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UA New 3 Class Configuration From EWR  
User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2863 posts, RR: 10
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8542 times:
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It seems like the next few years I may be doing NYC to NRT often. As a United slave, are big routes like this going to be served with ex UA metal in 3 class configuration? And what routes besides Zruich and Brussels (I think) will be getting 3 class UA ac? I will be buying very expensive C class tickets or when I do go UA to Tokyo my Corp travel will purchase me F sometimes- other times: yes systemwides. While the CO BF (diamond seat- is that it's nickname?) is "ok" it really is cramped for 12/13 hours. And I have a real phobia about "what" may be sitting next to me   until they arrive and they are fairly normal!
Have there been any more announcements? What does an ANA business long haul seat look like? How is it? Comfortable? Is it similar to the new LX? I've seen the pics of the 787 short haul cradle. And I like ANA. But you can't make it to GS unless you're on United metal.
But I'm bursting with curiosity on 3 class routes from EWR!!!

Anything out there yet? Even a "friend of a friend who knows someone at United" rumors would help me! More so you opinions?


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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8076 times:
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I don't think they've made that kind of announcement yet. I think however you can bet the farm on UA running four classes (First, Biz, Econ Plus, Econ) of service from EWR to premium markets once they sort out their single operating certificate (SOC).

EWR serves one of the best markets in the U.S. for premium travel and given the slot constraints at EWR, UA will seek to leverage their slots with the right aircraft and the right mix of premium seats.

The other issue to consider is how well the Japanese economy is doing. Airlines have cut back service to NRT and delayed service to HND due to the economic effects of the earthquake/tsunami. If Japan's economy is still very weak, UA might consider sending those premium heavy aircraft from EWR to such places as HKG and other China destinations.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20375 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7951 times:

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
But you can't make it to GS unless you're on United metal.

Don't flights on joint venture routes count towards GS? (Honest question, I don't really know.)

Meanwhile, the new staggered J-class seat on the ANA 77W flying between Kennedy and Narita doesn't look too shabby:

http://www.ana.co.jp/int/svc/w_en/seat/index_c.html



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User currently offlinedaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7488 times:

No, only flights on UA count towards GS. Even flights on LH don't count, even though they have the JV A++ across the atlantic. No one knows what future cross fleeting will occur between PMCO and PMUA. VC10er, you have a few options:
1. Fly on UA metal out of IAD/ORD/SFO to guarantee 3-class F
2. Fly on CO metal out of EWR and suck up that you have to sit next to someone (a lot of people do it)
3. Fly on NH/other Asian airline (will your company pay for SQ suites out of LAX?) and receive better service and a more comfortable seat, giving up the chance at earning GS miles for that trip

Only you can decide which of these 3 options suits your travel needs best.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7444 times:

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 1):
I think however you can bet the farm on UA running four classes (First, Biz, Econ Plus, Econ) of service from EWR to premium markets once they sort out their single operating certificate (SOC).

I agree. If there is a hub that deserves First Class in the new UA routemap, it is EWR. I wonder, though, if they could start deploying UA planes with First and economy plus out of EWR before the S.O.C... after all, CO planes are now flying routes out of UA hubs, right? Maybe there is no need to wait until then. Just saying.



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7137 times:

Nothing has been announced yet. But I think it's more likely than not that most/all Asia routes will receive 3-class birds. We discussed a few weeks ago whether PMUA 777s could make EWR-HKG and the consensus seemed to be "yes"...Though I don't recall if we discussed EWR-Delhi and Mumbai.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
if they could start deploying UA planes with First and economy plus out of EWR before the S.O.C...

They already are. EWR-BRU and ZRH are operated by PMUA 3-class aircraft.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6914 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 5):
They already are. EWR-BRU and ZRH are operated by PMUA 3-class aircraft.

   There you go. Thanks Washingtonian.

When will they start retrofitting CO birds with F?



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User currently offlinechopchop767 From Italy, joined Aug 2010, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6703 times:

When I flew back to Europe back in May, I stopped by the President's Club and noticed that a UA 767 was sitting at one of the gates. When I saw the pilot go out to perform the pre-flight checks, I noticed that he had a UA uniform. I thought it was very odd seeing the UA 767 and I thought that it may have just been a result of irregular ops and that it would be going to ORD, or DEN, or LAX or any of the other hubs. Sure enough, it was bound for ZRH.

So, knowing that's the strategy going forward, I would suspect that UA will be deploying some of their F/J/Y configured birds out of EWR to some of the more lucrative markets. I know that ZRH is one, but I would have thought LHR, FRA, NRT or HKG would have been served via that configuration before BRU and ZRH.

I think you can rest assured that you'll be on UA 777s heading to NRT...



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User currently onlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4411 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5639 times:

What I don't get is why UA is only doing ZRH and BRU at the moment from EWR.

User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5507 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
When will they start retrofitting CO birds with F?

Nothing has been announced. The only big changes so far are the conversion of the 14 PMUA domestic 767s to a 2-class international product with PMCO diamond seats and PTVs in the back. The PMCO 764s are also getting this seat. Also they will be taking delivery of several 787s.

