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Will CX Ever Fly To DFW?  
User currently offlinedfwdfw From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 35 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7859 times:

With CX being a One World memder and AA being a One World member you would think CX would be looking at DFW to fly to.

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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12411 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7816 times:

It's not impossible, but as CX now flies (or is about to fly to) ORD, another major AA hub, it might leave DFW to AA. I think I may have read somewhere that DFW-HKG was one of the routes intended for the new AA 77Ws, but perhaps some of the AA experts may know morea out that.

User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8883 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7809 times:

I think they would have, or will be looking at any of the ports that currently have dedicated freighter flights and no passengers services in the USA, including DFW, HOU, ATL, and MIA.

They may not be 77W destinations, they may need to wait for the A350.



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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7652 times:

DFW could make a lot of sense to connect to the rest of the USA, Mexico, and south America, however I don´t know if yields are that high, altough I read rumors that Qantas wants to go Daily on the SYD-DFW-Brisbane-SYD.

I would love to see also CX or IB doing MAD-HKG, two very big OneWorld hubs, lately MAD has added LAX and DFW in the USA, one by IB one by AA.


User currently offlinedfwdfw From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7425 times:

IB would be a nice addition to DFW because AA has a strong connection with IB.

User currently offlineflythere From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7293 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 3):
DFW could make a lot of sense to connect to the rest of the USA, Mexico, and south America, however I don´t know if yields are that high, altough I read rumors that Qantas wants to go Daily on the SYD-DFW-Brisbane-SYD.

I would love to see also CX or IB doing MAD-HKG, two very big OneWorld hubs, lately MAD has added LAX and DFW in the USA, one by IB one by AA.

Not bad if we see flights to both MAD and BCN!

Quoting dfwdfw (Thread starter):
With CX being a One World memder and AA being a One World member you would think CX would be looking at DFW to fly to.


HKG-DFW is even longer than HKG-JFK. On Westbound from DFW, could it be too hot in DFW in the summer while headwind in winter time too strong for a 77W to operate at a sub-optimal penalized way?


User currently offlinedfwdfw From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7293 times:

CX could fly DFW seasonaly spring and fall A340

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32627 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7282 times:

There are rumors that AA will launch DFWHKG with the 77W not long after deliveries start.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24904 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7162 times:

Um Cathay Pacific very much already serves DFW.
Current schedule is a daily 747 freighter – arriving 0005, departing at 0145.

Cathay Pacific Cargo To Launch DFW Service (by Ssides Jul 1 2005 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinedfwdfw From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7163 times:

You got a point there.

User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6869 times:

I have heard that DFW could be the next US pax destination for CX.

User currently offlinedfwdfw From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6864 times:

Yes thats what I am wanting to hear.

User currently offlineHKG212 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 3):
DFW could make a lot of sense to connect to the rest of the USA, Mexico, and south America

Except for Mexico, I think there is very little connectivity to the U.S. and South America via DFW that is not already available via JFK, LAX or ORD. Flying HKG-MIA would truly open Latin American destinations, but I believe neitehr CX nor AA have the right equipment for that without payload restrictions.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 3):
I would love to see also CX or IB doing MAD-HKG

HKG-MAD would make a lot of sense and give CX passengers many good 1-stop links to South America compared to the limited service via LHR and the huge hassle of transiting via the U.S., including the need to get a visa. This has been an odd gap in the CX network -- can someone shed light on it?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Um Cathay Pacific very much already serves DFW.
Current schedule is a daily 747 freighter – arriving 0005, departing at 0145.

If there is such a demand for cargo on HKG-DFW, of course that can change any pax equation.


User currently offlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6638 times:
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cx wil receive two more 773er this year and they will be deployed to ORD. How many 773er are they going to receive next year, did they have enough plane to start to DFW even though they solve the hot summer and winter wind issue? I think they will start another to JFK or second daily to ORD before they start to DFW.

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32627 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6587 times:

Quoting HKG212 (Reply 12):
Except for Mexico, I think there is very little connectivity to the U.S. and South America via DFW that is not already available via JFK, LAX or ORD. Flying HKG-MIA would truly open Latin American destinations, but I believe neitehr CX nor AA have the right equipment for that without payload restrictions.

