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ERJ Or CRJ... A Different Kind Of Question  
User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8230 posts, RR: 23
Posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Ok. First off, I do not want anyone's personal opinions. If you just like Canadian better than Brazilian or you just think one is coolor looking X this out now. I only want replies from those who have flown both types. If you want to just type a one-word personal opinion reply see that other topic. Here it goes:

I just got back from DCA. I flew home to CLE on an ERJ... my first ride on a regional jet. In my opinion the ERJ is great. VERY quite, comfortable, good service... I'd say that (sitting in the seat in flight anyway) the ERJ is comparable to a 737. There was equal legroom and it was just as quite... even though I was 3 rows from the engine. My only problem was the head room but it wasnt like I was hunched over and I'm in my seat during the flight anyway so i didnt care. For those of you who have flown both, which do you think is better? Rate them for quietness, comfort, accessability, etc. But please don't just put "CRJs rock!" as a reply, ok? Thanks guys.

-N76


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User currently offlineCrj 900 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 594 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

well for starters he CRJ has a Taller cabin(6ft) on the earlier models 100/200 and the 700/900 they have lowered the floor so there is even more stand up headroom. The earlier CRJ's cabin windows are too low, which has been corrected on the newer models. Kinda like the 1-aisle-2 seating on the jungle jet, but the Crj is just like the dash(2-aisle-2). They are both quiet and give a nice ride. One thing i really like about the jungle jet is that u can order the a/c with built in stairs or not, therefore the a/c is good for jetways. The CRJ can use jetways but only with an adapter as the main cabin door has stairs built in. Guess it's a preference for the operator whether or not they want the a/c equipped or the stations they fly into to provide stairs. All in all both good products.Personally....., well i guess you can figure out which one i like better.

User currently offlinePhxairfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 811 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

I have flown on both, and as for quietness, in the air the EMB-135 for CO (I have not flown the 145) is silent, i was in the last seat on the 1 seat side, and I couldn't tell the engines were running ( I am pretty shure they were). During takeoff the engines accelerated instantly while making a powerful sound, which I personally enjoy. As for comfort, I LOVE the 1 seat. No one sitting next to you, it is wonderful. I put my cary-on in the bin, and i had a miraculous thing, legroom. Also i could stick my legs in the aisle and fully extend them. Accesebility, although the Embraer jet has a short cabin, the aisle is wider. Also, in the Embraer, there is no seat next to the bathroom, the bathroom is at the end of the isle, not opposite passenger seats. The CRJ, does have its advantages, bigger cabin, and overhead bins on both sides. A downpoit to me as an aviation fan, is the fact the CRJ's windows are small, and built for 4 foot tall passengers, my back hurt, trying to look out the window. Overall I prefer the ERJ, but the CRJ is a good plane. I assume the 145 is simillar to the 135 considering one is a streched version of the other, but if not, i'm sorry i cant compare the two.

User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1516 times:

I have not flown on board the ERJ yet, However I have sat on board while the aircraft sat overnite. I have flown on the CRJ. I am 6' 3". I found that I had more legroom and was more comfortable on the ERJ. The CRJ was comfortable, but only short term.

Both are very nice aircraft, but I think my choice would have to be the ERJ.


User currently offlineTullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

When AN was evaluating the CRJ and ERJ for their KD subsidiary they carried out extensive reviews with their major regional customers even to the point of having demo aircraft flown to Australian regional ports and having clients climb all over the plane.

After extensive evaluation they chose the CRJ but admit that the competition was extremely close. In the end one of the major points in favor of the CRJ was the perception of customers that its 2X2 configuration made it seem more of a real plane than the 2X1 of the ERJ which reminded customers of regional props such as the Saab 340.

The jetway abilities of the ERJ was of limited value as typically the CRJ flies to smaller airports that do not operate jetways. When visiting larger airports such as MEL etc, KD use a snake-like device which creeps out to the plane and creates a completely covered way between the plane and the terminal. This device is only used on days when the weather is poor.

I find the CRJ very comfortable but note that KD are consistently advising pax to take care when standing up due to the fairly low cabin height above the seats. I have only ever hit my head once.



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User currently offlineVector From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 214 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

After flying both models...

Air Canada CRJ and a lot of ERJ's (CoEx, Crossair, BMI, Brymon, USAirways and Belgian Air Force)...

I can tell you that I prefer the ERJ much better!!!

Why?

bigger and better positioned windows;
bigger lavatory;
great legroom;
2 - 1 seat configuration (on the single seat you have the axle and window at the same time).

regards

Vector


User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

I prefer the CRJ. It is built like a tank. It is easier to work on. Has much greater range and larger CG envelop, faster(although a much slower climber above 10,000 or so), better reliability, better runway performance, more overhead bins, and much quieter.

The ERJ beats the CRJ in areas assiociated with avionics, I've heard they are more capable, easier use of jet bridges, double edge sword cause it needs ground air stairs at airports that don't have jet bridges, the window placement, horrid on the CRJ, and the climb performance. Above 10,000-12,000 or so the CRJ really begins to lose that battle. I like teh 1x2 seating, especially if you get the side with just the 1 seat. Every where else the CRJ does seem to have the advantage though.

Having talked to crews who have flown and worked on both they all seem to agree that the CRJ is a better aircraft.


