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United & IAH Plan $686m Renovation  
User currently offlinesnn2003 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13839 times:

Hello everyone. If this has already been discussed please feel free to delete this post, but I just found this story today. I was not aware there were short term plans to renovate terminal D.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7679375.html

SNN


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13807 times:

This item needs a better title. Why is IAH always under construction?

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13588 times:
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But B is so busy.

How can you do a complete renovation on something so congested as B and still keep it open?

However, they might as well start with gate B-84 (is it A through Q now?) which is already at the breaking point.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13534 times:
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Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
This item needs a better title.

Other than the fact that it makes no sense whatsoever there's nothing wrong with the title.


User currently offlinetpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13200 times:

HAS= Houston Airport System

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13018 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
This item needs a better title.

Other than the fact that it makes no sense whatsoever there's nothing wrong with the title.
Quoting tpaewr (Reply 4):
HAS= Houston Airport System

HAS = Houston Airport System, which few people know
Has = a verb

I'm guessing "United &" was caused by some sort of HTML glitch on the a.net side. I've had similar problems inside postings.


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 12942 times:

Are they really trying to use the 2014 World Cup being in Brazil to justify the Terminal D expansion? IAH has all of two flights a day to Brazil and all of four flights a day to Asia and they are going to be teeming with WC pax. I had to laugh out loud! Talk about a reach!

User currently offlinefutureorthopod From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12363 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
This item needs a better title. Why is IAH always under construction?

I think they are just trying to follow the general trend of Houston...LOL

Houston, for as long as I can remember been a construction nightmare.


User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12225 times:

Quoting futureorthopod (Reply 7):
Houston, for as long as I can remember been a construction nightmare.

IAH is IMHO just a conflagration of old and dingy terminals (Except E) connected by a train. Totally cramped. Especially the B gates. DEN has by far the nicest facilities of any UA hub, but it seems to be the least important to the new UA. But that's the subject of another thread  



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12132 times:

Quoting futureorthopod (Reply 7):
Houston, for as long as I can remember been a construction nightmare

I hardly ever come across any construction problems or get stuck in traffic making my way from Humble to the Woodlands, or from either spot to Downtown. Dunno why, but the Eastex freeway (north of Crosstimbers Rd.) is always free and clear, and as a rule, I stay off of 45 south of IAH.

Quoting Caspian27 (Reply 8):
IAH is IMHO just a conflagration of old and dingy terminals (Except E) connected by a train. Totally cramped. Especially the B gates

LOL, I like the E gates, and Terminal D is still nice to me. I cant stand B or parts of A though, and C is definately showing its age.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11765 times:

I wish they would spend the money on a new concourse at IAD...again for another thread...

User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11014 times:

Honestly, the airport doesn't need any of this expansion it's just UA wanting to spread out. However, the jobs ARE needed and it's a good thing IAH is doing this project...but only to do its share of stimulating the economy. any other reason doesn't make any sense. How will the FAA stalemate affect this project?


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10964 times:

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 4):
HAS= Houston Airport System

Thanks for the clarification. For a second there I thought Scotty was back.

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 11):
Honestly, the airport doesn't need any of this expansion it's just UA wanting to spread out.

Everything is bigger in Texas.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10931 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 11):
Honestly, the airport doesn't need any of this expansion it's just UA wanting to spread out.

The airport does need the expansion, and fast. Untidy is not the only airline expanding IAH services. DL and US are adding flights as well as other airlines.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10896 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
This item needs a better title. Why is IAH always under construction?

Houston is the closest thing to Dubai in America right now in terms of construction and prosperity. Med Center and road construction is ongoing. Plus, IAH from an architectural point of view needs cohesiveness amongst its terminals. IAH has always been expanded out of necessity versus grand planning.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
Quoting goblin211 (Reply 11):
Honestly, the airport doesn't need any of this expansion it's just UA wanting to spread out.

It does actually. The only free gates at IAH honestly are Terminal A South Concourse where UA vacated...and those are being used by Colgan Q400s.



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3479 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10789 times:

"The airport does need the expansion, and fast. Untidy is not the only airline expanding IAH services. DL and US are adding flights as well as other airlines."

