DeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1 Posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1964 times:
If you could choose which plane would you rather fly on a MD-11 or L1011?? L1011 is almost completely gone from Delta, and there is talks of phasing out MD-11's. I personally think the L1011 is cooler than the MD-11. The design of the Tri-Star looks better.
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DC10Tony From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1012 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1842 times:
I think the MD-11 is the better plane. If the L-1011 were better than the DC-10, then why didn't it get converted like the DC-10 did to a better plane (MD-11)? Don't answer this by saying the L-1011 is better, because I work with both and the L-1011s ALWAYS need work and the DC-10s don't. The reason why the DC-10 was converted to the MD-11 (I imagine), is because MDC knew they had a great jet and wanted to keep it around as long as possible. What plane did Boeing aim at replacing when they were building the 777? The DC-10, not because it sucks (as some of you might say), but because the time and need had come for a better plane to emerge.
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1813 times:
The L-1011 is a better engineered aircraft than the MD-11. The systems in the L-1011 were far ahead of their time which is why it stayed in service far so long. The MD-11 is a modern state of the art CORRECTED COPY of the DC-10 with systems that it lacked when it came into service in the early 1970s such as one-way check valves in the hydraulic lines and a slat locking system.
DeltaOwnsAll From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1777 times:
MD-11 flies so great...great pax plane...if only they could redesign it to be more money efficient and safer *sigh. Anyways, I like newer planes, and the MD-11 flies great, so my vote is for the MD-11.
Super80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1762 times:
what do you mean by safer??? The only problem w/ the MD11 that I can think of off the top of my head is that it tends to be easy to tailstrike. Anyhow, I think these aircraft can't really be compared. They were made for different generations when there was different technology. I think they would have made an updated version of the L1011 if they hadn't almost gone bankrupt over the program, lol
DeltaOwnsAll From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1747 times:
The MD-11 has had wiring problems which have caused fires on numerous occasions, and has been reportedly harder to pilot because it's rudders were too small for such a large plane, giving it a fighter jet feel. As I recall, there was an Incident with the MD-11 when a pilot could not recover correctly and almost couldn't recover at all after moderate to severe turbulence due to the design flaw mentioned.
DeltaOwnsAll
FlyVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1313 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1741 times:
Does anyone know how high the ceilings are on these aircraft? I've always liked how the L1011's ceiling is so high, but I have never been on a DC10 or MD11 to compare. For ceiling, I actually mean the top of the aircraft from the cabin level, not maximum flight level.
Sometimes I go about in pity for myself and all the while a great wind carries me across the sky.
The Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1411 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1728 times:
JAL,
You NEVER give reasons to back up your opinions. WHY is the MD-11 a better plane? Just putting a picture of a JAL MD-11 DOES NOT, repeat DOES NOT mean that you've given your reasons.
DeltaOwnsAll,
You say the plane flies great and yet you say that the airliner handles like a fighter pilot. Correct me if I'm wrong but a 200+ ton airliner ought NOT to fly like an F-15. Sure, it might be great for a former Air Force pilot who joins an airline, but it's not great for the pax behind him who are wondering about the twitchy movements the pilot is wrestling with.
Aloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1709 times:
I like the MD-11 better mainly for aesthetic (appearance) reasons. And I'm sure alot of aviation fans also like a given aircraft based on it's appearance as well.
The MD-11 is not as economical as the L-1011. The -11 is a fuel guzzler no doubt about it. This costs the airlines money, therefore redering the MD-11 rather uneconomical. Which is why it was never as successful as McDonnell-Douglas had hoped and why Boeing gave it the axe.
But I do love the MD, and compare the flight deck as well. The MD-11s is so nice and I'd SO love to be the pilot-in-command of that bird!!!
However, the L-1011 is still a beautiful aircraft!!!!
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DeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1679 times:
I believe that if the Lockheed Company manufactured a new L1011 that it would be more advanced over the MD-11 most likely over the DC-10. In it's time the L1011 was king of the super jets and was used on many long-haul flight's. So if Airlines were worried about fuel economy why did they use them!!
AA767Boy From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 101 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1677 times:
DeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1671 times:
AA767Boy From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 101 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1668 times:
DeltaOwnsAll From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1658 times:
What I meant when I said that it flies great was that it is very smooth flying plane. It is just a little harder to fly/control in certain conditions...but it normal conditions it is very smooth.
DeltaOwnsAll
Seagull From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 340 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
Aloha,
What on Earth makes you think the L1011 burns less fuel than an MD-11? You have some bad numbers and are probably ignoring that the MD-11 can carry twice as much payload over twice as far!
Boeing 747-311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1618 times:
I like the md-11 the best, It look just spectacular.
Seagull From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 340 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1611 times:
TWA,
Not actually true, but the stats can be made to look that way. No different than the Concorde having the best safety record in the world until one day it had an accident and all of a sudden had the worst. The situation is no different.
Aloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1590 times:
Well I don't exactly have the exact numbers. From what I have READ IN THE PAST, the MD-11 has a horrendous fuel-burn rate, which is what eventually killed it. I could be wrong though.
I've always heard that the L-1011 was overall more fuel efficient. However, what is the fuel capacity of the MD11?
I wonder if perhaps the L-1011 carries less fuel, but is more fuel efficient. And the MD-11 carries more fuel and is less fuel efficient. I dunno.
I do know I read it somewhere.....................??
TWA717_200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1568 times:
Seagull, I don't know how you could manipulate the figures to make it look any different.
25 Silverstreak: Uh .........What in the hell you talking about kid?
26 Silverstreak: Uh .........What in the hell you talking about kid?
27 Duke: The MD-11 is my darling, my darling my darling. The MD-11 is my darling, the young MD-11! Do re mi fa so la ti do! But I'd still like to fly on an L10
28 American_4275: Hey, This is quite an appropriate discussion for me cuz i was just thinking about it! I have been on an L1011 to Hawaii and it has been the most marve
29 DeltaBoy777: I don't know why I like the L-1011 so much I guess it's just history!! history + sound + rumble= ME = Here's the Best of Both Worlds!! Click for large
30 L-1011Alpha: ........L-1011 ........better better better ! most beautiful! DeltaBoy777 has a good point. If Lockheed can design and create a new L-1011 it would ha
31 Seagull: MD-11 carries 258,300 pounds and average fuel flow is 16,000/hour total. Max TOGW is 630,500. Max payload is 200,000, approx. I would wager the L1011
32 Joona: The McDonnell Douglas MD-11 because FINNAIR has them Joona
33 Krvavec: Its almost impossible to compare L1011 to MD11. It would be better to do it on L1011 vs. DC10, or even L1011500 vs. DC1030.
34 Oldelwood: If The MD-11 Is A Fuel Burner Why Does Delta Use Only MD-11'S On Its Atlanta To Toyko Flights ?
35 Oldelwood: If The MD-11 Is A Fuel Burner Why Does Delta Use Only MD-11'S On Its Atlanta To Toyko Flights ?
36 JetRanger2000: In my opinon, the L-1101 was a well planned aircraft, while the MD-11 was well-done updated aircraft.
37 Lehpron: I think both look good. But the Tristar, I think, suffers less drag cuz the engine is buried into the fuselage. So it's better. How come Lockheed neve
38 MD-90: Oh wow, just because the MD-11 has more glass in the cockpit, then it must be the "cooler plane" that's "quite a step up." One of Delta's senior capta
39 MD-90: But please don't think I'm bashing the MD-11. I love them both. I just hate the unfounder facts and inaccurate speculation.
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