The A350 will be able to do MIAHKG. CX has been rumored to be looking at flying to Miami via a third point - decent local market size (larger than DFWHKG) and high fare market.

The biggest Dallas-Asia market and, indeed, the biggest Texas-Asia market, is DFWICN. I still can't believe AA ignores this.

[Edited 2011-08-13 20:19:57]


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User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

Quoting cx828 (Reply 13):
I think they will start another to JFK or second daily to ORD before they start to DFW.

I agree. CX's strategy is to always make a very strong foothold of themselves in a current market before they move on to the next one. I believe both a 2nd Chicago and another JFK could happen next year unless the economy takes a downturn. More A330s arriving could free up some 77Ws from regional flying to make this possible.


User currently offlineJasonCRH From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 293 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6237 times:

Oh I can believe it. I know many people who take that flight, both for leisue and business. They're allmKorean. Most of the people are either Koreans or southeast Asians transiting to Vietnam. When I ask my friends if they would take AA if it were to do dfw-icn, they laugh. No way!! Korean has better service and that's what they want. AA could probably get the low end market, but not the high end business traffic. Koreans will pay to fly KE in biz, not AA

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):

Quoting


HKG212 (Reply 12):
Except for Mexico, I think there is very little connectivity to the U.S. and South America via DFW that is not already available via JFK, LAX or ORD. Flying HKG-MIA would truly open Latin American destinations, but I believe neitehr CX nor AA have the right equipment for that without payload restrictions.

The A350 will be able to do MIAHKG. CX has been rumored to be looking at flying to Miami via a third point - decent local market size (larger than DFWHKG) and high fare market.

The biggest Dallas-Asia market and, indeed, the biggest Texas-Asia market, is DFWICN. I still can't believe AA ignores this.

[Edited 2011-08-13 20:19:57]


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32627 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6103 times:

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 16):
AA could probably get the low end market, but not the high end business traffic. Koreans will pay to fly KE in biz, not AA

AA would steal the Dallas-based business originating traffic with ease. AA will also take the military traffic with ease.



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User currently offlineJasonCRH From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 293 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

the majority of the Dallas-based originating passengers are Koreans. they will always fly KE, not AA. military, maybe, but that´s not really that profitable, so who cares.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
AA would steal the Dallas-based business originating traffic with ease. AA will also take the military traffic with ease.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11466 posts, RR: 61
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

One way or another, DFW-HKG is a market screaming out for a flight. Connecting the largest oneworld hub in North America with the largest oneworld hub in Asia would not only open up tons of new connectivity between the U.S. and Asia (particularly Southeast Asia and China) but also provide new nonstop access between one of America's largest and strongest economies and one of the fastest-growing economic hubs on earth (Pearl River Delta).

Whether an AA 77W or CX 77W, I think that route could absolutely work. I just hope CX stays in oneworld!

DFW still needs a bit more international service:

- Across the Pacific, I believe DFW could still support a daily AA 777 to ICN, a daily AA/CX 77W to HKG, and possibly a daily AA 777 to Mainland China (probably PVG); plus, I think QF can go daily on DFW-SYD

- In Europe, the big need is for IB to replace AA on DFW-MAD - the A330/A340 would be a better match for the economics of this market

- In South America, I think a daily AA 737 to LIM and 3-4x weekly AA 737 to BOG could work

- And in the Mid East and South Asia, I think DFW absolutely could support a nonstop flight to one of the Gulf hubs - either Emirates to DXB or more likely Etihad to AUH (if they keep the AA partnership)

Quoting HKG212 (Reply 12):
Except for Mexico, I think there is very little connectivity to the U.S. and South America via DFW that is not already available via JFK, LAX or ORD.

There are lots of markets throughout the U.S. that would absolutely be much easier to access via DFW than any of CX's other current U.S. gateways. DFW is the second largest air hub on earth - with hundreds of flights per day to cities all around the continent - it would be an excellent gateway for AA/CX.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
The biggest Dallas-Asia market and, indeed, the biggest Texas-Asia market, is DFWICN. I still can't believe AA ignores this.

  

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 18):
the majority of the Dallas-based originating passengers are Koreans. they will always fly KE, not AA. military, maybe, but that´s not really that profitable, so who cares.