Really????? How many flights are DL and US adding at this spoke city combined? Enough to "expand?"


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10733 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 15):
Really????? How many flights are DL and US adding at this spoke city combined? Enough to "expand?"

It's still an expansion if you ad frequencies or upgrade equipment. My biggest gripe with DL used to be their nonstops between SLC and IAH were all on CR9's. Two flights are now being upgauged to 737's or A319/A320's. Also, there's an extra flight from MSP, MEM and 2 more frequencies from ATL. US is also adding frequencies from CLT and PHL and the E170's are finally leaving IAH for Airbus equipment or 734's. An expansion doesn't have to be service to differnet cities, it can be smaller, such as more seats to the flights they already have.



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User currently offlinehomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2244 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10577 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 14):
The only free gates at IAH honestly are Terminal A South Concourse where UA vacated...and those are being used by Colgan Q400s.

Aren't those at Terminal A North Concourse?



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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1572 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10142 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Why is IAH always under construction?

Because they're trying to do the whole airport at once instead of one terminal at a time? Because they keep planning for current needs, not future needs (anyone remember PDX's LONG LONG LONG renovation)?

Admittedly, it would be hard to shut down all of Terminal C to rebuild it, but there are other ways to approach the huge construction requirements in IAH.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9942 times:

Quoting homer71 (Reply 17):
Aren't those at Terminal A North Concourse?

No. Q400s occupy former UA gates on South Concourse. Colgan Saabs are on the North Concourse.

Of note, Terminal B reconstruction will ultimately mimic Terminal E complete with its own FIS. 3 concourses on the North Side of B and 3 concourses on south side of B for Express.

I don't see the DL and US expansion that was mentioned. The only real change I see at US is that PHL looks to be going all E190 up from 175s. CLT is all 734 for the foreseeable future and no change on the horizon from PHX (1x319 and 3x 733).

Here is the DL schedule for a random date (Sept 30)
ATL - 4xM88, 1x319, 1xCR9, 1xM90 (Surprise, hadn't seen those in a while here at IAH)
SLC - 2xCR9 and 1x CR7. Don't see that one changing - any confirmation on it going mainline?
DTW - 3xCR9, 2xCR7
MEM - 3x CRJ
MSP - 2x175, 2xCR9
CVG and JFK moving (ed) to Hobby
So actually DL has decreased at IAH and increased at HOU.
HOU looks like this.
CVG - 1xCR9, 1xCR7
JFK - 1x CR9
ATL - 6x CR9, 1xM88

So Delta has 14 flights a day between Atlanta and Houston (IAH&HOU). That's a good amount of capacity.
Air Tran has 7 from HOU and CO/UA have 9 from IAH.

[Edited 2011-08-04 14:35:17]


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User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 808 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9686 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 10):
I wish they would spend the money on a new concourse at IAD...again for another thread...

Here, here!!! If they put one dime into another terminal before investing in IAD they are incompetent.



...are we there yet?
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9649 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 19):
ATL - 4xM88, 1x319, 1xCR9, 1xM90 (Surprise, hadn't seen those in a while here at IAH)
SLC - 2xCR9 and 1x CR7. Don't see that one changing - any confirmation on it going mainline?
DTW - 3xCR9, 2xCR7
MEM - 3x CRJ
MSP - 2x175, 2xCR9

SLC is confirmed, at least it was in a recent email from Delta on service enhancements after Sept. sent to my Travel Agency. Don't have a set in stone date though, they were just saying more seats on wifi-equipped aircraft from SLC to IAH. I dont even know what time that flight would be, hopefully either in time to connect to/from he CDG or NRT flights, although NRT is seasonal.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9583 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 21):
wifi-equipped aircraft from SLC to IAH.

That's good news, but did they say specifically mainline? DL is adding wifi to the regionals. The last time we had mainline to SLC it was on the MD90. I have avoided DL when heading west from IAH (well I avoid DL anytime I can) because that is a long uncomfortable run on a CR9. The CR7 may be tolerable - but why bother when, if you need to go to SLC, take CO/UA mainline.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9565 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 22):
That's good news, but did they say specifically mainline? DL is adding wifi to the regionals

It didn't specify, but i didnt know the CR7's 9's are getting wifi either.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 22):
The last time we had mainline to SLC it was on the MD90.

