777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2402 posts, RR: 3 Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16231 times:
Haven't seen this on a.net yet; please delete if it's a duplicate. I know that this is technically not an impossible situation, but honestly, when was the last time a U.S. carrier diverted to Cuba?! Pretty cool, IMO, and here's to hoping it won't be too long before HAV becomes a regular destination for U.S. carriers.
Edited to quote the dumbest possible sentence from the article (fair use): "United does not typically fly to Cuba, according to its website." OMG, really?!
Sulley From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 501 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16155 times:
Technically, UA does fly to Cuba through CO Connection (Gulfstream)
Cadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1408 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16130 times:
something From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 24 Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16075 times:
Quoting Sulley (Reply 1):
Technically, UA does fly to Cuba through CO Connection (Gulfstream)
Interesting event though..
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 2): But it's not a regularly scheduled flight the way I understand it. You need special visas from the US and Cuba just to book that flight.
Marc
Still a flight. And I think these flights aren't open to the public, but only to Cuban immigrants visiting family back home.
But it still surprises me they didn't chose KIN as their diversion point. I'd expect better maintenance facilities there for A320, after Air Jamaica has flown them for the longest time.
01pewterz28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 35 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15947 times:
Remember the Swissaur crash and Valuejet crash most crews want to get the aircraft down on the ground ASAP and if that means in Cuba so be it. If a fire breaks out onboard an aircraft you have no place to go the crew did what they needed to do and not try to stretch it and make a different field.
777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2402 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15951 times:
Quoting something (Reply 3): But it still surprises me they didn't chose KIN as their diversion point.
Eh, you probably don't want to mess around with a burning smell in the cockpit. Based on the way Cubans are purported to maintain their pre-Castro GMs and Studebakers (not to mention Ilyushins, Yaks, and Tupelovs), the maintenance facilities at HAV actually might be pretty good!
Seriously though, it would've been really interesting if they'd have headed to Key West (EYW) and its 4,800' runway.
BP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 576 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15733 times:
In a few years we all be able to fly Cuba anyway.
Every time I fly our of MIA, I see at least 3-4 AA flights on the departure boards from MIA-HAV (obviously charters). The time will come.
"First To Fly The A-380" / 26 October 2007 SYD-SIN Inaugural
nostrum From Bahamas, joined Jul 2011, 34 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14727 times:
Quoting something (Reply 3): But it still surprises me they didn't chose KIN as their diversion point. I'd expect better maintenance facilities there for A320, after Air Jamaica has flown them for the longest time.
Kingston is about 1 1/2 hour further away. In 2005 CU and IB created IBECA, which gives maintenance to Airbus and Boeing aircraft from foreign airlines that fly to HAV and Cuba in general. Apart from that, CU still operates leased A320s since the 1990s, so I don't really know why it surprises you unless you think HAV is only flown by Cubana.
murchmo From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 157 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14224 times:
On the front page of Airliners.net under articles is a great story titled
"Nonstop to Havana: Better to be lucky than smart."
robo65 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 167 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14199 times:
Continental does fly scheduled charters from LAX and MIA to HAV. They are charted through a travel agency and all seats are sold through them.
Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2118 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13315 times:
and UA flew them thru the 90s with 747 and 777 and 767 and 757 at various times.
type-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4350 posts, RR: 20 Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11611 times:
There are international aviation agreements that allow for things like this. Cuba is a member country of those agreements. If an aircraft has an emergency, they offer a place to land and any ground emergency services that may be needed.
Anyway, UA sent another aircraft and picked up the passengers from this flight and got them to their destination, CUN.
Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
thunder9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 216 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11362 times:
Quoting 777fan (Reply 5): Seriously though, it would've been really interesting if they'd have headed to Key West (EYW) and its 4,800'
NQX (Key West NAS, Boca Chica Field) has one 10000 ft Rwy and two others another that are about 7100 ft, IIRC. Both of the shorter Rwys have about 1700 feet of comined overrun as well, so there was plenty of Rwy available there. I'm sure the crew determined that HAV was the nearest suitable airport for the emergency they were faced with.
-J
"Keep thy airspeed up, less the earth come from below and smite thee." - William Kershner
mortkork From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 36 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10440 times:
I'm not at all surprised by this. Friend and foe is obligated to aid the other in distress if needed unless in time of war. It's similar to the event I remembered reading about the US Navy in the Indian Ocean a couple of years back. They aided a North Korean ship harassed by pirates, gave medical attention to the crew, and escorted them to safer waters.
This just gets us excited again about what the future of U.S./Cuba relations might bring.
mir2069 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 50 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10316 times:
Out of Mia they operate as charter service.copa/taca/conti/eagle/allegiant all these airlines operate to Cuba out of MIa even tampa.It is considered humanitarian flights to to get by red tape but I here it is the most expense short flt average price 600-1500?
evanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9594 times:
CO sent an aircraft over from CUN to pick up the stranded pax and crew. Pretty crazy...
einsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2043 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7768 times:
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 17): thinking "pity that this is not happening in THR or MSP".
