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Does CO Exist Anymore?  
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17067 posts, RR: 10
Posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10481 times:

Does CO exist anymore, or has it ceased to operate? If I book a ticket through CO.com and it has a CO flight number, will the flight be technically flown by UA or is it still CO?


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User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10457 times:

Does this answer your question?
http://youtu.be/etr5eRQBA0w?hd=1
Taken this month!


Yes CO still exists. The flights are CO welcoming you on CO, operated by CO crew with CO Hemispheres mag and CO barf bag. Will be until one SOC.

The new UA is nothing more than CO dba UA. I flew CO every week and nothing has changed at CO since the merger with the exception of United on the outside of the planes. Same can't be said for PMUA and their elites on Flyertalk sure have a lot to say bout the new CO.



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User currently offlineBlueman87 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10449 times:

there owned by UA but still will fly till the SOC is Aproved


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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10434 times:
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Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 1):
operated by CO crew with CO Hemispheres mag and CO barf bag. Will be until one SOC.

Except for the few CO flights (to be) operated by UA, and vice versa...



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17067 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10299 times:

Great! Thanks for the quick answers.

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 1):
Does this answer your question?
http://youtu.be/etr5eRQBA0w?hd=1
Taken this month!

Yeah, I know.Spent the night at IAH two days ago, and boy is there a lot of CO signage.



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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5983 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10233 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
Yeah, I know.Spent the night at IAH two days ago, and boy is there a lot of CO signage.

Over the next 6 months or so all of that will switch over to UA...they are phasing it in starting with UAs hubs. The company CO will probably continue to exist for quite a while after SOC as they integrate the back ends of the two companies into UA even if at that point CO will no longer operate any aircraft.

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 1):
CO since the merger with the exception of United on the outside of the planes.

Quite a bit will be changing however over the next 6-18 months as they roll out new interiors, common policies and procedures, in flight service upgrades and get PMCO employees used to using FastAir/Res.



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User currently offlineflying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 437 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10079 times:

Quoting Blueman87 (Reply 2):
there owned by UA but still will fly till the SOC is Aproved

This is incorrect. They are sister subsidiaries owned (in parallel) by United Continental Holdings, Inc. They will be merged to form one subsidiary with SOC. Keep in mind these are legalities.

Flying_727



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User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1674 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10079 times:
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I was trying to price a flight for next April a couple of days ago, and Continental's website would only let me book flights through December. Most other airlines had schedules at least through April and were bookable. Does that mean that the merger will be finalized by the end of this year?

Bob Bradley



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9977 times:

Quoting L1011 (Reply 7):

I was trying to price a flight for next April a couple of days ago, and Continental's website would only let me book flights through December. Most other airlines had schedules at least through April and were bookable. Does that mean that the merger will be finalized by the end of this year?

The website has been having difficulties this week. There's no reason that it wouldn't let you book through April... I've been doing searches well into next year myself.


User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9888 times:

Quoting flying_727 (Reply 6):
They will be merged to form one subsidiary with SOC. Keep in mind these are legalities.

I don't think you "merge" a subsidiary in the legal sense, you just move all the activity and assets from one to another and then disincorporate the unneeded one. It's entirely possible that the Continental Airlines subsidiary could legally continue to exist for some time after SOC - can't imagine why off the top of my head, but it is possible.

At the least, besides achieving SOC Chelsea Food Services (currently a subsidiary of Continental Airlines) would have to be moved to become either a subsidiary of United Airlines or a direct subsidiary of United Continental Holdings before the Continental legal entity could be completely wound down.


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2912 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9731 times:
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Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 1):

What are the UA. elites saying? Do you have the link at flyer talk. I just flew RT in BF from EWR TO LHR on a 757. I liked it - i feel more at home on UA as a GS flier, but the food is better than UA! the thing that bothered me the most was if I wanted to upgrade to F...I couldn't. And the woman next to me spilled her coffee after take off. She gave herself a virtual sponge bath for 3 hours- then I had wished I had upgraded!



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User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9590 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 10):
What are the UA. elites saying? Do you have the link at flyer talk.

