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Charter Airlines Availability In The US/Canada  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1985 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5355 times:

I was doing something related with the travel of a big group and I get the feeling that there are very few charter airlines available in USA / Canada, at least compared with the European market. Is this a correct perception or am I missing something ?? Maybe the travelling groups of this countries just lease aircraft from legacy carriers instead of charter airlines or are there more causes for this ??

Thanks in advance.

Rgds.
G.


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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

Here in Canada you can charter a 737 ad hoc anyway from Air North, Canadian North, Nolinor, Flair Air, Enerjet & Canjet to start with. Even AC will lend you one, including several A320's & an A319 in all biz config from their Jetz division.

its true there not much spare widebody capacity in Canada - TS may be an option.



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User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5249 times:

I'm not sure that many "legacy carriers" charter aircraft in any significant numbers these days. I know AirTran, Allegiant and Sun Country do, because I've flown on their charters before (sports team flights). Delta does as well, through their Delta Private Jets subsidiary - perhaps they do mainline a/c charters as well?

Charter airlines I know of in the US/Canada are:

United States
USA Jet (flown with them twice before...found them to be the most enjoyable of the charter airlines I've been on, but their pilots fly like carrier jocks)
Ameristar (also a cargo operator)
Miami Air
National Airlines
Xtra Airways
Omni Air International
Ryan International
World Airways
North American Airlines

Canada
Sunwing Airlines
CanJet
Air Canada Jetz
Air Transat


User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

Quoting N202PA (Reply 2):
Omni Air International
Ryan International
World Airways
North American Airlines

The US Military use these airline in great numbers.


User currently offlineN801DM From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 103 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5180 times:

Swift Air is also available in the US we have the following aircraft in our fleet:

3 B734 with 68 first class
1 B762 with 235 all coach class
1 B762 with 102 all first class seats (MLW Air)


Fly safe,

N801DM


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

The US/Canada market is very different from Europe and their range of charter airlines for leisure travel will not work in North America.

Most European charter airlines focus on leisure routes not served by traditional 'full service' or 'LCC' airlines.

In the US, most of those routes are served by those carriers.

Also, all US legacy carriers offer charter service at very competitive rates.

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Maybe the travelling groups of this countries just lease aircraft from legacy carriers instead of charter airlines

Southwest Airlines does a nice charter business, as do American, Delta, US Airways, United, jetBlue, etc. Carriers with smaller aircraft like Skywest, Horizon, Republic Airways, etc - all offer charters.

Most charter service in the US is focused on sports teams - largely college. For major events like the Super Bowl, or World Series, US carriers do not organize charters for fans, but rather the legacy carriers simply add frequency to meet the anticipated demand.

Some airlines have tried to operated in North America in the European model, and all have failed.

[Edited 2011-08-12 05:29:05]

User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

Every major us carrier does charter flights, however, your group must be pretty large in order to have its own aircraft and its extremely expensive.

Often times you need to speak with a rep regarding group travel, here is some information regarding Delta's group travel.

http://www.delta.com/planning_reserv...uest_form/index.jsp?formType=group



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User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 5):
Southwest Airlines does a nice charter business, as do American, Delta, US Airways, United, jetBlue, etc.
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 5):
Most charter service in the US is focused on sports teams - largely college.

That's interesting. I'm with a college athletics department, and when we go on travel it's never with any of those carriers. Usually we use Miami Air for football and men's basketball charters, and basically whoever is available for other sports - AirTran, Sun Country, Allegiant, USA Jet, Ameristar, USA3000, etc. The non-football/men's basketball sports travel usually goes through an NCAA-approved travel agent who sets up the charter with whatever company is available that can deliver the right-sized aircraft at the desired time for the cheapest rate.


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 6):
Every major us carrier does charter flights, however, your group must be pretty large in order to have its own aircraft and its extremely expensive.

That was the reason for my search of other options...

