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CX Flying B773 Between HKG N JNB  
User currently offlinewarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5652 times:

This is a route which i fly frequently on biz. Normally it is a B744 during high season and a A343 during low season.
I was booking a flight today and was really pleased to see that B773 has substituted the A343. I thought B773 could not be used on the route due to E-Top issues?


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User currently offlinebrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5629 times:

I've flown the 77W to JNB a couple of times from HKG. It's not a problem at all.

SQ and MH both fly the 77E to JNB as well.

My flight in September is still listed as a 744.

EDIT: Corrected the aircraft code.

[Edited 2011-07-28 01:32:51]

[Edited 2011-07-28 01:33:26]


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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5380 times:

Quoting warren747sp (Thread starter):
I thought B773 could not be used on the route due to E-Top issues

These planes take polar routings to the US so I doubt that there are ETOPS issues with them...


User currently offlineflythere From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5350 times:

Quoting warren747sp (Thread starter):
I was booking a flight today and was really pleased to see that B773 has substituted the A343. I thought B773 could not be used on the route due to E-Top issues?

All CX's 77W and 333 are certified the highest ETOPS standard AFAIK.


User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

It's not the ETOPS issue, it's the hot and high conditions of JNB and the weight the plane can haul if 1 engine fails on the take-off roll.


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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5082 times:

Quoting warren747sp (Thread starter):
This is a route which i fly frequently on biz. Normally it is a B744 during high season and a A343 during low season. I was booking a flight today and was really pleased to see that B773 has substituted the A343.

The CX 773s have been flying to JNB during northern summer from 2009 or even earlier.

Quoting The Coachman (Reply 4):
It's not the ETOPS issue, it's the hot and high conditions of JNB and the weight the plane can haul if 1 engine fails on the take-off roll.

I guess that's the main reason why the 744 takes over during northern winter when it is hot in JNB.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4937 times:

Quoting The Coachman (Reply 4):
It's not the ETOPS issue, it's the hot and high conditions of JNB and the weight the plane can haul if 1 engine fails on the take-off roll.

That's probably why they use the A343/744 at the moment, but that's going to have to change soon so it can't be that much of an issue. Once the quads have been retired they'll be left with a fleet of twins to operate into JNB (even if they did order A380 I doubt we'd see them in JNB) so they must have decided that it's not a big issue these days. My bet is we'll see the 77W year round once the 744s are gone - I imagine that they like the extra cargo space as well!


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 6):
My bet is we'll see the 77W year round once the 744s are gone - I imagine that they like the extra cargo space as well!

The HKG-JNB sector won't be a problem at all, the JNB-HKG sector may be weight restricted during northern winter. But then, I assume most of the cargo go from Asia to Africa.


User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4773 times:

Quoting The Coachman (Reply 4):
It's not the ETOPS issue, it's the hot and high conditions of JNB

Indeed, considering they opt for a daytime departure (probably to optimize connectivity). I saw her taxing out yesterday in One World livery, looking really cool.

SQ and TG also do daytime departures with the 77E. DL prefers night time for the 77L JNB-ATL sector.



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

The 773 obviously cannot, while the 77W can. This is probably where OP is confused. And I'm sure CX is using the 77W.


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User currently offlineflythere From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 6):
My bet is we'll see the 77W year round once the 744s are gone

Or mix with A359 when the bird delivered later this decade. While 744 and 343 still around for Cathay, we will still see the mix between them together with 77W, depending on the loading and season.

Quoting cchan (Reply 7):
The HKG-JNB sector won't be a problem at all, the JNB-HKG sector may be weight restricted during northern winter. But then, I assume most of the cargo go from Asia to Africa.

Quite correct. But would also expect South African export to rise steadily.

Quoting Swallow (Reply 8):
I saw her taxing out yesterday in One World livery, looking really cool.

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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

Quoting flythere (Reply 10):
Quite correct. But would also expect South African export to rise steadily.

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if the belly of these planes are filled with gold and diamonds.


User currently offlineflythere From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 11):
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if the belly of these planes are filled with gold and diamonds.

     
Also seafood and abalone (temperature and humidity sensitive), which is very popular in high-end Chinese and Japanese cuisine!


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4988 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 9):
The 773 obviously cannot, while the 77W can. This is probably where OP is confused. And I'm sure CX is using the 77W.

Correct, according to the CX timetable. It is a 13hr 15min flight which means about ~ 6250 nm ESAD airways routing.

The -300 would only carry about 17t or less than 200 passengers on such a sector length.


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