MCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 565 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 17253 times:
I've just stumbled upon this article, and thought I'd share. Apparently Prince Harry flew U2 to EDI in order to attend Zara Philips' wedding this past weekend. While I commend him for traveling on a commercial flight, I certainly hope that he had a security detail with him as well. I'm surprised he didn't fly LHR/LCY-EDI, traveling to (presumably) to LTN would have been a pain from central London.
jonnyclark From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 16312 times:
The Queen has flown BA first class many times. Their BAE plane can't do the hop across the Atlantic without a few stops, so it normally travels ahead, and then the Queen will book out the entire first class cabin and travel in there. It's very common for Royal families to travel commercial craft.
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 11136 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16039 times:
I am sure Prince Harry must enjoy flying on commercial flights. He is a cool chap. Wish I could have him as seat neighbour on one of my flights!
Princess Caroline and Princess Stephanie of Monaco and their children fly on Air France from Nice to Paris and Strasbourg. They sit in Economy and board the aircraft at the same time with everybody else. They have been doing it for years. The only difference is that they wait for their flights in the AF lounge and go to the gate at boarding time.
Prince Albert used to do the same thing - we know of his flings with stewardesses - but not anymore especially not after he got married. The Prince and Princess now use the Principality's two Falcon 900s. They also serve for government travel.
I don't see why royals should not be using commercial aviation on their travels. The Queen and Queen Mother flew on board British Airways Concordes a number of times.
[Edited 2011-08-02 00:36:14]
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
"When the 26-year-old prince flew off to Courchevel for a skiing holiday with his girlfriend Kate Middleton and her family earlier this month, very few people got to know that he sat among the economy passengers on the British Airways Heathrow to Geneva flight."
skipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 15441 times:
He flies commercial or he doesn't fly. The old BAe146s don't have the range or flexibility to go all that far and their use is discouraged on cost grounds. The days of 10SQ flying VIPs around on spare VC10s are long gone as the RAF transport fleet is VERY busy fighting two wars !
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 8247 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14962 times:
Quoting jonnyclark (Reply 7): The Queen has flown BA first class many times. Their BAE plane can't do the hop across the Atlantic without a few stops, so it normally travels ahead, and then the Queen will book out the entire first class cabin and travel in there. It's very common for Royal families to travel commercial craft.
When Queen Elizabeth travels long haul as either Queen of the UK or Head of the Commonwealth she has always flown in a chartered BA aircraft. That aircraft has then been used for any intermediate flights before it brings Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip home. To my knowledge no aircraft from 32 (The Royal) Squadron has ever been flown out for use for short haul flights to anfd from from a long haul destination.
Neither does the Queen always use the small aircraft flown by 32 Squadron on short haul State Visits. So, for example BA A319 G-EUPN was chartered on the State Visit to Italy in October 2000 (when it also flew several Italian internal legs) and 'PW on the State Visit to Norway in May 2001. Similarly BA A320 G-EUUO was used both for the State Visit to France in April 2004 and for the Queen to attend the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting(CHOGM) in Malta in November of that same year..
Before a long haul flight the BA Royal Suite (which includes two full-size single beds, an oak table and four chairs (not seats)) is fitted in the F Cabin. An appropriate number of seats at the rear of the Y cabin are removed to create space to store items that will be required on the flight. These items will include the clothes that will be worn by the Royal Party on arrival.
Up to and including the Royal State Visit to Ghana, South Africa and Mozambique in November 1999 the Royal Suite was fitted in a 763. The full details on that occasion illustrating the use of a long haul aircraft on shorter flight segments are:
BA B763 G-BNWH:
24 Oct 99. MAN-JFK (BA1503). JFK-LGW (BA2172).
25 Oct 99 To B A Maintenance Heathrow for painting and fitting of Royal Suite after ferry flight LGW-LHR (BA9181P).
7 Nov 99, HM Queen Elizabeth boarded at LHR. LHR-ACC (BA9135C).
9 Nov 99 ACC-JNB (BA9136C).
Subsequently three flights within RSA including flight to Durban to attend the CHOGM and also to CPT (BA98137C/38C/39C) (JNB-CPT-DUR-JNB? or JNB-DUR-CPT-JNB?).
15 Nov 99 JNB-MPU (BA9140C) and MPU-LHR (BA9141C).
16 Nov 99. To BA Maintenance LHR for removal of Royal Suite.
22 Nov 99 ferried LHR-MAN.
23 Nov 99 MAN-JFK (BA1503) returned to scheduled service
Since that date long haul charters on behalf of Queen El;izabeth have been flown by BA 772s. 'Internal ' flights at the destination country have been flown by the same aircraft. So, for example, on the State Visit to the USA in May 2007 G-YMMG was fitted with the Royal Suite:
BA 772 G-YMMG:
28 Apr 07. Last scheduled flight (PEK-LHR - BA038)
29 Apr 07. To BA Maintenance to be fitted with Royal Suite.
3 May 07. LHR-RIC (BA9148C) charter flight with Royal Party.
4 May 07. Repositioned to ??? - anyone know where? - as BA9149C to collect Royal Party. Then ???-LEX (BA9150C) for Kentucky Derby.
6 May 07. LEX-ADW (BA9151C) with Royal Patty
8 May 07. Departed ADW for LHR (BA9152C) very late (departing 2301 local) with Royal Party.
9 May 07 Arrived LHR. To BA Maintenance for removal of Royal Suite
12 May 07 Returned to scheduled service (LHR-BLR BA119).
MCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14803 times:
Quoting VV701 (Reply 15): When Queen Elizabeth travels long haul as either Queen of the UK or Head of the Commonwealth she has always flown in a chartered BA aircraft. That aircraft has then been used for any intermediate flights before it brings Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip home
This is how I've always understood them to travel. I've never heard of Her Majesty and His Highness traveling on a commercial flight with a converted F cabin. As for Charles, and the boys I always thought they'd fly on one of the BAe 146's (I think those are still around?) for short haul, and military transport/BA charter for state visits.
This is just the first time I've ever heard of senior UK royals traveling commercially.
Quoting kl911 (Reply 11):
Whats wrong with flying a LCC? People here talk like its a disease.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with them flying LCC, I'll admit I'd expect them to fly BA, BD or VS over BE or U2. As I said at the start of the thread, I commend him for traveling on a commercial flight.
Babybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14675 times:
Quoting VV701 (Reply 15): Before a long haul flight the BA Royal Suite (which includes two full-size single beds, an oak table and four chairs (not seats)) is fitted in the F Cabin.
It's odd that they need to fit a special set of seats and tables, especially in First. Isn't there enough space per person as it is? Her PA could sit on the otterman.
Regards travelling on LCCs, the press like to give the impression of them turning up for a flight like anyone else. The reality is they are normally surrounded by 12 bodyguards, ones you can see and ones you can't. I believe they need to be kept safe I just wish the media would give up trying to fool us otherwise.