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BOS/LGA: Regularly Scheduled Domestic Widebodies?  
User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 862 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

Do BOS or LGA currently have any regularly-scheduled domestic passenger flights on widebodies?

Also, have PVD or MHT, Boston-area airports, ever seen scheduled widebody service in the past?

[Edited 2011-08-02 17:24:25]


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User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

BOS does not currently have regular scheduled domestic wide body flights however substitutions are common by various airlines.

User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter):
Also, have PVD or MHT, Boston-area airports, ever seen scheduled widebody service in the past?

In the early-Mid 2000's Delta would sub in 763's to PVD during the school vacation weeks.

Also this fall they had it where you can book on the empty legs of the New England Patriot charters into PVD. They used to do this in the past and I got one one that way. It was in there a few weeks ago but I cant find them now.

Pretty crazy that BOS doesnt have any domestic widebodies now...



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User currently offlinecloudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 793 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

You will occasionally see them between BOS and ATL on Delta. Especially around the holidays. They even sometimes fly the business elite product between the two.

I remember in the early 90s flying TWA's L1011 between Boston and JFK.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8868 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Largest scheduled plane into MHT that I can recall (from a pax side) is the 757-200. United frequently brought it in during the 2000s; US Airways dropped it in briefly.

BDL has received Delta 767-200 and 767-300s in the past decade to Atlanta, Cincinnati and New York/JFK. Not sure (but wouldn't shock me) if the L-1011 was used at some point as well. AA also used the A300 on BDL-SJU in the mid-1990s.

Biggest plane into PWM that I can find in the past 10 years is a Continental 737-800 from EWR. Delta's MD-88s and JetBlue's A320s have been more frequent (just slightly smaller) visitors. CO has a few one-off mainline flights from the past into New England; they also had some 737-700s into BTV from EWR around school vacation weeks.


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 729 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

To answer your question: no, none of those airports see regularly scheduled widebody service.

At one point in the spring DL briefly had a 763 scheduled on one of the ATL-LGA runs for the summer, but that only lasted in the schedules for about a week.

BOS hasn't seen regularly scheduled widebody service since AA cut the 763s from LAX-BOS a year or two ago.



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User currently offlinekeagkid101 From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter):
Also, have PVD or MHT, Boston-area airports, ever seen scheduled widebody service in the past?

Domestically, no, but internationally, PVD has seen scheduled widebody service in the past from S4 to PDL. I believe the flights were twice weekly on an A310.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

It's quite sad the sate that BOS is in now. What's also sad is how under-utilized most of the real estate is out there. DL sunk what, $500M into the new terminal (yes, not all their money) for an operation today that is laughable.

But to the topic, I think the last time BOS saw scheduled domestic wide-body service from DL at least was when the 762s were in the fleet. As a matter of fact, my last flight on a 762 was on the Spirit of Delta BOS-ATL around 2006. Not many were in the fleet at that time either. They were at 15 strong for a while then fell to around 6 or 7 before they were all grounded.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8868 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 7):
But to the topic, I think the last time BOS saw scheduled domestic wide-body service from DL at least was when the 762s were in the fleet. As a matter of fact, my last flight on a 762 was on the Spirit of Delta BOS-ATL around 2006. Not many were in the fleet at that time either. They were at 15 strong for a while then fell to around 6 or 7 before they were all grounded.

Aside from occasional one-offs (repositioning 767s for the LHR route this year; holiday extras; scheduled repositions; etc.), the last time there was regular, daily 767 domestic service on Delta out of BOS was April 2006. Was primarily 1x daily 767-300, with some extras on certain days.


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

I believe I read somewhere recently that AA was bringing 767-300's back to LGA in the near future.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 4):
Not sure (but wouldn't shock me) if the L-1011 was used at some point as well.

