole criteria to label them as a generation behind makes you come off as a bit biased, Cubs. The UA seat is wider, but the DL
83 AAExecPlat : Agreed. I don't fly DL, but the seats look very narrow and clinical. And is it just me or do the seats not seem to be fully flat beds?
84 sxf24 : Well, some people need a wider seat...
85 Post contains images cubsrule : This whole thing started with a comment that the seat seemed narrow. And in terms of width - a measure that has been consistently increasing for most
86 delimit : I don't mean to call you biased, it just comes off that way. Width is such a weirdly specific criteria to make generational statements about, I guess
87 gigneil : J and C are actually both international business class fare codes. NS
88 LDVAviation : I've sampled the seat in the 764. It does have a "claustrophobic feeling" because of the way that the shell fits tightly around the seat. A pop of re
89 goblin211 : Only to be outdated with newer technology.
90 1337Delta764 : The 763ER fleet should be completed in 2013.
91 keesje : Good investment IMO. Looks modern, efficient and comfortable. Many carriers put their cards on replacing 767s with 787s in this period. And are stretc
92 delimit : If you're interested there was a lot of generalized commentary on Delta's fleet philosophy in the notes from the last earnings call. There's a link o
93 cubsrule : No, but there's so much wasted lateral space with those seats that a couple more inches of width shouldn't compromise any other aspect of them, inclu
94 ATLflyer : Some people are just never satisfied with American carriers. I think it looks modern and nice that the younger prefers. Also the UA 777 has 19" J seat
95 Post contains images toobz : ugh you just can't please everyone Take it from somebody that has riden on DLs 763ER 400 times.. vast and welcomed improvement!! Can't wait to catch a
96 Post contains images LY777 : The cabin looks amazing The new bins make all the difference A shame there is no mood lights though
97 TOMMY767 : Looks great. Well done Delta.
98 cubsrule : 1-2-1 was a great choice for configuration, but it sort of goes back to my seat width question - UA manages to get 2 more seats across in and still h
99 ghifty : I have to say the blue LED's in the lavatory is strange. White would look better... and it's not even DL's shade of blue.
100 Flying Belgian : That's what I call an extreme makeover !! Congrats DL !! Will that cabin be fitted on the 330/747/764 in the mid-term ?
101 1337Delta764 : The 764ER cabin doesn't need a makeover. It looks very nice and already has a Boeing Signature Interior. Unfortunately, there are no plans to update
102 DLATLOpsSup : I may have missed an earlier response, but on the 764, we lost the last two container positions (the "hole" if you're familiar) and about half the bu
103 seabosdca : To my knowledge, no A330 has ever had pivot bins. The early A350 mockup doesn't have them either. The A380 is the only Airbus to have ever had them.
104 worldliner : Alot better than their current product, cant wait to fly these when i get back over to the states.
105 ATA L1011 : All I got to say is way to go DL, very classy and modern looking interior!
106 Post contains links and images 1337Delta764 : FYI, here is an example of what Heath Tecna's 747 NuLook interior looks like: View Large View MediumPhoto © Vivek Manvi Unfortunately, Heath Tecna do
107 delimit : Not definitive, but from the looks of things, widenng the seat might be possible, but it would impact the area where the seat behind extends. Like, y
108 Blueman87 : I think this was leeked there no press release by Delta and whats the Reg on the airplane that this pics from?[Edited 2011-07-28 13:00:38]
109 1337Delta764 : The reg is N1608. These pictures were taken at HKG.
110 United1 : 1-2-1 is kind of a simplistic way of looking at the configuration if you look at it from above you'll see its actually 2-4-2. The pitch between seats
111 ATLflyer : Because everyone likes to say that the delta seats are narrow when they compare favorably to many carriers business class products.
112 Post contains links 1337Delta764 : And everyone loves to say how horrible DL's Weber 5751 slimline seats are when they are the same model that AA uses on their new config 738s and 752s
113 SR117 : It's a staggered 1-2-1 layout, it's not strictly 1-2-1, but saying that it's really 2-4-2 is grasping at straws, there aren't 2 side by side seats in
114 klkla : The new UA Business seat is only 19 inches wide on the 747 and 777, so it's actually narrower on most of their aricraft. UA gets in two extra seats o
115 FlyASAGuy2005 : It's actually just the photo. It isn't in full recline. Those seats go to full flat-bed mode and they sure feel like it too. They are not angled eith
