Gonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1841 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4918 times:
I was doing something related with the travel of a big group and I get the feeling that there are very few charter airlines available in USA / Canada, at least compared with the European market. Is this a correct perception or am I missing something ?? Maybe the travelling groups of this countries just lease aircraft from legacy carriers instead of charter airlines or are there more causes for this ??
YVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2245 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4836 times:
Here in Canada you can charter a 737 ad hoc anyway from Air North, Canadian North, Nolinor, Flair Air, Enerjet & Canjet to start with. Even AC will lend you one, including several A320's & an A319 in all biz config from their Jetz division.
its true there not much spare widebody capacity in Canada - TS may be an option.
N202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1551 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4812 times:
I'm not sure that many "legacy carriers" charter aircraft in any significant numbers these days. I know AirTran, Allegiant and Sun Country do, because I've flown on their charters before (sports team flights). Delta does as well, through their Delta Private Jets subsidiary - perhaps they do mainline a/c charters as well?
Charter airlines I know of in the US/Canada are:
USA Jet (flown with them twice before...found them to be the most enjoyable of the charter airlines I've been on, but their pilots fly like carrier jocks)
Ameristar (also a cargo operator)
Omni Air International
North American Airlines
Air Canada Jetz
rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6846 posts, RR: 29 Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 4510 times:
The US/Canada market is very different from Europe and their range of charter airlines for leisure travel will not work in North America.
Most European charter airlines focus on leisure routes not served by traditional 'full service' or 'LCC' airlines.
In the US, most of those routes are served by those carriers.
Also, all US legacy carriers offer charter service at very competitive rates.
Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter): Maybe the travelling groups of this countries just lease aircraft from legacy carriers instead of charter airlines
Southwest Airlines does a nice charter business, as do American, Delta, US Airways, United, jetBlue, etc. Carriers with smaller aircraft like Skywest, Horizon, Republic Airways, etc - all offer charters.
Most charter service in the US is focused on sports teams - largely college. For major events like the Super Bowl, or World Series, US carriers do not organize charters for fans, but rather the legacy carriers simply add frequency to meet the anticipated demand.
Some airlines have tried to operated in North America in the European model, and all have failed.
N202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1551 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 4406 times:
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 5): Southwest Airlines does a nice charter business, as do American, Delta, US Airways, United, jetBlue, etc.
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 5): Most charter service in the US is focused on sports teams - largely college.
That's interesting. I'm with a college athletics department, and when we go on travel it's never with any of those carriers. Usually we use Miami Air for football and men's basketball charters, and basically whoever is available for other sports - AirTran, Sun Country, Allegiant, USA Jet, Ameristar, USA3000, etc. The non-football/men's basketball sports travel usually goes through an NCAA-approved travel agent who sets up the charter with whatever company is available that can deliver the right-sized aircraft at the desired time for the cheapest rate.
Until about the 1970's, there were many charter airlines in the U.S. These carriers provided a lower-cost alternative to the major, scheduled carriers.
However after airline deregulation, the scheduled carriers figured out how to sell their "left over" seats (marginal capacity) for a low price, and this (plus chronic over-capacity) helped eliminate the role that charter airlines used to fill.
It's my observation that in many parts of the world, charter airlines provide a low-cost alternative when there's some structural reason that other carriers cannot. In the U.S., economic regulation of airlines was such a structural reason - and deregulation of routes and fares meant the main carriers could invade the space of the low-fare airlines.
In Europe, however, even after deregulation, the former national carriers have plenty of business traffic to keep them busy at crowded "prime" airports like Heathrow, so airlines like British Airways mostly don't bother to compete with charter airlines like Monarch.
It's my view that, in general, as soon as whatever "structural" issue that limits the scheduled airlines from competing with charters is removed or eased (economic regulation in the US, often slots in Europe), the scheduled airlines move in and start eating away at the charter carriers' traffic, sometimes to the point that the charter carriers (sadly) aren't "necessary" any more.
Vision has some 767 wide bodies on their fleet with 737s and Dornier aircraft. Falcon just has three MD-83s and they get most of their business working with ICE flying charters around the country and to south america. But they are fully capable of running vacation charters as well.
Gonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1841 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2603 times:
Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 14): How large is your group and what exactly are you looking for? North American Airlines does charters on 757 and 767 aircraft.
It was between 250 and 300... I said WAS because now the funds for the entire group are not available anymore, so I guess they will postpone this until December or maybe next year.
In any case I want to thank you and the other posters all the help you gave me... at least now I know more about the Charter airlines over there.