They did have L-1011 service to ATL (I remember once as a kid having my flight to BOS cancelled and Delta upgrading us to F on an L-1011 to BDL and also paying for a rental car to Boston), but there also was a flight that went BDL-BOS-BDA and BDA-BOS-BDL. http://www.departedflights.com/DL121583p48.html

[Edited 2011-08-02 21:18:20]

User currently offlinebpat777 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

AC flew a 763 into LGA yesterday in the early evening about 5p. So far this summer I've seen about 3 DL 763's subbing for 757's to and from ATL.

User currently offlineCairnterriAIR From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

BDL saw L-1011's from both DL and EA, A300's from EA and AA, 767's from UA and DL, DC-10's from UA and AA, and way back when an occasional UA and AA 747 would show up. As for the Delta L-1011 runs, there was a flight for many years that ran BDL-BOS-BDA and back, as well as runs to ATL. The last passenger widebody service operated as late as 4 years ago...AA operated a daily A300 service to SJU. Now if you wish to fly aboard a scheduled widebody flight out of BDL, you have to do so while packed in a cardboard box aboard either FedEx or UPS.

User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Gotcha, thanks for all the info. I do remember flying in 2005 a "vintage" 1988 DL 763 (in the livery before wavy gravy, 128DL) between ATL-BOS, which was very nice.

I'm flying DL DTW-LGA in October and was hoping for a widebody since the flight is between two busy airports, but alas it was switched from an A320 to an MD-88 (which I guess, if you think about it, is like 5/7 wide of a 767 in coach and 2/3 in first...).



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 7):
It's quite sad the sate that BOS is in now. What's also sad is how under-utilized most of the real estate is out there.

What are you talking about? Sad for whom? Sad about what? Not for us customers who have more non-stop flights to more destination, at cheaper prices than ever before in the history of BOS. And that's not just domestic service either. Starting next Sprong BOS will have its first ever non-stop to East Asia (NRT). There's nothign to be sad about the state of BOS.
I also don't get your comment about under-utilized real estate, at a time when WN has to be forced to operate out of a corner of the International terminal due to lack of gate space anywhere else in the airport. So DL made a bad investment, tough luck. DL's loss is someone else's gain. Currently CO and AS. Although if you ever traveled thru the current terminal A vs. the former terminal A it's hard to think of it as a bad investment.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
What are you talking about? Sad for whom? Sad about what? Not for us customers who have more non-stop flights to more destination, at cheaper prices than ever before in the history of BOS. And that's not just domestic service either. Starting next Sprong BOS will have its first ever non-stop to East Asia (NRT). There's nothign to be sad about the state of BOS.
I also don't get your comment about under-utilized real estate, at a time when WN has to be forced to operate out of a corner of the International terminal due to lack of gate space anywhere else in the airport. So DL made a bad investment, tough luck. DL's loss is someone else's gain. Currently CO and AS. Although if you ever traveled thru the current terminal A vs. the former terminal A it's hard to think of it as a bad investment.

I get it, WN and B6 doing well in Boston...



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User currently offlinedaviation From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

AA used to run DC-10s between LGA and BUF back in the 1970s. I used to fly them all the time to college.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24084 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Quoting bpat777 (Reply 10):
AC flew a 763 into LGA yesterday in the early evening about 5p

AC also had at least 2 763 substitutions YYZ-LGA-YYZ about 2 weeks ago.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Well when you really think about it, BOS is kind of like other airports in the region:

EWR: Only sees domestic widebodies to IAH and HNL on UA/CO. Previously having 767 action from both UA and AA on transcons. CO used to operate a 762 between EWR-LAX as well. DL flew the 762 and 763 to ATL on and off too.

PHL: Other than 762s and A330s on US to CLT and maybe PHX, I can't think of anything else.

BUF: None. Although apparently was a widebody haven in the 1980s with EA. United flew a 757 on BUF-ORD last year.

BWI: None.

DCA: None.

IAD: Gets more love with 763s and 777s to all the PMUA hubs.