Quoting N202PA (Reply 7):
Usually we use Miami Air

But they don't have widebodies... or am I wrong ? In any case I spoted their 737 in SCL a couple of times, but I don't know about the capacity/config they have.

Rgds.

G.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4661 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 8):
but I don't know about the capacity/config they have.
http://www.miamiair.com/fleet.html


User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1628 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

Westjet also does charters:

1-888-937-8538



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User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4594 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 8):
But they don't have widebodies... or am I wrong ? In any case I spoted their 737 in SCL a couple of times, but I don't know about the capacity/config they have.

No, Miami Air only has 737s. Very few charter-only airlines in the US fly passenger widebodies - usually, there is not enough demand for that kind of lift from groups who demand charter flights.


User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5150 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4585 times:

Quoting N202PA (Reply 11):
Very few charter-only airlines in the US fly passenger widebodies

Ryan
North American
World
Omni

That's enough. How many 767s, DC10s and MD11s really would be needed for group charters?


User currently offlinen9801f From Samoa, joined Apr 2004, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Is this a correct perception or am I missing something ??

Yes, you are correct.

Until about the 1970's, there were many charter airlines in the U.S. These carriers provided a lower-cost alternative to the major, scheduled carriers.

However after airline deregulation, the scheduled carriers figured out how to sell their "left over" seats (marginal capacity) for a low price, and this (plus chronic over-capacity) helped eliminate the role that charter airlines used to fill.

It's my observation that in many parts of the world, charter airlines provide a low-cost alternative when there's some structural reason that other carriers cannot. In the U.S., economic regulation of airlines was such a structural reason - and deregulation of routes and fares meant the main carriers could invade the space of the low-fare airlines.

In Europe, however, even after deregulation, the former national carriers have plenty of business traffic to keep them busy at crowded "prime" airports like Heathrow, so airlines like British Airways mostly don't bother to compete with charter airlines like Monarch.

It's my view that, in general, as soon as whatever "structural" issue that limits the scheduled airlines from competing with charters is removed or eased (economic regulation in the US, often slots in Europe), the scheduled airlines move in and start eating away at the charter carriers' traffic, sometimes to the point that the charter carriers (sadly) aren't "necessary" any more.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 8):
That was the reason for my search of other options...

How large is your group and what exactly are you looking for? North American Airlines does charters on 757 and 767 aircraft.



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User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Quoting N202PA (Reply 2):
Canada
Sunwing Airlines
CanJet
Air Canada Jetz
Air Transat

Jazz Aviation also offers charter services (w/ DH1/3 or CRJ aircraft)!

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 6):
Every major us carrier does charter flights, however, your group must be pretty large in order to have its own aircraft and its extremely expensive.

Any airline wouldn't care whether it is a big or small group the aircraft is being chartered for, so long as the customer is paying a high enough price!



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 928 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

you left out to carriers from the USA list: Falcon Air Express and Vision Airlines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_Air_Express

http://www.visionairlines.com/index.html

Vision has some 767 wide bodies on their fleet with 737s and Dornier aircraft. Falcon just has three MD-83s and they get most of their business working with ICE flying charters around the country and to south america. But they are fully capable of running vacation charters as well.



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User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5150 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Then there are these guys, Capital Airways, American charter carrier that does a lot of work for ICE, according to what's out there on the internet. :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoXMcehrYo

http://www.flickr.com/photos/msvideopro/3264324474/

new paint: http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/493880.html

http://tx.findacase.com/research/wfr...X/2010/20100408_0000499.STX.htm/qx

Wonder whether it has an updated FMS now. Interesting back and forth in the comments to the old-livery photo.

[Edited 2011-08-13 13:33:30]

User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 14):
How large is your group and what exactly are you looking for? North American Airlines does charters on 757 and 767 aircraft.

It was between 250 and 300... I said WAS because now the funds for the entire group are not available anymore, so I guess they will postpone this until December or maybe next year.
In any case I want to thank you and the other posters all the help you gave me... at least now I know more about the Charter airlines over there.

Rgds.

G.



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