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Where's This? (UA DC-7)  
User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6750 posts, RR: 7
Posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5632 times:

Not too much to go by, but I guess there aren't that many possibilities... UA probably didn't fly DC-7s in this scheme into that many airports.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590439870/

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User currently offlinebrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5570 times:

SJC perhaps?

filler......................



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2954 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5527 times:

Definitely not SJC. The hills aren't nearly that close to the airport and they are much higher and fairly consistant level of height. Also, UA didn't start serving SJC until 1968 with 727s.

I'd say SFO - looking west into Millbrae and Burlingame before they built the Mills Estate housing development in the early 1960s.


User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6750 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5034 times:

Don't think the hills are right for SFO. It's certainly not looking actual west or northwest; south or SW is a slight possibility.

No idea what BDL looks like, and they did have a DC-7 out of there circa 1958-- but those unwooded hills are unlikely there? Definitely not BOS or any NY airport or DCA or BAL or MDW/ORD?

So how about PDX?


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5022 times:

Could it actually be SAN, since this picture is from the San Diego Air and Space Museum?

NS


User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

I think UA phased out the sevens around 65 but keep the sixs and six B's until 68 or 69...not real sure here.
My guess on the photo is Denver Stapleton around 1955 or 1956...........
N6301C, pictured, was probably their first DC 7.
safe.

[Edited 2011-08-09 11:26:51]


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User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6750 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

I left SAN out since they maybe didn't get UA DC-7s early enough to see one in that scheme. If it's SAN we're looking... NE?

Which way would we be looking at DEN?

We ought to be able to figure this one out

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590439668

[Edited 2011-08-09 11:43:24]

User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1570 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 4):

Sometimes the simplest explanation is best. I'm going with SAN as the image is listed as being from the San Diego Air and Space Museum.


User currently offlinedenverdanny From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4842 times:

Not Stapleton/Denver. Those hills are too close and you'd be able to see real mountains behind them, not to mention the city between the airport and the hills. I would have said San Fran.

[Edited 2011-08-09 12:04:03]

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

Absolutely not Denver Stapleton. The only hills visible from there are the front range of the Rockies, farther away, steeper, higher and rockier than the hills shown here.

California almost for certain but Oregon might be a possibility.

KSAN Lindbergh Field? The only hills visible from the ground at SAN are Point Loma or the hills east of Pacific Coast Highway - Mission Hills to Old Town. The latter is excluded because this plane would have to have been parked down at the southwest end of the airport, about where the present terminal is, looking north-northeast. The Convair factory with its distinctive sawtooth roof line should be visible.

That leaves Point Loma. The distance and height are about consistent with a view looking west from the old terminal ramp - where Jimsair is now. I just don't ever remember it not having any houses on it like that.



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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

Not SAN either. You would been able to see the Convair plant next to the terminal in the late 1950's. The runway/taxiways were all concrete. These look asphalt. SLC was like that. Is that a possibility?

Below is a photo of SAN in the late 1950's and what you would see looking north. Pretty much a large Convair plant.


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Photo © Mel Lawrence




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User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6750 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 10):
SLC was like that. Is that a possibility?

Suspect the hills are wrong for SLC.


User currently onlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4703 times:

Quoting rdh3e (Reply 7):
Sometimes the simplest explanation is best. I'm going with SAN as the image is listed as being from the San Diego Air and Space Museum.

That whole Flickr album is from the San Diego Air & Space Museum, and there are other photos in the album that are most definitely not from San Diego.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 10):
what you would see looking north

Not exactly. This photo is taken looking just south of west. The building on the far right is the very south end of the Convair factory. The building next to it is seen in hundreds of photos taken at the east end of SAN or the Jimsair ramp. The hills you can see in the distance in the DC-3 photo are actually Point Loma, looking across the northwest end of San Diego Bay. The hangar in the distance was probably the one at Lockheed Air Terminal, down between what was later the PSA hangar and the fuel farm.

This is not excluded, in my mind, as the location and POV of the photo in question.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4687 times:

Looks a bit like Palos Verdes from the Douglas ramp at LGB but the hills seem to close and too long to be Signal Hill.


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User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6750 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

http://historicaerials.com has a 1953 pic of Point Loma-- doesn't look empty enough to be the ridge in the DC-7 pic.