User currently offlineVector From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 214 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

I'm too talked to crews who have flown both aircrafts and oppinions seems to be 50/50!



User currently offlineCRJCA From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

I guess from a passenger standpoint the erj is a good airplane. But what about the fadec problems and that horrible stab trim problem? Come on Eagle crews you know what I'm talking about. Everything I've heard from fellow pilots is that the ERJ, while nice, is NOT the airplane the CRJ is, especially performance.

User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1462 times:

CO flies theirs 1000 miles or more. As far as I know, no one is flying the CRJ's that far. CO has also ordered some ER versions of the ERJ...just the thing for IAH-Islip?

User currently offlinePhxairfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 811 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

The new ER's for ERJ have 2000 nm capability, much like the CRJ-200. I sure hope the implement IAH-ISP, I'd rather fly an ERJ on the longer route, than the 737-700, and thats saying alot, because i love the 737-700.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8230 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

COEX flys CLE-DAL with ERJs. Also, the airline doesn't make money from crews.. they make it from passengers. What do they want more? Fun plane for crews or fun comfortable plane for pax? They want the latter. ERJ takes the gold.


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User currently offlineCRJCA From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1458 times:

Well, OK. First off, the crj is flying the long hauls. PHX-DSM, CMH-RSW, and comair flies numerous long legs. It has already been confirmed that mesa will operate crj-200's from CMH to DFW as well. Those are 1000+ hauls with 50 pax, and full fuel. How many pax is the erj taking on these long hauls? Are they 135s? Just wondering. I believe the CRJ is doing just fine in the profitibility market thank you. Ever get a erj up to .85?

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8230 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

.85? CRJs cruise at .77 max usually. Trust me. Although they may be rated to go that fast, the ATC wont let them.


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User currently offlineCRJCA From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1455 times:

Well we were just comparing. Granted, crjs do usually cruise at .77 the ERJ's max is only .78, so where does that put them "usually"? And trust me, N766UA, I've had the CRJ at .80-.85 more times than I can count.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8230 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

You musta been pretty high. If you were in flying with 737s or MD80s you were not going .85. .85 maybe for spacing.


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User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1428 times:

The ERJ is great if you get to sit on the 1-seat side. Otherwise I don't think it's accurate to say that the seats on the ERJ are comperable to those on 737s.

User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

I've jumpseated on numerous Express I and Comair CRJs. Yes they usually cruise in the mid .7s, but if they are late or the last flight of the day I've seen .82 on quite a few occasions. Most crews I've talked to have seen .84 and a few have tried .85.

As for range, from what I've been told the CRJ can do 2500 nm on the newer versions. The ERJ can do some longer ranged runs but it is payload limited, I've seen CoEx bump passengers off on longer ranged flight while I've been on CRJs with every seat filled and myself in the jumpseat and taken off on flights of similar lengths. Not the most comfy way to go, but it'll do it.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8230 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Ok. Smaller airlines need CRJs to fly longe ranges. Example: Comair.. they only have CRJs so they must fly them on longer routes. But what about COEx? They fly mainly shorter routes. If CO wants long range, they fly a big jet.. usually. Comair, ASA, Skywest, ACA, etc. don't have that option. Look at it from the perspective of a major. They need a jet to fly 100-1000 mile flights, not 1500-2000 mile range flights that Comair needs. In the case of a major, which is better?


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User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1399 times:

CRJ all the way. The only problem for me is the low windows, and that isn't major (but from what I have read it is being changed in the new ones).

User currently offlineCRJCA From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1390 times:

Thank you. No one seemed to want to believe that last night. I have seen erj's have to bump people many times where the crj wouldn't. As for my friend 766UA, I think the passenger would rather be a little more uncomfortable and make it then have to get a hotel room for the night. For those of you who didn't hear last night I have had the CRJ-200 at .85 numerous times. And I know ATC sometimes restricts the speed for CRJs the ERJ's max Mach is .78, so you'll see the typical CRJ cruise obove the ERJ's max. Just another two cents. I also like the ERJ I just think the CRJ is a little better. I believe there was an article about this topic in the USAToday.

User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

Not a problem. I know the biggest reason we got the CRJ over the ERJ was range. The ERJ has decent reane but not with payload. The CRJ from what I've been told, with the 200LR, can go just about any where in the US with 50 passengers, I'm sure most wouldn't want to sit in it that long though. While on CoEx out of ISP to CLE we had a pauyload restriction on the 50 seater and I came within a few pounds of being bumped off.

AS for .85, our company wants us to fly them at .74 and we've had crews get in trouble for exceeding that, but I've seen it with my own eyes so I know it can definitely hit the magic .85 if need be.

Talking to crews from Eagle who are in our CRJ program they all say that the CRJ is a much better put toegther plane. Lots of nagging little problems aparently with the jungle jet.

Take it eays and fly safe. How are things going over at Comair by the way? Any word when you'll be going back into Islip, will make my commute much easier. I have to try ASA tomorrow and see how thats works out. Take it easy


User currently offlineDasheighty From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 311 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

I always forget to lower my head and I keep smacking it. My head hits the celing On the CRJ and I feel sort of cramped. The overall ride on the aircraft was nice but I perfer the Bae 146 because it's a little bigger. I dont know about the ERJ I have never been on one. I'm a big guy so I feel sorry for the guy that has to sit next to me on one.

I guess I need to remember to lower my head


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