116 WesternA318 : Hey Fly, not to go too off-topic, but any chance we might see SLC-LHR? Would a 764 make it?
117 United1 : I don't think its grasping at straws at all..if you look at it from above you have 8 people across they are simply staggered. It's a fantastic use of
118 FlyASAGuy2005 : Good ques SLC-LHR is within the range of the 764 but i'm not sure how well it would do in the summer months, which is when they would want to operate
119 sxf24 : It may feel crammed to some people because the wider seat comes at the expense of space between seats. As a result, passengers literally sit shoulder
120 FlyASAGuy2005 : Sorry for the bump but this post is specifically for some members that asked about this several weeks ago. I mentioned that my sister (she is a Delta
121 klkla : According to UA's own site 777 Biz is 19 inches in a 2-4-2 arrangement. That's what I was going by. 747 & 767 are a little wider at 23.5 but for
122 United1 : Indeed and there is no right or wrong trade off as at the end of the day both seats are 180 degree flat. There was a thread on that a while ago...tho
123 panamair : Don't know how they do the measurements but I have flown UA's new 763 flat J seat a few times and it is not much wider (if at all) than the DL 764 on
124 breaker1011 : I agree with you - as having traveled on the DL 777 in BE 5 times now as a paying customer, the seat, while 'cool looking' does give you a sense of c
125 Post contains images OA260 : Very nice and stylish. I guess its been a long time but it looks like it was worth waiting for. Amazing what a refurb can do .
126 tu154m : Maybe I missed it, but where is the new "Economy Comfort" section on this aircraft????
127 United1 : That's a good question...I didn't see the lighter colored headrests on any pic of that aircraft.
128 Post contains images KFitz : IMO, the idea that anybody's upper body's are being crowded out is wildly disingenuous and simply false, unless we are assuming the average traveler
129 ATLflyer : 2-4-2 in business class is sad when premium economy on some carriers is 2-3-2 or even 2-2-2 on the 777.
130 cubsrule : But it's a great seat. Why does the "configuration," which isn't all that relevant in an international J or F product make a cabin "sad" or not? As w
131 panamair : Because, to me, a premium seat should come with more personal space and privacy. Having the opportunity to be sandwiched in between two other pax (in
132 Blueman87 : when does this aircraft enter service again
133 cubsrule : Agreed, but that really doesn't have anything to do with the "configuration." UA could be described as 2-2-2 or 2-4-2 depending on whether you wanted
134 Viscount724 : Agree. And leather seats on longhaul flights is awful. Most passengers prefer cloth. I go out of my way to avoid lolnghaul carriers with leather seat
135 panamair : Guess I am not understanding you. When I think of the config, I only think of the number of seats across, not some description of how many 'virtual'
136 cubsrule : The 4 are not directly next to each other, as 4 coach seats would be. That's what makes it tricky.[Edited 2011-07-29 11:17:32]
137 jetlanta : This thread is getting ridiculous. These seats are more then competitive in all the markets that this fleet will serve. Virtually no one will book AWA
138 cubsrule : I think that is the true, but I don't know why it's unreasonable to ask whether DL could have done even better. The bottom line is that the old 763 p
139 WesternA318 : I completely agree, I have routinely avoided 763 flights since the early 2000's if i had to fly DL (I've only recently gotten into then as my preferr
140 jetlanta : Cubs, the problem is that "better" configurations sacrificed capacity. They "could have" put Barcaloungers in there, but the 767 isn't a huge plane a
141 seabosdca : The non-ERs got their upgrade a couple of years ago. They got new slimline seats in Y and AVOD throughout, and new sidewalls, but no new bins or ceil
142 1337Delta764 : As for the bins, no there are no plans to update the bins on the domestic 763s.
143 delimit : Sure, but your original point also was highly specific: seat width. Could they have? Yes, but there would have been other compromises. The UA seat is
144 cubsrule : Did they? How much floor space do 10 UA or BA seats take up as compared to 10 DL seats? I think the UA seat is superior in general. I'm well aware it
145 Vasu : Looks great! Finally, Delta... Well done.
146 WesternA318 : Ugh, ah well...forget the SLC-HNL route then, lol.
147 delimit : 3 big gripes. Lack of privacy as well. Obviously these are bigger deals to other people. I really don't think aisle access is a red herring, as I've
148 jetlanta : Who cares? This was Delta's decision. For many of the reasons discusses on here, the UA and BA products have their own significant drawbacks. If you
149 cubsrule : When did I say I don't like it? But was it for density reasons or for other reasons? UA has F. It's not that easy a comparison.
150 RobertS975 : Although leather seats do have some drawbacks, they are relatively impervious and do not absorb perspiration. Overall, I would assume that leather is
151 Viscount724 : Leather absorbs a lot of dirt and since leather seat covers aren't cleaned/changed as often as cloth (which is why they're used), they can get filthy
152 sxf24 : Leather absorbs more dirt than cloth?
153 1337Delta764 : I highly doubt it. I am calling shenanigans on that claim. Leather is definitely more sanitary.
154 delimit : He's actually not technically wrong. Leather is pourous, synthetic cloth isn't. It all comes out when you clean it, of course, but if he is assuming l
155 cokepopper : Early august for the first flight.
