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First American Carrier With 787?  
User currently offlineEASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 507 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15130 times:

Hello all! Please don't trash me for this 'cause if I knew I won't ask.   Who is the first american airline to get the plane and why didn't any of them get on the band wagon sooner? I know the plane can fly far, but at what point do passengers want to sit on a plane for 15-20 hours? Again, please don't beat me up....but we are not talking an aircraft going from wood to metal, or props to jets, or even to supersonic-what is the big deal? Thanks

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User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15136 times:

I believe the first US airline to receive the 787 is United, but correct me if I am wrong. I believe it was inherited from Continentals order.

Jordan  



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15108 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 1):

It's definitely going to be United. I think they are slated for 6 frames in 2012, god willing.



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User currently onlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14955 times:

Is AI going to take up all of their orders? Was there some talk on DL picking up these if AI did not?

User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14915 times:

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 3):
Is AI going to take up all of their orders? Was there some talk on DL picking up these if AI did not?

I think DL decided they wanted nothing to do with early 787s, which may end up being wise.

That being said, I am listing myself on the very first 787 service on United that I can.

I wonder if contractual obligations commit the 787 flying to CO pilots only, or if they will be able to put United crews onboard.

NS


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30388 posts, RR: 84
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14900 times:
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United Airlines will be the first United States carrier to operate the 787 and I believe their first airframe is under assembly at PAE.

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 3):
Is AI going to take up all of their orders? Was there some talk on DL picking up these if AI did not?

DL has deferred the orders placed by NW into the far future. AI's first airframe has already had her initial flight (even if it was aborted soon in) so I would expect they are taking delivery.


User currently offlinetpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14789 times:

It will say United on it but it will be strictly a CO bird for sometime, based in IAH and EWR with CO pilots and F/A.

User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14789 times:

Yes, thanks to the merger with Continental, United will be the first. It is too bad that we never got a chance to see a 787 in NWA livery.  
Quoting EASTERN747 (Thread starter):
Hello all! Please don't trash me for this 'cause if I knew I won't ask.

I can not trash anybody with a great user name like yours.    


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7558 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14600 times:

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 6):
but it will be strictly a CO bird for sometime, based in IAH and EWR with CO pilots and F/A

And will fly to AKL!!! Yay!

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 7):
It is too bad that we never got a chance to see a 787 in NWA livery.  

I know. It would have been awesome.



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User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14503 times:

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 3):
Is AI going to take up all of their orders? Was there some talk on DL picking up these if AI did not?

I don't know if they are taking all, but they are betting their future on that a/c. Apparently the 777 is costing too much to run, and A330's were all sold out for them to use in the interim. Not to mention that their competition Jet Airways is moving ahead.

So it seems like they will take all they can use.


GUYAIR707


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16793 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14487 times:

CO did order it early, so early it wasn't the 787 yet. It was the 7E7.


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User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 515 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14456 times:
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So how does the US carrier 787 orders stand right now? How many for UA and how many for DL?
I understand they are both previous orders from CO and NW.


User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14413 times:

Quoting aacun (Reply 11):
So how does the US carrier 787 orders stand right now?

Well according to wiki,

Continental have 11 787-8 aircraft on order and 14 787-9 aircraft on order.

United have 25 787-8 aircraft on order with an option for 50 more.

So United has 36 787-8 and 14 787-9 aircraft on order.

And Delta have 18 787-8 aircraft on order, although I believe there were rumors they may change these to 787-9's?


Jordan  



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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13879 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 12):
So United has 36 787-8 and 14 787-9 aircraft on order.



All of which are scheduled for delivery between 2012-2019 in addition to the 75 options that UA holds (50 PMUA and 25 PMCO.)

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 12):
And Delta have 18 787-8 aircraft on order, although I believe there were rumors they may change these to 787-9's?



Scheduled for delivery between 2020-2022 and they hold options for 50 more.



