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How Does Virgin Atlantic Work?  
User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 634 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14649 times:

I've always wonderd how Virgin Atlantic manages to fill their flights. They have no connections at London or Manchester. Does it mainly go with meeting local demand? I would appreciate some answers.

Thanks.


avi8
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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5146 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14650 times:

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
I've always wonderd how Virgin Atlantic manages to fill their flights. They have no connections at London or Manchester. Does it mainly go with meeting local demand? I would appreciate some answers.

Local demand... London has a huge O&D market. Plus they also get connections from other carriers and also there own connections like J'burg-LHR-LAX etc etc

The Gatwick flights are pretty much run in combination with Virgin holidays.


User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1649 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14599 times:

London is probably the largest O&D market in Europe, and so VS relies on that market to fill its planes to places like West Africa and North America, which are large markets from the UK and have a healthy share of premium traffic. The leisure routes are typically operated from LGW/MAN/GLA using aircraft specially configured for leisure-heavy routes to the Caribbean, Florida etc.
They do get connections-VS interlines with plenty of other airlines at both ends.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6707 posts, RR: 78
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14604 times:

You don't necessarily need "classic" partner airlines for connections. I booked MUC-LHR-DXB-LHR-MUC early this year, including flights on BA and LH. Here's the report:
Exploring A Virgin: VS A343/A346 & Dubai Delights (by PlaneHunter Aug 8 2011 in Trip Reports)


PH



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User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14541 times:

Don't they code share with BD on internal flights?

User currently offlinegrimey From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 449 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14487 times:

Virgin Atlantic have the option of departing from DUB on their website but only offer certain destinations, DUB - LHR is done by Brithish Midland (BMI). I know of some people who book through travel agents and fly with VS from LHR/LGW and they fly from DUB with EI.

Grimey


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14341 times:

Another thing to remember is that VS does have codeshares as well as partnerships with airlines at pretty much every airport they fly into outside of the UK. While much of their traffic is O & D, they do have passengers that continue their journey to a destination within that country or region with an airline that VS has a codeshare or partnership with. In addition, these codeshares/partnerships put passengers of those airlines onto VS flights in much the same way and in some cases, VS flies to destinations that the other airline does not fly to.

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7361 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14233 times:

In addition to codeshare flights VS have had in the past closer relations with some airlines. Note the small titles on the lower forward fuselage on this aircraft:


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User currently offlineMikeCT From United States of America, joined May 2008, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 13543 times:

Quoting santos (Reply 4):
Don't they code share with BD on internal flights?

I flew JFK-LHR-VIE a couple of weeks ago on VS and BD, booked through the Continental website. Although the ticket was on a BD flight number.


User currently offlinejcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12952 times:

They also have very strong brand loyalty in the UK, which definitely helps things considering their limited route and codeshare network.


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User currently offlinepawsleykat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1978 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12302 times:

I was crewing an LHR-AMS flight this afternoon and we had a number of people came on board with Virgin Atlantic boarding cards, with all the BA information on it. Seemed quite strange, so I looked at the PIL but there was no information as to where they had connected from. I've never seen that on a BA flight before, but I assumed we must have codeshares with VS, despite being the direct competition in the UK  

JG  



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User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12180 times:

Quoting pawsleykat (Reply 10):
I was crewing an LHR-AMS flight this afternoon and we had a number of people came on board with Virgin Atlantic boarding cards, with all the BA information on it. Seemed quite strange, so I looked at the PIL but there was no information as to where they had connected from. I've never seen that on a BA flight before, but I assumed we must have codeshares with VS, despite being the direct competition in the UK

I am not sure codeshare is necessary for this to happen. If it is one ticket, when pax check-in for the first flight they could get boarding passes for all flights/legs on the ticket.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8248 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11831 times:
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Virgin Atlantic established its self leading edge premuim brand. IT became hype to fly VA with its new planes and leading products, Upper Class and IFE systems. The Virgin Clubhouse lounge helps too.

England and its former colonies make it easy to be a British airline and fly to those countries. Virgin already had a following since in many cities VA flies to they used to have Virgin Record Stores. VA flies to 3 type of destinations, the USA, former colonies of the UK and destinations with large commercial ties to the UK; Dubai, Shanghai and Tokyo(NRT).

It is the only airline in Europe with all long haul airplanes similar to Singapore Airlines, no bad preceptions from comutter and short haul hell.


User currently offlineroguetrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10759 times:

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
They have no connections

Despite the herd mentality of the traditional airlines and the hyperactive alliance craze...there is a market segment of people who don't care about frequent flier miles with 800 possible reward destinations nor any of the other benefits we are sternly told alliances etc... bring to us...contrary to a.net conventional wisdom.

There are plenty of people especially in key VS markets that are frankly economically immune to miles or the "comfort" of same-airline/alliance connections and so forth. VS offer a very desirable product in all classes and for the millions of people who mainly care about getting to and from London they are a great option, if only for the change of pace versus BA etc...

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
established its self leading edge premuim brand.

That's part of their success. They are what Apple is to a PC and BA is the serious PC to Virgin's Apple.

...and then there are the budget once-a-year flyers who receive a top notch experience on Virgin versus the likes of AA,UA, DL, etc...

Eventually Virgin may have to join an alliance, but lets hope they don't start to 'allign' service offerings with their partners.

RT


User currently onlinehomsar From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10342 times:

Quoting VS11 (Reply 11):
I am not sure codeshare is necessary for this to happen. If it is one ticket, when pax check-in for the first flight they could get boarding passes for all flights/legs on the ticket.

I've had boarding passes for one airline printed on ticket stock for another carrier before. Wasn't even flying the carrier who's stock was used.



