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Lan Is Leaving BSB  
User currently offlineCNForever From Brazil, joined Apr 2011, 91 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

According to information published in the Brazilian site Panrotas, LAN is suspending its LIM-BSB flight from Oct 20 idefinetly.
First victim in the BSB market.

Link to the information:

http://panrotas.com.br/noticia-turis...r-entre-brasilia-e-lima_69958.html

Sorry, only in portuguese.

Rgds


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User currently offlineSPIM2EDDN From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

According to that article the reason for this are the rising oil prices.

But what's really the problem? Probably the loads aren't good enough and the 319 is too much of an aircraft for the LIM-BSB route. Does anybody know how TA is doing on this route with their E190?

Regards


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

Quoting SPIM2EDDN (Reply 1):
Does anybody know how TA is doing on this route with their E190?


I don't get specific information on that. However, TA is being cautious with the segment LIM-BSB which is barely operating as thrice a week.
On the other hand, LP LIM-BSB is operating as 5x weekly.
This could be a sign indicating that LP LIM-GIG will not happen in the short term.


Regards.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

IMHO, major Brazilian markets outside SAO and RIO may not be able to support both LP and TA LIM flights, unless, maybe, if both airlines run entirely different schedules with smaller planes and this is a huge if.
LP, TA and CM now are practically compiting for the same BSB traffic.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1536 times:
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Quoting CNForever (Thread starter):
According to information published in the Brazilian site Panrotas, LAN is suspending its LIM-BSB flight from Oct 20 idefinetly.
First victim in the BSB market.

I would say the reason are the yields. LP have to fight for the market with AA, DL, TA, JJ and now CM, in general to North America. The point is that, their room for MIA is limited and the yields they were try to obtain, the competition drive them down while O&D seems limited and BSB do not have a business market so strong (besides a very strong government base).
It was just too much offer at the same time (all begin during the last 12 months) .

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 2):
On the other hand, LP LIM-BSB is operating as 5x weekly.
This could be a sign indicating that LP LIM-GIG will not happen in the short term.

LP will not fly LIM-GIG so soon. This segment will be operated by TAM in 2012.
And by the way, i'm sure Rio is a stronger business market as well as leisure destination than BSB could be as well as a larger market. Rio is the oil capital of South America while Brasilia is the capital of Brazil, and this says it all.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
Rio is the oil capital of South America

Sorry for MAR, but maybe some day JJ/G3 would like to link GIG and MAR.

Having GYN so close (for Brazilian distances), could GYN be seen as BSB's VCP and eventually getting some international flights?



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1420 times:
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LP could try to run the LIM-BSB in the afternoon instead. I believe would be a better choice.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):
Sorry for MAR, but maybe some day JJ/G3 would like to link GIG and MAR.

First we will see a GIG-CCS, in my view. Just as a side note, both Colombia and Uruguay while introducing a round for the exploration of oil recently, arrange road shows to key oil cities: i.e. Rio de Janeiro, London and Houston.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):
Having GYN so close (for Brazilian distances), could GYN be seen as BSB's VCP and eventually getting some international flights?

The lack of a big local market, together with a limited airport site would not allow that to happen.



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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1049 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
First we will see a GIG-CCS, in my view.

Agreed but I think that even that will take a while. G3 doesn't seem interested and JJ as well. Perhaps V8 can do it but there has never been any kind of info on that.



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User currently offlinepdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1088 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
Just as a side note, both Colombia and Uruguay while introducing a round for the exploration of oil recently, arrange road shows to key oil cities: i.e. Rio de Janeiro, London and Houston.

Absolutely. Rio de Janeiro is the key city for the energy sector in Latin America. While everyone knows Petrobras SA maintains its headquarters in Rio, less known is the fact that many local and foreign energy concerns also operate in Rio, including BG, BP, Shell, Repsol and many, many others.

The energy sector will keep carriers serving GIG very busy in the future, ferrying executives, engineers, workers, contractors, business consultants, lawyers, corporate financial advisers and others to Rio. Commercial traffic associated with the energy sector in Rio is hugely important to GIG.


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 579 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
LP will not fly LIM-GIG so soon. This segment will be operated by TAM in 2012.

Could it be that TAM might operate BSB-LIM-BSB ? I think that's a valid possibility and it would make sense within the framework of the planned merger between TAM and LAN.

I say this because I just find hard to believe that LP will continue to operate LIM-IGU, i.e. a leisure route.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1137 times:
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Quoting AF086 (Reply 7):
Agreed but I think that even that will take a while. G3 doesn't seem interested and JJ as well. Perhaps V8 can do it but there has never been any kind of info on that.

Rio in general is served by foreign carriers. The only example that goes against that was GIG-JFK and GIG-FRA operated by JJ before AA and LH.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 9):
Could it be that TAM might operate BSB-LIM-BSB ? I think that's a valid possibility and it would make sense within the framework of the planned merger between TAM and LAN.

I do not expect BSB-LIM before GIG-LIM. But it could be in late 2012 that JJ runs BSB-LIM.



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