That was the last time I took DL from IAH, heading to SLC on a 733 and back on a -90.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 22):
I have avoided DL when heading west from IAH (well I avoid DL anytime I can) because that is a long uncomfortable run on a CR9.

CO sends ERJ's too, yuck!

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 22):
if you need to go to SLC, take CO/UA mainline.

ehh, I'd rather backtrack and cnx through ATL.



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User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9434 times:

Good for us then. We operate out of every single terminal at IAH.

With the exception of a handful of gates and I DO MEAN a handful at A, it's all UA/CO at IAH. When WN vacated IAH we filled in that vaccum quick.

Not much room for anyone else unless they upgrade equipment. Terminal D seems to add new foreign carriers or they add flights.


25 WesternA318 : Is D close to being maxed out? Are there any plans to add more pax service from foreign airlines?
26 Drerx7 : Its maxed out from that 1p-7p window for the most part. The rumor is that EK had approached HAS about the 380 - which would have to be '12 and on del
27 WesternA318 : Awesome on the 748...I cant wait to see her in IAH and fly on her (just once on LH). So, if D is maxed out, does HAS have any plan on expanding the t
28 Drerx7 : Last I heard - yes. But that is gonna be a while, they recently did some construction at D that was new ac equip related/A380 preparation (take that
29 WesternA318 : Oh man, that would be a great thing to see, I hope it comes to fruition! I would gladly add another $3 tax to my IAH departures just to get it somewh
30 upcfordcruiser : Arik was supposed to start their IAH service with the A345 they purchased, but apparently decided to use it on other routes. IAH was also supposed to
31 Drerx7 : Arik would be LOS-IAH. The rumor was it was going to route LOS-JFK-IAH-LOS with the 345 (a.net correct me if I am wrong) I think CAI has been pushed
32 WesternA318 : Hmm, I dunno about that one. My money is on IAH.
33 NW : This is only about the CR9 getting WIFI, there are no plans to add mainline on SLC/IAH anytime soon. United wants Delta's gates on the north side, th
34 bpat777 : Actually there will be one 733, 2 319's and a 320 on the IAH-PHX flights in the fall.
35 Drerx7 : This makes sense from UA's perspective because of the existing Colgan ops on north concourse as well as the proximity to the TerminaLink station. Its
36 NW : That is the idea Delta came up with.
37 Drerx7 : That's interesting...was UA receptive to this?
38 CODC10 : I would assume so. This would be the only space in D that CO/COEX uses anymore, besides remote hardstand positions for RONs.
39 Drerx7 : How many gates does DL use on the north concourse...I want to say 4 (A10,12, 14, and 15) and AS uses A11 - don't know about the rest of the day though
40 wn676 : By the end of the year, probably all Airbus.
41 kgaiflyer : Interesting idea. Aside from simple territoriality, why would UA oppose such a solution?
42 ScottB : DL used to use A11 a fair bit as well; the morning departure to CVG was almost always out of A11. But that was also before they merged with NWA and g
43 CODCAIAH : From the Chron article: Huh? The HAS is using the World Cup as a reason to move forward on this renovation?! There are great reasons to renovate Termi
44 WesternA318 : It was in May of 2005. Unless you're a big and "slightly" obese guy like myself, then ANY CRJ is painful. Hey, ANY reason is good to me. Also, the Ch
45 Drerx7 : That's what I'm saying - I don't know how DL would manage D1-D3...unless they plan on moving more flights to HOU in addition to CVG and JFK..which I
46 BCEaglesCO757 : Good luck on Delta getting D1-D3. We've been running COEX flights out of there since before the merger. If anything I doubt we'd concede those gates.
47 Drerx7 : That new terminal is B...its going to look more like a massive E once all is said and done.
48 WesternA318 : And whats more is United keeps adding new flights regularly!!!
49 United1 : So what is B supposed to look like when it is done? Any artist renderings or layouts? Number of gates?
50 Post contains images Drerx7 : The south concourse will not have jetways either...not so sure how I feel about that one...The entire project is supposed to last over 10 years. The s