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User currently offlineupsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 803 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2145 times:
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Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 17):
Well when you really think about it, BOS is kind of like other airports in the region:

EWR: Only sees domestic widebodies to IAH and HNL on UA/CO. Previously having 767 action from both UA and AA on transcons. CO used to operate a 762 between EWR-LAX as well. DL flew the 762 and 763 to ATL on and off too.

PHL: Other than 762s and A330s on US to CLT and maybe PHX, I can't think of anything else.

BUF: None. Although apparently was a widebody haven in the 1980s with EA. United flew a 757 on BUF-ORD last year.

BWI: None.

DCA: None.

IAD: Gets more love with 763s and 777s to all the PMUA hubs.

Don't forget JFK widebody routes on domestic. AA 762/763 to LAX and sometimes SFO and MIA. DL A332 to ATL should be thrown in as well.

John


User currently offlineaa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

It's been a few years since I flew out of LGA, but I vividly remember seeing a AA 763 about to depart onward to MIA and BGI. I was under the impression that was a regular flight. Not a sub. Assuming that was the case when did it stop? MAH where you at?  


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Quoting upsmd11 (Reply 18):

Don't forget JFK widebody routes on domestic. AA 762/763 to LAX and sometimes SFO and MIA. DL A332 to ATL should be thrown in as well.

John

Along with the on again off again 763ER. Delta's equipment between JFK and Atlanta seems to change quite often. Some weeks ago there were no Airbuses (319s/320s) now there is a 319 on DL 807. DL 122 was a 738 for quite a while but is now an MD88. DL 123 was a 763ER not too long ago but is now an A332. DL 2350, the early morning 0715 departure out of ATL was a 73H for months but is now a 757. It almost always turns to STI so I guess the change makes sense.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5430 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 17):
Other than 762s and A330s on US to CLT and maybe PHX, I can't think of anything else.

Subs are not uncommon from CLT/PHL, but PHX sees no US widebody activity.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

Here's a UA 763 from July 10th at BOS, not sure if it's a diversion or sub;


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User currently offlineHKG212 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2008, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
Quoting bpat777 (Reply 10):
AC flew a 763 into LGA yesterday in the early evening about 5p

AC also had at least 2 763 substitutions YYZ-LGA-YYZ about 2 weeks ago.

I have flown 767s on LGA-YYZ numerous times in the late 1990s and early 2000s after massive cancellations due to severe weather -- YYZ flights are among the first to be held on the ground in those situations. It's easy for AC to then use one of the 767s they have lying around in YYZ for the short hop to LGA to catch up on a backlog. Good to hear they are still doing it!


User currently onlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 4):
AA also used the A300 on BDL-SJU in the mid-1990s.

Actually, A300 service on BDL-SJU last until 2008!

Quoting Soxfan (Reply 12):
I'm flying DL DTW-LGA in October and was hoping for a widebody since the flight is between two busy airports, but alas it was switched from an A320 to an MD-88 (which I guess, if you think about it, is like 5/7 wide of a 767 in coach and 2/3 in first...).

You won't see a widebody on DTW-LGA, but possibly on ATL-LGA if you're lucky.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 22):
Here's a UA 763 from July 10th at BOS, not sure if it's a diversion or sub;

Likely a sub. BOS sees several UA 767 subs per month in the normal course of operations.



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25 DLMD90 : HUh? you no make no sense at all.
26 FlyASAGuy2005 : Okay. Do you think the money spent by Leo and his gang was worth it, looking at Delta's operation in Boston today?...That was my point. Someone else
27 csavel : Aaaah memories. Back in the 70s, LGA was a widebody paradise and I flew on the Eastern Air Shuttle on an A-300 from LGA to BOS! They flew them on coll
28 Post contains images airbazar : I'm sure you've heard of DL's bankrupcy, have you not? That opened the door for the competition to come in and take market share: B6 and WN. Neverthe
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