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8162 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

Am I seeing things or is there a body of water between the airport and those hills? Looks like a marsh almost.

User currently offlinepanpan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

I see a marsh too. I think it's SFO. which is built on fill over a marsh. The hills look about right to me.

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4522 times:

OAK, Oakland CA maybe? Runway 11/29 was built in the late 50s. Maybe looking east from out there somewhere?


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5335 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 10):
Not SAN either.

   Definitely NOT Lindbergh Field but it sure does look like somewhere in California...

bb


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5335 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4433 times:

Just another quick thought: since it is a "7" and in this livery, can we eliminate any and all of the other California airports between LA and SF, such as SBA, BFL, SMX, MOD, FAT, SCK, etc., that UAL served back in the 50s? Did they only see 6s and CVRs?

bb


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4421 times:
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Quoting SlamClick (Reply 18):
Oakland CA

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.

There are certainly hills east of the city (with some choice real estate   )


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2954 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

As you look to the left in the photo, the ridge line gets lower. I'm trying to picture if the hills west and southwest of SFO do that. That would into the Burlingame and Hillsborough area. That might shoot down my SFO theory. The hills were that bare in that location. The area south of Millbrae Ave. in Millbrae and Burlingame was developed in around 1960-1964 in the massive Mills Estate development.

Same question for OAK. Where the hills that un-built on at that date? Does the ridge line drop like that, say around where the Caldacott Tunnel is?


User currently offlineN707PA From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

I don't see any United logos on the ground equipment...

[Edited 2011-08-09 15:22:16]

User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6750 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4348 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 20):
can we eliminate any and all of the other California airports between LA and SF, such as SBA, BFL, SMX, MOD, FAT, SCK,

None of them ever had scheduled DC-7s. OAK may have had one or two in the 1960s, but this isn't OAK and presumably it's not the 1960s. (FWIW OAK's new terminal and runway both opened 1962.)

Nobody knows what PDX looks like? No way it's SEA?

A remote possibility: a flight at SFO to/from HNL, over at the old Pan Am (?) terminal. Dunno if UA flew DC-7s SFO-HNL before the new terminal opened 8/54.

[Edited 2011-08-09 15:35:01]