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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7062 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10100 times:

Quoting pawsleykat (Reply 10):
I was crewing an LHR-AMS flight this afternoon and we had a number of people came on board with Virgin Atlantic boarding cards, with all the BA information on it.

On KL servicesfrom LHR to AMS you also see people with VS boarding passes

Quoting roguetrader (Reply 13):
They are what Apple is to a PC

Today they are more Acer laptop than Apple Ipad.

Quoting roguetrader (Reply 13):
budget once-a-year flyers who receive a top notch experience on Virgin

No top notch services in Economy anymore - service standards have gone downhill



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9467 times:

Quoting roguetrader (Reply 13):
...and then there are the budget once-a-year flyers who receive a top notch experience on Virgin versus the likes of AA,UA, DL, etc...

I flew VS economy earlier this year and there was nothing top notch about it. It wasn't bad but it was certainly no better than average.



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User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8852 times:

How about Virgin train. I don't know about it but i suspect that Virgin train has some virgin atlantic codeshares from the London airport.

I only know that Cathay Pacific and Qantas have train codeshares in Germany and UK.



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User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8202 times:

Well, they have an interline agreement with Jat Airways in London Heathrow, in addition to that they have a codeshare with Cyprus Airways between LCA and LHR.

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7751 times:

Quoting pawsleykat (Reply 10):
I've never seen that on a BA flight before, but I assumed we must have codeshares with VS, despite being the direct competition in the UK

No codeshares, but the usual interline agreement.

Quoting VS11 (Reply 11):

I am not sure codeshare is necessary for this to happen. If it is one ticket, when pax check-in for the first flight they could get boarding passes for all flights/legs on the ticket.

That depends on the interline agreement. Sometimes you've to go to the transfer desk if you're having an interline ticket and sometimes not (and sometimes you get a boarding pass, but still you've to change this one at the gate...TAM is requiring this when traveling via CDG).


User currently offlineplanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1007 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7695 times:
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Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 17):
How about Virgin train. I don't know about it but i suspect that Virgin train has some virgin atlantic codeshares from the London airport.

Many years ago, I took a trip to London / Paris from NYC; this part of a promo by VS (saw it advertised in the New York Times) that flew us from JFK to LHR on VS, then a short stay in London, then taking Eurostar to Paris. Not sure if they had a "code share" with Eurostar, but I remember that our paper ticket (yes, it was back in the late 90s) included the Eurostar tickets.


User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2685 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7047 times:

I had a very good experience on Virgin Atlantic. Flew with Norwegian to LGW and connected to MCO this summer. The Virgin brand is well known i Europe, and I am sure that a feeder routes into LGW or MAN would bring in more revenue. (Of course LHR would be best, but that is not possible at the moment). LGW is going through a major renewal program that will probably attract more premium passenger than it currently does. Virgin had an unsuccessful attempt with Virgin Express in Europe, but I would really have enjoyed it if they could get a similar product as Virgin America to work in Europe. I do not believe that the competition is more intense in Europe than in the U.S.


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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6910 times:

Like a lot of carriers VS has interline agreements with a lot of LHR airlines. That means that if your agent has booked you MAN BA LHR VS JFK VS LHR BA MAN and it is on the same ticket number, when you check in with BA at the desk in Manchester, they will tag the bag all the way thru, and 9 times out of 10 it will also give you the BA boarding pass. The same will happen in New York on the return, VS will check your bag all the way to MAN, and give you the LHR-MAN boarding pass.

Totally different if they have been booked as 2 different flights (A VS ticket number and BA ticket number) then the bags will only be checked to the end of that ticket and not all the way thru. That changes when its all in the same alliance, but as VS is not in any, this does not apply to them at the moment.


User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6409 times:
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Quoting bestwestern (Reply 15):
No top notch services in Economy anymore - service standards have gone downhill

In terms of what the physical measurable differences might be there probably isn't much in it but I have flown VS, CO, AA and DL TATL and can tell you that in comparison to VS, The US airlines had much less polite F/As, the food was worse and the aircraft down right grotty!

Fred


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6432 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5303 times:

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 23):
was worse and the aircraft down right grotty!

I gather that being "grotty" is not a good thing and should be avoided. Is it contagious?


25 incitatus : This is a really generous analogy that used to be true years ago. Virgin is a tired, corny brand.
26 jfklganyc : "The US airlines had much less polite F/As, the food was worse and the aircraft down right grotty!" I never stick up for US airlines in terms of servi
27 Jetset7E7 : On our VS075 and 073 MAN-MCO flights we have a lot of carriers connecting on to these flights, EI from DUB, KL from AMS, AY from HEL, BD from various.
28 oykie : What I like about VS is that you have the option to pay for extra legroom at the check-in counter. There are always some rows with extra legroom. Thi
29 MCOGVADCA : SQ, too, but it's not preferable now with the MUC stop. Last time, I just opted for a day in LON (as opposed to trying to switch LGW-LHR in a timely
30 Post contains images VV701 : Around 25 years ago they had a small fleet of Viscounts for just that purpose. Perhaps surprisingly one of their feeder routes that survived the long
31 Post contains images oykie : These pictures brings back memories! Thank you for sharing Perhaps more modern fleet would make it more attractive?
32 homsar : No. Bring back the Viscounts. Then I guarantee you I'll book a flight out there. Won't even care about the in-flight service.
33 Viscount724 : KL also sells exit row seats and certain other seats with more legroom at a small surcharge, including at time of check-in if they're still available
34 oykie : Do they have dedicated rows in the cabin with extra legroom? At Virgin there are other seats than exit row seats that have more space.
35 bestwestern : Yes
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