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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13718 times:

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 6):
It will say United on it but it will be strictly a SA)">CO bird for sometime, based in IAH and EWR with SA)">CO pilots and F/A.

I understand the IAH and EWR based 787's under the SA)">CO contract, but any idea what routes they will be on?

Quoting EASTERN747 (Thread starter):
I know the plane can fly far, but at what point do passengers want to sit on a plane for 15-20 hours?

I've already don't 23 hours on a SA 744 ATL-CPT-JNB, I would bet that the same flight on a 788 would much more pleasant.



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User currently offlineULMFlyer From Brazil, joined Sep 2006, 475 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13658 times:

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 14):
I understand the IAH and EWR based 787's under the SA)">CO contract, but any idea what routes they will be on?

I was flying IAH-GIG last week in J and while talking to a frequent F/A on that route, I mentioned that I couldn't wait for the 764s to be upgraded, now that the 757s and 777s all had the lie flats.

He said: "What I can't wait for is the 787." I agreed, but replied that it would take a long time for it to be used on that route. To which he replied to my utter astonishment: "You're wrong, GIG will be the first route to see the 787 out of IAH."

If that's true, it must be all about the oil business.



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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1603 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13451 times:

IAH-AKL will be the first long flight of coursw they will do short trips first like SFO-LAX and IAH-SFO to get the Pilots used to it before IAH-AKL gets going...

2 Test 787's were in GUM for E TOPS Testing...


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13451 times:

It isn't true. They've long ago announced that IAH-AKL is the first route, and reiterated more than once.

NS


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2930 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12415 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 12):
And Delta have 18 787-8 aircraft on order, although I believe there were rumors they may change these to 787-9's?

IIRC, NW also had options for 50 as well. And there is speculation that DL could add some more due to their large 767 fleet (and possibly to replace A330s).



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4313 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12158 times:

Quoting ULMFlyer (Reply 15):

I was flying IAH-GIG last week in J and while talking to a frequent F/A on that route, I mentioned that I couldn't wait for the 764s to be upgraded, now that the 757s and 777s all had the lie flats.

He said: "What I can't wait for is the 787." I agreed, but replied that it would take a long time for it to be used on that route. To which he replied to my utter astonishment: "You're wrong, GIG will be the first route to see the 787 out of IAH."

If that's true, it must be all about the oil business.

Er, he doesn't know.



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User currently offlinerobo65 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11767 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
United Airlines will be the first United States carrier to operate the 787 and I believe their first airframe is under assembly at PAE.

Originally Continental was told that it's first airframe would come out of the new Boeing plant in Charleston SC. However I am not sure if that is still correct as of lately or not. It is scheduled to be delivered in first quarter of 2012. It originally will be flown domestically for pilot training before going international. The first scheduled flight was supposed to be IAH-AKL but that may have changed also do to the delays on deliveries.

Quoting EASTERN747 (Thread starter):
Hello all! Please don't trash me for this 'cause if I knew I won't ask. Who is the first american airline to get the plane and why didn't any of them get on the band wagon sooner?

Answering your question Continental was the first US airline to order the 787 however they elected to take some of the later delivered aircraft most likely because they wanted the issues or kinks so to speak worked out. NW was the second US carrier to order the 787 and chose earlier delivery slots. The NW slots were inherited by the DL merger and they in turn elected to change for later delivery slots. The CO slots which will now be inherited by UA remain the same and they are scheduled to receive 6 787-8's in 2012.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8939 times:

Don't forget, AA also has 42 B-787s (don't remember if they are -8s or -9s) on order and options for another 58. It is still awaiting approval from the APA, something about the pilot pay scale for the B-787. Boeing does not list this AA order as firm.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30388 posts, RR: 84
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6854 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 21):
AA also has 42 B-787s (don't remember if they are -8s or -9s).