25 Post contains links airbazar : Yeah, and if you look close enough, you can see houses lined up all along the shore. I'm going to say it's BOS. Look at this other, more recent pictu
26 Post contains links and images PacNWjet : The hills in the background look way too denuded to be Portland, even in the summer. Check out this shot from the a.net database taken in August at P
27 BoeingGuy : Correct. The Kent east hills are much father away, and on the other side of a valley, and not in that pattern. It's not SEA. I'm still wondering abou
28 timz : Offhand guess: UA ended scheduled DC-7s around 1963-64. Question is, how late were any of them in this scheme.
29 Post contains links Highflier92660 : I'm going to guess the photo was taken at the UAL maintenance facility at SFO around 1954. I have a video of the United Airlines DC-6 & Stratocrui
30 Post contains links Coronado990 : I am now pretty sure it is SFO by looking at the Historical Aerial site for 1956. Hopefully the below entry works. The aircraft is not at the termianl
31 timz : The two little checkerboard sheds-- yeah, looks like you found them. So they're not at any terminal, just out in the middle of the pavement. Wonder wh
32 Coronado990 : I was wondering that too. A cherry-picker perhaps? What I want to know is what plane that is in the circle. Now I'm thinking it looks too small for a
33 kgaiflyer : Could be a Beech King Air. It is California. They could be filming at this airport -- an episode of "Sky King" perhaps?
34 Viscount724 : Could the photo have been taken at the Douglas assembly plant at Santa Monica before delivery? It's probably a Douglas PR photo, especially since the
35 canoecarrier : Probably a Beech 18 or a Lockheed Electra. A little early to be a King Air and they don't have a twin tail. Here's another vote for it not being SEA.
36 BoeingGuy : It's not a vote. I live here and I can tell you definitely that it's not SEA. That's not the geography that you would see from SEA or BFI. Okay, so I
37 kgaiflyer : I'll have to plead ignorance. Where was the Douglas plant?
38 timz : Offhand guess: the hills in the pic are too small to be looking north at SMO and too big to be looking any other direction. I'd say odds are 90%+ the
39 canoecarrier : I live here too, but the hills in the Mt. Baker neighborhood wouldn't rule it out immediately, because I-5 hadn't been built yet through Seattle. Loo
40 kgaiflyer : According to vintage photos sent to me back-channel, the Douglas plant surrounded SMO with metropolitan Santa Monica on all four sides. The distance
41 swabrian : I don't think it's OAK. The runway runs across the upper middle of the frame, so that places the hills in the wrong spot. If you were standing at this
42 BoeingGuy : Actually, Hughes Airwest and it's predecessors flew DC-9s and F-27s into BFI until moving to SEA about 1970 or 1971. Beer sounds good sometime. Among
43 Coronado990 : It's sitting at the UA MX base at SFO looking south as discribed in reply 30.
44 milesrich : It's not in Denver, there are no hills within 15 or more miles of that airport. To the east, north, and south it is flat, and the East Side of Denver
45 timz : If you look at the 1956 aerial that Coronado990 linked in reply 30 you'll see those two little sheds in the middle distance in the mystery pic; they'
46 isitsafenow : The paint scheme looks like a Revell model of DC 7 I had a few decades ago and I think was 98 cents at the store. The photo came from San Diego Air an
47 Coronado990 : I've been spotting at SAN since 1962 and this is not SAN. Other posters have confirmed this such as SANFan. UAL did serve SNS (Salinas) at least up u
48 milesrich :
49 BoeingGuy : According to Wiki it was until 1962, with a Convair. I didn't know that either. Interesting.
50 milesrich : The They had one flight a day in each direction that served Salinas. I have a January 1962 OAG that shows the flight still operating but the 1963 UA T
51 isitsafenow : I have scheds back into the 50's and will look into them when I get home. I'll clear up what airport and when. safe
52 SlamClick : I do believe it was - with DC-3 many years earlier, but certainly not with -7s. This is almost certainly NOT in the middle of some revenue flying for
53 Post contains links timz : UA flew to Monterey and Salinas, and to Santa Barbara-- nothing in between. Coronado990 99% settled the matter in Post 30-- it's SFO. Pretty sure the
54 Post contains links LoneStarMike : FWIW, I found another photo of this aircraft on someone's flickr account. Go here then scroll down to the sixth photo and you can zoom in. I noticed t
55 isitsafenow : According to a United map and sched in their Dec 1st 1958 sched between LAX and SFO, United flew into Monterey-Carmel,Salinas,Merced, Modesto and Stoc
56 Viscount724 : There are thousands of photos from the same source and very few were taken at SAN.
57 Post contains images SANFan : The SanDiego Air and Space Museum (in Balboa Park) is a great place with a very good collection, and is generally ranked as one of the major ones in
58 maxpower1954 : Actually, Sky King's first airplane was not a Twin Beech, but a Cessna Bobcat, better known as the "Bamboo Bomber". It had a single tail, not twin.
59 Post contains images isitsafenow : Right you are! Songbird and Songbird ll. Sky (Skylar King), Clipper and Penny just referred to both planes as Songbird. safe, your 50's-60's trivia e
60 Tomassjc : The bare area on the hill above the aircraft nose now says "South San Francisco. The Industrial City"
61 SlamClick : The sign on that hill was overgrown with weeds the first time I ever saw it - in 1958. I'm guessing it has been there since long before this airplane
62 Coronado990 : The photo is looking south towards the San Andreas Lake area which lays in the gap up in the hills.
63 Post contains images Tomassjc : I never knew it by that name...I always thoughts it was Crystal Springs Reservior! And now that I study the photo more, it seems that it is looking t
64 timz : The camera is pointed maybe 60-70 degrees left of the SSF sign-- pretty much southwest.
65 BoeingGuy : Yes. Looking towards Millbrae, Burlingame and Hillsborough.
66 SlamClick : Yep, I think I'm going to agree with that. I had downloaded the picture and opened it in Photoshop. It is a low-res image, which is unfortunate. I ca
67 milesrich : Timz, you are correct. United had two routes with intermediate stops between LAX and SFO. One via MRY, SLS, and SBA; and one that was SFO-OAK-SCK-MOD
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