156 pqdtw : Some of the benefits to having leather as a seat cover are: -- it can be wiped down on a regular basis and doesn't have to be removed -- it does not
157 Glareskin : Dear Delta, I really encourage the upgrade of your old 767 airplanes. Because frankly, those are below par. But honestly, the new business seats are n
158 qf002 : The new seats turn into a fully flat bed, same at UA, and flatter than the A330s.
159 peanuts : But that's just it. It's not only about "choice". It's about the general convenience. If I choose the aisle, and someone gets the window, they still
160 cubsrule : Maybe it is just a pissing match. But shouldn't DL be actively trying to poach high revenue passengers from UA (and AA and US and CO and BA and LH, e
161 sxf24 : The data shows that DL is being successful in gaining high yield and corporate traffic. So, either people booking on DL are stupid or the product and
162 avi8 : how long will it take to refurbish all of the airplanes?
163 Glareskin : Well, judging from the pictures it is full flat but not fully horizontal like with UA. Surely it is more horizontal than in the older A330 seats.
164 Post contains images deltal1011man : they are fully horizontal. I guess its the angle, or something, but they are fully flat and horizontal. 2013 is the target date.
165 cubsrule : Which data?
166 klkla : It is fully flat. The seat in the picture hasn't been fully reclined. Before the merger I was a UA 1K and tired of the horrible service. I switched t
167 United1 : I thought you had been claiming that you were a DL medallion level member since well before the merger? That's a good question I would love to see it
168 sxf24 : Yields and corporate share.
169 klkla : I definitely achieved Medallion status before the merger. I was exclusively UA 1K for years and then qualified as elite with both of them for two yea
170 gigneil : So I wonder how long it will take United to upgrade the economy section of the 3 class 767s to be even remotely competitive with the industry... or ev
171 cubsrule : Please share. I'm lost. They are ahead of all but DL's new - and not yet rolled out - configuration. AA and US don't have any sort of in-seat enterta
172 United1 : The first international 2-class 763 should go into service this February...B/E diamond seats in J and new Y class seats and AVOD in Y. It's the same
173 UAL-Fan : I was an exclusive UAL Customer also but left them about 8 - 9 years ago too. Now I'm a very happy Platinum Medallion Member.
174 PIEAvantiP180 : If u read DL Q2 earnings report u will see that they mentioned several times that their corporate accounts have grown I think 24% since this same tim
175 Post contains images airtechy : I didn't appreciated how great the true lie flat seats were until I flew from CDG to BKK on a plane that was equipped with them. Didn't particularly l
176 gigneil : They don't have AVOD, and they did nothing to upgrade the bins, lighting, or cabin itself. The upgraded cabin features stop, abruptly, after J. I kno
177 b4real : Oh of course that makes sense. It's like food in a way... You eat with your eyes first. Flying, riding in a car, whatever; it is a similar perceptive
178 United1 : Their corporate travel revenue is up 24% year over year...that does not mean that any of that is high yielding (although I am sure some of that is) o
179 PPVRA : Very nice and very much needed. The sooner they get these mods done, the better. Delta's new management has been impressive IMO. They have a solid pla
180 PIEAvantiP180 : You are absolutely correct on all accounts. Im sure some of it is current clients spending more, some of it is low yielding but all carries have them
181 laca773 : Hats off to DL for beginning the long process of upgrading the hard products on the backbone of their fleet, the 763ERs! It's awesome they are doing t
182 bpat777 : Exactly how I feel. Well said!!
183 cubsrule : For what it's worth (probably not much), most of the DL talking heads have linked the increase to size, period, the end. But DL isn't the largest any
184 delimit : I don't think it really had anythinng to do with being the biggest; it had to do with having a network that provided corporations with a complete sol
185 cubsrule : We only disagree about a couple of words in this sentence, I think. For me, it was more than a "complete" solution - it was "the best" solution. That
186 Post contains images fawannabe : Im in love with this plane now!
187 Post contains links 1337Delta764 : Sorry to bump, but it looks like N1608 interior makes its first revenue trip today on ATL-MAN: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1608 DL's website a
188 FlyASAGuy2005 : Glad to see that. Back in action just like expected. They still plan on gettin 7 total done by years end which tells me the reduced flying is actually
189 pqdtw : Yeah, I think so, too. The winter schedule pull down will definitely help. I'm also wondering if MSP-NRT change to 777 this winter is completely reve
190 delimit : I wonder if any of the people flying J said, "Whee!" when they got on the plane? That's got to be a lovely surprise.
191 Post contains links panamair : More pics and details about the mods in today's Delta Blog entry: http://blog.delta.com/2011/08/05/del...67-300er-fleet-getting-a-new-look/
192 gigneil : I really mean bins, sidewalls, and lighting on this one. I should have been more specific. NS
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