Perhaps the "majority" of the DFW-originating passengers are ethnically Korean, VFR traveling back and forth to ICN. But there is also a very substantial DFW-originating business component to the route's demand, the vast majority of which is extremely loyal to AA and today flies DFW-NRT-ICN just to get to Korea. I've have flown that exact routing - and I swear when sitting at the NRT gate waiting for JL959 NRT-ICN, at least 50-60 passengers on that plane had come off the DFW flight. The market is absolutely there for DFW-originating passengers, not to mention the people heading to Korea (an economically and demographically strong and growing market), and if AA entered, they could easily skim much of the premium U.S.-originating traffic off the route.


User currently offlineflythere From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
The A350 will be able to do MIAHKG. CX has been rumored to be looking at flying to Miami via a third point - decent local market size (larger than DFWHKG) and high fare market.

The pit-stop would likely be a European city if I am not mistaken. Perhaps either Oslo or Manchester?


User currently offlineHKG212 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

Quoting flythere (Reply 20):
The pit-stop would likely be a European city if I am not mistaken. Perhaps either Oslo or Manchester?

Neither would make any sense at all, on either leg.

If there is a stop, it would probably be in North America, maybe ORD or YVR/YYZ.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32627 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

Quoting HKG212 (Reply 21):
Quoting flythere (Reply 20):
The pit-stop would likely be a European city if I am not mistaken. Perhaps either Oslo or Manchester?

Neither would make any sense at all, on either leg.

If there is a stop, it would probably be in North America, maybe ORD or YVR/YYZ.


I would think North America, too. But MIAMAN and MANHKG are both decent sized local markets that can support non-stops, so it's not too crazy an idea.

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 18):
military, maybe, but that´s not really that profitable, so who cares

Military traffic, not profitable? If that's the case, why do airlines fight all over each other to be awarded military travel contracts. Here's a hint: it's profitable.



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User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Could they fly MIA-HKG through a point in Asia? For example HKG-ICN-MIA or HKG-NRT-MIA

User currently offlineflythere From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4127 times:

Quoting HKG212 (Reply 21):


Neither would make any sense at all, on either leg.

If there is a stop, it would probably be in North America, maybe ORD or YVR/YYZ.


I think I read sth not long ago from another thread here on a.net that one CX sales person did mention about European linkage to MIA as 5th freedom via Canada is hard to gain and via another US city without local traffic right is again not financially viable. Being at the tip of the east coast, EU stands a great chance indeed. Take routing via MAN as example, it is only 15% longer to do HKG-MAN-MIA than HKG-MIA direct, Oslo is even less.