Just go to flyer talk .com and go to United Forum post and look. Almost every other post is how CO and Smisek is destroying UA! Seriously, just click on the forum and pick almost any thread and you will see it. So funny cause the UA elites *not say all of them* but are more whinny than CO elites, we watch in amazement as people complain complain complain...This has been going on for months and some people are complaining about every little detail down to the pattern of the china CO uses. I don't even read most of the crap anymore. I can't imagine how emails Jeff gets a week with people whining. Some people have turned the forum into a big crying bash.

[Edited 2011-07-30 16:46:43]

[Edited 2011-07-30 16:47:35]


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User currently offlineSulley From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 527 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9484 times:

CO777DAL, you are correct. Some of those posters are absolutely obnoxious (especially channa). He has an unhealthy obsession with Jeff Smisek. It's quite bizarre.

Fortunately, most UA customers in the real world are nothing like them.

[Edited 2011-07-30 16:46:35]


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User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9455 times:

Quoting Sulley (Reply 12):
Fortunately, most UA customers in the real world are nothing like them.

You are so correct about that! I fly almost every week and run to a lot of UA customers and talk to them and they are normal people! There are some on the forum that really ruin it for everyone and make it look like UA Elites are whinny. It amazes me how different the tone on the UA forum is from what I have seen in real life, but I don't dare say that there cause then they say I have just met all the wrong people or something like that.



Worked Hard. Flew Right. Farewell, Continental. Thanks for the memories.
User currently offlineEXCOASA1982 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8826 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 5):

Quite a bit will be changing however over the next 6-18 months as they roll out new interiors, common policies and procedures, in flight service upgrades and get PMCO employees used to using FastAir/Res.

I thought they were going to use Sonic/Shares as the reservation system???

[Edited 2011-07-30 18:14:31]

User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5983 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8598 times:

Quoting EXCOASA1982 (Reply 15):
I thought they were going to use Sonic/Shares as the reservation system???

Last I heard they were going to use fast air as the front end system. Supposedly the reason that SOC is delayed is they have to design some sort of middle-ware to sit on top of shares so that FastAir/FastRes will work.

Who knows there are allot of conflicting info out there but the Fast Air part seems to be fairly consistent..



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User currently offlinesampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8563 times:

I was wondering when CO/UA will merge operations in Sao Paulo. The airlines operate in 2 different terminals, with lengthy check-in lines. Will the combined airline fly to Chicago, Washington, Houston and Newark? Certainly they'll need expanded counter space but that's close to impossible.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5441 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8460 times:

I have a related question: what is the status of systemwide airport facilities consolidation? I haven't seen a thread on that for a while now and in SAN, CO and UA remain totally separate, ticket counters, gates, etc. (They are not even in the same terminals at Lindbergh.) Is this typical around the U.S. or are we an exception to the norm?

(Should I start a separate thread or is there a quick answer anyone can provide?) Thanks in advance.

bb


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2912 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7999 times:
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Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 11):

Well as a UA elite, but not a crazy, (ok-a bit crazy) United has always had an "elitist" approach with their customers. Those at the top, especially GS, are treated like Czars and those in the back like surfs. So as a UA GS I have been flying CO lately and miss the First Class cabin (it's very easy to get spoiled) and perks galore It was/is a strategy that has worked for them in the sense they drew the big paying pax in large numbers (my clients paid) and UA delivered on some (and just some) real premiumness for us. But...treated economy fliers as people who were aboard because it was $10 cheaper than American! So NO FRILLS! I believe that's where UA gets it's bad reputation. Not the front.
However I really would miss F class and the F lounges and the GS customer service phone line if they were to go- I'd switch to international carriers. CO is more about really good service and a smile from nose to tail. which is nice! A very relaxing atmosphere on board and awesome food. Which is why I have drunk the koolade: United hard product and CO soft product = greatest USA carrier. Give us UA folks time to see we won't loose the premium stuff. I would like one day to hear a CO flier say they were on UA in F on a 747 to HK and say...hey, UA was awesome... more F class please! (I haven't read that yet)

But as I said I just had a great RT on CO. I liked the 757, it felt special vs the 777 -They rocked it out on the pasta!
However...I am sorry to be cranky about the gauze blankets, like really? (and it is time for Smisek to update the china and amenity kit, they were both launched with the identity in '93. I was there!