They are all 787-9s.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6432 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6738 times:

Quoting ULMFlyer (Reply 15):
route. To which he replied to my utter astonishment: "You're wrong, GIG will be the first route to see the 787 out of IAH."

The FA could be right, But i do not think he has any knowledge about the plans for the 787 than anyone else at UA/CO. If you asked 50 employees of UA/CO you would get 50 different answers


User currently onlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6056 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6615 times:
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Quoting 747400sp (Reply 7):
It is too bad that we never got a chance to see a 787 in NWA livery

I think there were some parts painted in NW so at least we got something.



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25 United1 : There is that ) The only two routes that have been announced as 787 service is IAH-AKL and IAH-LOS however IAH-LOS starts with a 772 and may stay as
26 calpilot : That's strange the company has announced to all of us through employee bulletins that outside of proving runs, and initial domestic training destinat
27 readytotaxi : What difference is offered to an airline between the 787 8's and the 9's? What is the lead time between the two coming into service?
28 simpilot459 : It is not. The sections are arriving/have arrived in Everett and is starting final assembly. The biggest difference is the -9 is longer than the -8.
29 Ned Kelly : Will the UA 787's be delivered as 787-824's as Continental ordered them, or will the be 787-822's? Will the 787 still use the -8xx customer codes as w
30 Post contains links kiwiandrew : While AKL-IAH has been announced, and they have not publicly gone back on that, if I am not mistaken it would require the 787 to have ETOPS 330 appro
31 Stitch : There looks to be a bit of a "no-go" area using GCM with ETOPS-180/207/240. But maybe AA will route closer to Central America or Hawaii at the start.
32 gigneil : Also the 787-9 should come closer to it's range goals than it seems the 787-8 is, at least initially. NS
33 pdpsol : I have asked this question in two other discussion boards, no one appears to know. Also, will all aircraft delivered, even if delivered with separate
34 gigneil : By the time PMUA's planes come up, they will have a standard - the 2 class 767s and 2 class 787s are going to have a common set of seats. If there's g
35 United1 : The 788s, 764s and 2-Class 763s will at least initially have B/E "diamond" seats in J class. Should also be eX3 IFE in J and Y class. I kind of wonde
36 United1 : Probably not...UA is taking delivery of these aircraft between 2012 and 2019 at the rate of 6 or 7 a year. By 2019 I am sure we will see a completely
37 gigneil : I know we've talked about it a million times - but when does the first 763 go in for upgrades? And are they doing all the bins and sidewalls? Certain
38 United1 : Comes out of the shop February of 2012...and no idea on the sidewalls or overheads. IPTE was launched in July of 2007 and even as good of a products
39 VC10er : Sorry but I would love to see ONE 787 in UA shades of blue. It would be stunning to see those 3 blue CLASSIC UA style stripes across the new 787 beaut
40 Ned Kelly : Is anyone able to answer this question about the 787, especially the second question? With probably more posts about the 787 (which is possibly why I
41 TOMMY767 : AA does have 787 orders but they still need to work out the pilot contracts first. I wouldn't be surprised if the A320s arrive on the property ahead
42 STT757 : Considering the 789s first flight is not until 2013, and AA is scheduled to receive their first Airbus in 2013 I think it's all but guaranteed. AA is
43 qf002 : I didn't think that AA's 787s were arriving until at least 2016 anyway? So they should have pretty much all 130 of their A320oeo frames by then and b
44 Post contains links ADent : Boeing doesn't have them listed - see http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...ustomerselection.cfm&pageid=m15524 . According to Boeing AA has 151
45 United1 : They have a tentative order pending an agreement with the pilots union...Boeing probably doesn't list orders until they are firm. It's probably the s
46 Stitch : It's a firm MoU with pre-assigned delivery slots that AA must exercise no later than 18 months prior, though they may decline the slot without penalt
47 einsteinboricua : That's because AA hasn't technically ordered them yet. They have placed commitments/MoU/whatever you wanna call it for said amount of 787s, allowing
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