25 IrishAyes : Do you think AA and KE can coexist on this route? Why did AA drop DFWLIM to begin with? The situation in Colombia has definitely improved and I think
26 CX Flyboy : Not something that CX would be going for and I highly doubt US military travel contracts go to forgeign airlines.
27 bartond : No doubt, and LH traffic is already down this year quite a bit. Somewhere around 10% compared to last year, while KLM traffic is up 7% or so. Looks l
28 MCOGVADCA : Agreed. As for a tag-on service, I find it highly unlikely that they'd opt for a HKG-xxx-MIA service. CX operates a number of tag-on services/small f
29 commavia : Actually military personnel and contractors flying on government business can and regularly do fly on non-U.S. airlines as long as the flight carries
30 HKG212 : I don't see MAN-HKG being even considered by CX in the foreseeable future, considering that they only fly to 6 European detinations (LHR, CDG, FRA, A
31 david_itl : BA's beancounters went out of thier way to make MAN unprofitable and some loonies in this forum think it was good for them to get passsengers to be r
32 zeke : I think any port where there is an existing freighter service like MAN or DFW is being actively considered for a passenger service. Some ports may no
33 HKG212 : This is not about BA beancounters or airspace optimization in South East England. It's a simple observation that I just can't see MAN being a market
34 LAXdude1023 : As much as I would love to say yes, in my opinion "maybe" is a better word. DFW-HKG is a route that does make sense and one day I think it will happen
35 jonathanxxxx : How about a stop in HEL? It's a OW hub, it has a good amount of traffic to MIA and it is not too far off. It could woek.
36 LAXdude1023 : If you mean, why doesnt HEL fly to MIA and could it work, thats for another thread. Too complex to talk about in this one.
37 HKG212 : AY flies that route, this summer sometimes twice a day, with good ongoing connections to many destinations in Europe. CX will not fly there too. Agai
38 jonathanxxxx : No, I meant that CX could fly HKG-HEL-MIA but after being told AY already does the HEl-HKG leg I doubt it. Although can the A350 do MIA-HKG non-stop?
39 LAXdude1023 : Not happening. With AY flying that route, thats enough. If CX enters MIA from a third party city, it would be in the US or Canada, not Europe.
40 jonathanxxxx : But they could always do it through Asia. HKG-ICN-MIA its only 100 miles extra, definitely a plausible idea. HKG-NRT-MIA could work too.
41 RAGAZZO777 : I'm sure DFW-HKG will be operated at some point in the future, just not sure about the operating carrier. Would a 738 have the appropriate range to f
42 JasonCRH : if you've ever actually seen the numbers or worked with them, which I have, you'd realize that it's marginal at best. severely discounted fares that a
43 MAH4546 : In other words, you have confirmed what I said: it's profitable.
44 LAXdude1023 : That will never happen in our lifetime. Realistically, HKG-YYZ-MIA or HKG-ORD-MIA is much, much more likely.
45 MAH4546 : It'd be great if it happened soon, and I know CX has shown interest, but I doubt it will work until it can be non-stop. A 773 will be able to do DFWH
46 mogandoCI : HKG-YYC is currently unserved, so there's a sizable asian population there. why not kill 2 birds at once by doing HKG-YYC-DFW and HKG-YYZ-MIA (no bac
47 flythere : That would totally mess up with the current HKG-JFK schedule as there is a swap of flight. The aircraft doing HKG-YVR-JFK would then do JFK-HKG direc
48 IrishAyes : ...but not really necessary for the time being, given the AA ORD-MIA connections?? I think I agree with Mark that CX will only come to MIA when it ca
49 MAH4546 : Likely a combination of both. AA has already hinted, publicly, at using them to Hong Kong and Sydney.
50 Post contains images IrishAyes : So I would assume, if anything, that indicates AA replacing QF on DFWSYD since that alternative is far superior to waiting on an aircraft better suit
51 jpetekyxmd80 : That makes zero sense. The 767 has more Y seats than the 777, and just about 20 less overall. It's a good fit for DFW-FRA, and the aircraft change gi
52 jonathanxxxx : They've been hinting at alot of ew things with the 77W's. I read an article where an AA spokesman kept on saying things about MIA-NRT. Alot of new th
53 mogandoCI : we'll be waiting a LONG time even SIN-LAX is shorter than HKG-MIA. There are NO planes either currently on the market or on the horizontal that can d
54 IrishAyes : I agree with many of your points, although FRA is such a huge business market that I feel should not be getting the 763 from DFW, as AA's sole route
55 MAH4546 : They just said Sydney. It could be from DFW, it could be from LAX. AA and QF have applied for anti-trust immunity, which means metal neutrality if AA
56 Post contains links LAXdude1023 : Most recently, AA said they wont be serving Australia. http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/wi...a-american-airlines-reaffirms.html "I clearly made it k
57 MAH4546 : Eh, reading his comments I still don't see that. The Australian media picked up on the article and speculation grew from it, so AA obviously wants to
58 JasonCRH : no, it makes tons of sense. if the paid traffic in business and first were there, the 777 would still be on the route. they'd make it happen one way o
59 LAXdude1023 : But for the DFW-FRA route specifically, that was what happened. The aircraft was needed elsewhere, so they yanked it. Maybe, but it appears at very m
60 MAH4546 : Right now, absolutely. But when AA and QF have ATI, it's impossible to tell, because neither knows each other's financials to see if it will work.
61 flythere : Yea, I believe it is so. A359 is probably the bird for HKG-MIA; while HKG-DFW, it is a 50/50 as the market may not mature enough and even 77W has to
62 cx828 : A brave idea. since cx only has 773er but without 77L and A359 is not ready in five years. As DFW is not mature enough, can CX use 773er as 77L since
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