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25464 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7598 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
I have a related question: what is the status of systemwide airport facilities consolidation? I haven't seen a thread on that for a while now and in SAN, CO and UA remain totally separate, ticket counters, gates, etc. (They are not even in the same terminals at Lindbergh.) Is this typical around the U.S. or are we an exception to the norm?

Also, are there any plans for CO flights at LHR to move from T4? I think they're the only Star Alliance carrier at T4, as far as they can possibly be from all other Star carriers at T1 and T3. The LHR website has the following reminder:

United Airlines and Continental Airlines

Although United and Continental have merged, this doesn't affect the terminals they use at Heathrow. United flights still operate from Terminal 1, and Continental from Terminal 4.


User currently offlinerising From United States of America, joined May 2010, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7467 times:

Quoting flying_727 (Reply 6):
This is incorrect. They are sister subsidiaries owned (in parallel) by United Continental Holdings, Inc. They will be merged to form one subsidiary with SOC. Keep in mind these are legalities.

You got it. Continental Airlines, Inc. will be dissolved and the surviving entity will be United Air Lines, Inc. The plan is for United Continental Holdings, Inc. to change it's name back to UAL Corporation, or something similar, as Continental will no longer be an entity. They have already started prepping for this by never referring to the parent company as UCH. They always use UAL, which is also the ticker symbol. Jeff Smisek is usually now referred to as the CEO of UAL in press releases and articles.

I know most know this, but It should be noted again that they do not need an SOC to use the name United Airlines on both groups. The SOC is an FAA formality, not a business one. United Airlines is a trade name, a brand, owned by United Air Lines, Inc. In theory, CO could use what ever trade name they want, as long as it's not restricted, and they disclose the legal name of the company doing the carriage. It's just like Skywest, d/b/a United Express. The plane is painted like United, the cabin looks like United, the boarding pass says United, the napkin says United. The FA says United Express. The only way a non-aviation person would know it's not is if you looked close on your ticket or in the fine print on belly of the plane.

In this case, it's Continental Airlines, Inc., d/b/a United Airlines, once they decide to go into the re-branding. I think the hold-up is they decided it may not be best to re-brand IAH right in the middle of the peak summer travel season. But they have every right to do so when they chose. Of course, once Continental is dissolved, this will all be academic.



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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5983 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7392 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
Also, are there any plans for CO flights at LHR to move from T4?

Not until the new terminal opens.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6456 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5968 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):

TPA - UA just moved to airside A with CO about 3 weeks ago.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

Quoting Sulley (Reply 14):
$mi$ek

I like this!

    

Time to pick up some Continental safety cards for our own private collections before they all disappear from the aircrafts seat pockets.

  



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User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1209 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5677 times:

Quoting B747forever (Thread starter):
Does CO exist anymore, or has it ceased to operate?

Continental is very much alive in Sweden at least. This morning flight CO 69 out of Stockholm operated with Continental callsign. This means the Continental AOC is still operating.



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25 flyhossd : To some degree, CO will never go away as UA flight operations will move to the CO Airline Operating Certificate eventually. Of course, the name on tha
26 B747forever : Exactly. Couple of days ago I picked up two 764 safety cards from my flight, adding to my collection of CO 772/753/752/739/738/735 safety cards.
27 CALTECH : Wow, you ain't kidding. They must have been abused children. The United customers we are running into have been very pleasant, along with the rampers
28 Viscount724 : Can anyone advise what's happening to Continental Micronesia which I believe is still a separate legal entity from CO, with at least cabin crew and ce
29 Post contains links CALTECH : http://www.voteiam.com/images/038.pdf 'On December 22, 2010, the FAA issued a new operating certificate covering both Continental and CMI.'
30 tpaewr : I think you could argue that brand awareness in NYC alone (and to a lesser degree Latin America) is reason enough for retaining the CO colors. I am su
31 United1 : A good portion of the synergies are already being realized at least monetarily...most of the synergies that SMI/J has been touting come from addition
32 tpaewr : my error, I meant "supposed"
33 exFATboy : I just looked on the CO website's press release section and the name "United Continental Holdings, Inc" is in the title of all releases involving the
34 AADC10 : I recall that UA targeted 11/11/11 for SOC. Does anyone know if that is still holding? Of course it also depends how fast the regulators review and ap
35 CALTECH : Whispering winds are that it will be slightly delayed now to early 2012. Just rumors of course.
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