Your guess is as good as anybody's on here as to whether the 14 soon-to-be-international 763s and 787s will lead to the retirement of CO's 762s, replace some CO 752 routes, replace some PMUA 3-class 767 routes out of ORD/IAD, or some combination of all three. There will be good deal of slack in the fleet though, so lots of possibilites for United!

Quoting chopchop767 (Reply 7):
I would suspect that UA will be deploying some of their F/J/Y configured birds out of EWR to some of the more lucrative markets

Yes, this is bound to happen. Not every market I'm sure--I don't think EWR-ATH or EWR-FCO needs First. But there are plenty that warrant it.

Quoting chopchop767 (Reply 7):
I know that ZRH is one, but I would have thought LHR, FRA, NRT or HKG would have been served via that configuration before BRU and ZRH.

The airline knows their most important routes more than A.netters do...It might also have something to do with the number of daily flights to London. It would be hard to have a consistant product since they have multiple daily flights and would presumably want to switch all of them at once to F.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 8):
What I don't get is why UA is only doing ZRH and BRU at the moment from EWR.

Give it time. There will be plenty of changes down the road. Look at JFK today. Delta's international operations there are probably majority PMNW A-330/747 now...


User currently onlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4411 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5372 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 9):
Quoting N62NA (Reply 8):
What I don't get is why UA is only doing ZRH and BRU at the moment from EWR.

Give it time. There will be plenty of changes down the road. Look at JFK today. Delta's international operations there are probably majority PMNW A-330/747 now..

Yes, I have no doubt that there will be more, but why these two flights, and so far ahead of whatever other changes will be coming? What was the imperative to switch these two flights from CO to UA?


User currently offlineairzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

Quoting daron4000 (Reply 3):
No, only flights on UA count towards GS.

Actually not completely true. All CO and UA BIS mileage/revenue in 2011 counts towards GS qualification in 2012.

This has been confirmed in the public domain (FT) and through personal exchanges I've had with senior execs at UA.


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2863 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4674 times:
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Quoting daron4000 (Reply 3):

Thanks, I would gleefully ANA and even CO diamond seat. I try never to forget how lucky I am and take business for granted. It wasn't that long ago when the international, grey cloth business seat on old UA planes was a wonder to me and loved it - I couldn't believe the UA recline vs AA, DL or other legacy airlines. How quickly we get spoiled. I felt bad about my comment about sitting next to someone else...I would be happy to sit next to anyone on A.net. I've just had some bad experiences lately with a drunken man who got very sloppy and a middle aged (plus) woman in BF who basically gave herself an in seat bed bath for 4 hours from LHR.
I also love the window- I HATE bothering the sleeping person next to me to get up for a north pole pee.
Mostly UA's F seat gives me the most delicious sleep and is all I need to feel like a king. But I never forget from where I came.."The Bronx" in a very humble home... luck could change overnight and maybe I will be back in economy!

As for GS, UA has me completely and utterly hooked, but has anyone noticed that the blush is a bit off the rose? At first you were treated like Justin Timberlake and now it feels more like you just have a separate phone number and a black card? Sometimes, you get a top GS agent who rolls out the red carpet and treats you as someone really extra special- and will jump through hoops if something goes wrong- but a big internal GS reboot is in order! But...I'm still hooked!



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User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4336 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
When will they start retrofitting CO birds with F?

Probably never.



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

I see no reason for UA to have F on nearly so many aircraft, now that it obviously is not going to be offered on all long-haul flights.


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
While the CO BF (diamond seat- is that it's nickname?) is "ok" it really is cramped for 12/13 hours.

I don't know why you'd think that, the Diamond seat and the IPTE business seat are almost identical - but the CO one is actually several inches wider.

NS


User currently offlinebralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 10):
Yes, I have no doubt that there will be more, but why these two flights, and so far ahead of whatever other changes will be coming? What was the imperative to switch these two flights from CO to UA?

Apparently UA considers both BRU and ZRH as premium markets that can support F. However in the case of BRU there was the "need" of a permanent 777 which CO couldn't provide due lack of planes (Most of the year the route was flown by the 764 when the 772 was needed elsewhere). UA had the bird and took the route and thus is now offering F on all its routes to BRU (ORD/IAD & EWR).


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 15):
I don't know why you'd think that, the Diamond seat and the IPTE business seat are almost identical - but the CO one is actually several inches wider.

It's only wider on the 777...it's actually narrower on the 752 than the IPTE seats are so depending on which aircraft he was on he may have felt more cramped then on an IPTE seat.



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2863 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2319 times:
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Quoting United1 (Reply 17):

I was on a 757 both ways. I thought the seat was about the same width as the UA C seat, and I felt for BusinessFirst it needed a bit more F quality in the seat given there is no F. I didn't expect an LX business seat but indeed that is worth the thousands I paid CO. And again, it was a nice enough seat, I just wish CO would have done a bit better like C on other carriers- BUT it's still better than AA's angled seat!
As for the 757 (I did not know the seat was less wide than the 777) but I kinda liked the "private jet feel" of a 757, which is why I like UA PS so much.



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