51 COflyerBOS : Wow. Didn't realize they were going to ditch the jetways on the Southside of B. That's a p.r. nightmare waiting to happen. Imagine today's weather wit
52 Pbb152 : I noticed that on some of the renderings as well. That is just strange.
53 Drerx7 : Well, on one hand other airports hardstand their regional ops...in fact frequent UA fliers will be use to it as DEN and ORD have similar setups. On t
54 Post contains images kgaiflyer : No it's not. The present gate B-84 configuration features a trip down an escalator into a huge, hanger-sized, air-conditioned holding room with *no*
55 Drerx7 : Yeah...this is the dirt under the rug of IAH...I can't wait till that is demolished.
56 Post contains images WesternA318 : Ugh, I've taken flights to CRP, AUS, and elsewhere from there, and third-world is sugarcoating it. It's the only place on the airport grounds I HATE.
57 kgaiflyer : I'm wrong. Gate B-84 appears to be further subdivided into **19** lesser gates lettered A through S.
58 slider : Correction: Q400s are on the north side primarily, A1, A2 and A7, with A8. They spill south to A 25 and A26 if needed, but they are primarily north a
59 IAHFLYR : And with the excellent design of Terminal E it looks like the new B will have the same problem, drop two airplanes in the alley and you're dead in th
60 ScottB : Again, read what I said: the CR9 is great for Delta Medallion passengers because 16% of the aircraft is First Class seating. The A319, MD-88 & 73
61 itsonlyme : One of the above posters mentioned an entirely new terminal. There appears to be a fair bit of land at IAH, specifically north of the current terminal
62 IAHFLYR : At one time HAS was considering a Runway 8C/26C that would be primarily a departure runway equal distance between both north runways which are 5,000'
63 ScottB : I don't believe there is any plan for expansion in that area within the time horizon of the IAH master plan, although the taxiways to the northernmos
64 CuriousFlyer : Shall we expect any improvement to Pappardeaux? Their oyster platter sucks, chewy rubbery sickly things. Their Texan white wine is good on the other h
65 WesternA318 : Although several of my employees are close to reaching Medallion status, they're not there quiet yet, so they're stuck in the back for now, they cant
66 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Sacrilege !!!! Quiet down before generations of Houstonians and New Orleanians come after you with guns, rope, and fiery torches.
67 Post contains images WesternA318 : Not to go too far off topic but..."smashes the beer bottle on the end of the bar* I'm ready!
68 DCA-ROCguy : The proposed B southside gates look a lot like the awful IAD ground-level A gates built for UAX and used by Independence Air during its brief run. Ex
69 kgaiflyer : Aside from the A ground-level experience at IAD, Salt Lake City has a huge area in the same design (ground-level holdroom with walkways) for Delta's
70 Post contains images WesternA318 : For some odd reason though, the SLC Dept. of Airports and SkyWest have turned that into a decent little operation. Instead of feeling cramped or crow
71 Post contains images Drerx7 : Too Late...I'm polishing off the peacemaker. I agree. In function maybe, but it will be architectural at least and not look like something that you c
72 kgaiflyer : Well . . . like at DEN, the RJ positons in SLC are semi-permanent with walk-up ramps that stay in place at each gate and there are definable places w
73 NW : The proposal was D1-D4/D4a, so 4/5 gates; Alaska comes along too. If this was to happen, Delta would also take over ground operations for KL, AF and
74 ScottB : It's an interesting proposal, but the walk from the D security checkpoint to D1 is a VERY long way. And does Terminal D even have baggage carousels o
75 Drerx7 : I know D use to have them. I wouldn't say the security is prohibitively long though. If it all came to fruition...CO/UA would control damn near every
76 Post contains links Drerx7 : This should clarify some things... http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7692361.html -The total project is $1 Billion. The City of Houston
77 CuriousFlyer : I hit a touchy topic! Well I am sure they can find better oysters and improve the experience. I do not know a better place in IAH, but I think it des
78 kgaiflyer : The thing is, a good part of the population of gulf 'blue points' (oysters) was wiped out by the Deepwater Horizon disaster in 2010. Gulf shoals were
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