Well, it did happen once. Remember some years ago when the NW flight from India diverted to THR?
"You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky."
goblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6639 times:
The last statement of the article sounds funny but I think CNN is just avoiding any potential lawsuits due to the content of the article. By reminding the American public of federal law restrictions into Cuba, UA might take it as libel by CNN insinuating UA has no problem breaking federal law. That's at least what I got out of it.
maxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 854 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5704 times:
Quoting thunder9 (Reply 13): NQX (Key West NAS, Boca Chica Field) has one 10000 ft Rwy and two others another that are about 7100 ft, IIRC. Both of the shorter Rwys have about 1700 feet of comined overrun as well, so there was plenty of Rwy available there. I'm sure the crew determined that HAV was the nearest suitable airport for the emergency they were faced with
I fly to CUN all the time and have considered exactly where I might divert for just such an emergency. Oddly enough, NQX is not in our nav database. I know about it from flight instructing out of EYW in the 1970s.
The UA guys might not even known NQX was there. Since I do, that would be my preferred choice. Nothing against HAV, I've flown there over 40 times. But NQX has military firefighting crews and is directly along the airway from CUN.
TCASAlert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5643 times:
Quoting ,reply=: But crew members "noticed an unfamiliar smell in the cabin," said United Airlines spokesman Charlie Hobart.
That'll be Cuba then...
In all seriousness though, I don't see why this is such a big deal - I mean it's not like they're landing in a warzone or anything.....it's only because of a little spat years ago.....
I mean if we stopped flying to every country we'd ever had a spat with we wouldn't be able to fly anywhere.....
NYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1381 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5447 times:
Quoting mortkork (Reply 14): I'm not at all surprised by this. Friend and foe is obligated to aid the other in distress if needed unless in time of war. It's similar to the event I remembered reading about the US Navy in the Indian Ocean a couple of years back. They aided a North Korean ship harassed by pirates, gave medical attention to the crew, and escorted them to safer waters.
I wonder what happens if an El Al plane has an emergency and has to divert to Iran?
Grid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5359 times:
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 2): But it's not a regularly scheduled flight the way I understand it. You need special visas from the US and Cuba just to book that flight.
Marc
But if you can get a visa on arrival in Cuba, why would you need one to book? Or is tit only that flight that requires a visa to book?
Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 22): I wonder what happens if an El Al plane has an emergency and has to divert to Iran?
For another thread, I suppose.
Good question. I suppose it would divert anywhere else if possible.
migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1279 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5204 times:
Quoting Grid (Reply 23): But if you can get a visa on arrival in Cuba, why would you need one to book? Or is tit only that flight that requires a visa to book?
Actually the problem is not Cuba, it´s in the USA, if you want you can go to Cuba via Bahamas, Dominican Republic or Mexico and get the visa 25 when getting into Cuba and 25 when leaving.
I really recommend all of you to visit Cuba, it a great place with great people, you´ll enjoy a lot there.
It´s not the first time an USA plane land in Cuba in emergency, no problem at all, I think they have some kind of agreement also just in case a Cuban plane land in USA when flying to Canada.
Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 22): I wonder what happens if an El Al plane has an emergency and has to divert to Iran?
I think they are not even allow to overfly, like Saudi Arabia.....
25 workhorse: Can't happen because El Al does never overfly Iran. But some time ago a US-registered airliner (NW, AFAIR) made an emergency landing in THR. And gues
26 tymnbalewne: I wonder if NAS Guantanamo Bay would ever be an option?
27 einsteinboricua: Apples and oranges here. US carriers don't face an overfly ban from Iran, despite relations between the two countries to be non-existent (someone cor
28 777fan: I think you're giving CNN too much credit! My guess is that whomever wrote the snippet thought they were adding something of value. Ha! I didn't even
29 CRFLY: I remember when LACSA (LR) used to fly from San Jose (SJO) to Toronto (YYZ), via Havana (HAV) in the late 90s, with the old 737-200s who had the range
30 D L X: My guess is that the US would reciprocate... but that the passengers might not reboard the craft.
31 777fan: Yes, and for some reason, I seem to recall a Cubana flight having to divert to the U.S. a few years ago. I may be totally getting my wires crossed or
32 AR385: Exactly. I was aware of this company, but I was not aware that they were also prepared to service Airbus type aircraft. At the time I read the articl
33 D L X: If it were on fire, they would be. I think we give political asylum to Cubans like soccer moms give out candy at Halloween. Unless they play baseball
34 CALTECH: "He also worked with co-workers in the Legal department to obtain clearance for the CO rescue aircraft from CUN to land at HAV." "Supervisor *** ****
35 sw733: If El Al is coming from Asia, they usually go up the Gulf of Aden or Red Sea. They may clip the northern tip of Somalia at most, but then dart betwee
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