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DL ATL-LGW Cutbacks  
User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 11407 times:

I noticed Delta has cut ATL-LGW to 6 times per week (not operating on Saturday) effective 10/1, and then 5 times per week (not operating on Friday and Sunday) from November on. As far as I can remember, this flight has always been daily. ATL-LHR appears to be remaining at the same level of service. Could this be the beginning of the end of DL service to LGW? Since they only fly there from ATL and soon not to be daily, it seems they decide to not leave that station open.

I flew ATL-LHR and back last April and the flights were extremely full. Both of the return flights were overbooked and they were asking for volunteers for $1,000 credits to give up seats. I assumed the ATL-LGW flight performed well as they have kept the LGW station open for just that one flight.


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User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11234 times:

I could have sworn Delta had stopped flying to LGW. Shows how much I know....  


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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11122 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 1):

I could have sworn Delta had stopped flying to LGW. Shows how much I know...

Hope not! I am on a plane in November!

This is probably just the capacity cut for the winter. I think the LHR route is more popular.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8374 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11043 times:
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ATL to LGW is widely used for FF rewards travel. IT would be the first to get cut since less people go to London on Vacation in the winter.

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 11025 times:

They haven't got a LHR slot for the early ATL yet as they are building up JFK. The DTW and MSP slots at LHR are also sub optimal. LGW remains on the B763.

User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 10567 times:

Even though the flight is full, I have noticed the flight DL flight LGW-ALT is very regularly full of British tourists usually on package holidays to the US and connecting through ATL or Americans heading to London.

This would make me think a number of seats are being sold cheap in bulk to tour operators. So may not be all that profitable.

That only leaves US Airways as the only American airline flying daily out of LGW to CLT, they still continue to use an A330-300 on the route, which would make me think this is operating well. Considering they could if they chose, downgrade it to a A330-200 or a 767-200.


User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10196 times:

Wow, I remember one year DL had up to 4 flights a day from ATL to LGW. IIRC wasn't this DL's very first transatlantic flight? I would Love to see some earlier flights from ATL to LHR, are there plans to aquire some more slots?


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 10005 times:

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 6):
Wow, I remember one year DL had up to 4 flights a day from ATL to LGW.

As I recall, the most we ever had, ATL-LGW, was two flights a day......Flight 10 and I believe Flight 58 (not sure about that flight number, tho).



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User currently offlinechopchop767 From Italy, joined Aug 2010, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9797 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 4):
That only leaves US Airways as the only American airline flying daily out of LGW to CLT, they still continue to use an A330-300 on the route, which would make me think this is operating well. Considering they could if they chose, downgrade it to a A330-200 or a 767-200.

I believe AA still flies to LGW from RDU.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9665 times:

American are now all at LHR, including RDU. Summer 2005 had ATL-LGW at least three daily, but am sure four. Need to check, this was the last year before they launched New York to London. All on the B763 they had ATL-LGW DL8,DL12 and DL58. CVG-LGW was DL36.

User currently offlinerobso2 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2010, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8742 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 4):
LGW remains on the B763

I have also seen 764 at LGW more than once

Quoting chopchop767 (Reply 8):
I believe AA still flies to LGW from RDU

RDU is a LHR route



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8636 times:

You will also have seen A332 and A333 as well as the B764 but the current allocation is the B763 alas. Actually we also used to see TriStars and the odd A310 too!

[Edited 2011-08-14 05:32:10]

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4175 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8586 times:

With all due, the argument about keeping a station open for just one daily flight is inaccurate. It is a-net myth that is somehow not the done thing.

DL serve many airports with daily or even less than daily service as do many airlines. You don't need a full station infrastructure. It can be contracted out...



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User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8542 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 7):

When I worked at ATL it was double daily most of the year, DL10 and DL12 - operating from the T-gates (tells you how long ago that was).



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User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8503 times:

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 13):
When I worked at ATL it was double daily most of the year, DL10 and DL12 - operating from the T-gates (tells you how long ago that was).

What's funny is those flight numbers still exist with DL 12 ATL-LGW and DL 10 ATL-LHR. They still sometimes even depart from the T gates when E is full.



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User currently offlineDFW36L From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 89 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8334 times:

Do y'all remember when DL 12 continued from LGW to the FRA hub? I remember going to LGW to spend a summer abroad while in college and I sat next to a guy who was continuing to the FRA hub to connect to somewhere. But then those were the days when I flew home on DL's FRA-DFW flight! I also remember that a different summer, I flew DL 10 to go to my summer study abroad and my bags flew on DL 12.


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User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8043 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 11):
You will also have seen A332 and A333 as well as the B764 but the current allocation is the B763 alas. Actually we also used to see TriStars and the odd A310 too!

Don't forget there was the MD11 too! The last time I flew LGW-ATL was with BA on a 777 and DL's MD11 was taxiing in front of us at LGW and landed parallel to us at ATL. I wished I was on that aircraft instead!



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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7974 times:

Quoting TLHFLA (Reply 14):
What's funny is those flight numbers still exist with DL 12 ATL-LGW and DL 10 ATL-LHR. They still sometimes even depart from the T gates when E is full.

A lot of international flights still depart from the T-Gates, the other night when I was there CPH, MAN, and a few others were all leaving out of the T-gates, all those aircraft are moved over from TechOps before the flight, which is why most of them depart out of the T-Gates since they were already in ATL for something and not flying that day.



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User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5985 times:

Sorry - should have been more clear. When I worked there the T-gates were just international (before E was built). T-7 was LH, T-14 was BA, etc. Of course back then there were far fewer international flights.


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8269 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5952 times:

I'm glad DL has kept LGW where every other US carrier has dropped it. LGW is so much more convenient than LHR, I have no idea why anyone would want to fly to Heathrow if given the choice.


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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3261 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

My very first 777 flight ever was on a shiny brand new AA plane LGW-DFW, we went a bit out of our way to fly one of AA's first 777 planes and routes. I don't think they had introduced them to LHR yet. Seemed strange their 777's were flying out of LGW first. What a tremendously different experience it was vs the 762 we had flown into BRU the week before, both in J but worlds apart in experience. Now AA doesn't even land at LGW? Wow things sure do change.


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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5559 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9):
Summer 2005 had ATL-LGW at least three daily, but am sure four. Need to check, this was the last year before they launched New York to London. All on the B763 they had ATL-LGW DL8,DL12 and DL58. CVG-LGW was DL36.

Quoting myself here, but I found what I was looking for. Summer 2005 presence at Gatwick was five daily B767-300ERs through Gatwick, four ATL-LGW, one CVG-LGW.

ATL-LGW
DL8 / 9
DL12 / 11
DL58 / 59
DL10 / 19

CVG-LGW
DL36 / 37

Quoting N766UA (Reply 19):
LGW is so much more convenient than LHR, I have no idea why anyone would want to fly to Heathrow if given the choice.

That rather depends on where you are headed as not all passengers are tourists heaindg into town and industry and the M4 corridor are much nearer Heathrow than Gatwick.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5449 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 19):
I'm glad DL has kept LGW where every other US carrier has dropped it. LGW is so much more convenient than LHR, I have no idea why anyone would want to fly to Heathrow if given the choice.

I agree, If one is traveling to Central London, then LGW is more convenient when using the Gatwick express


User currently offlineheebeegb From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

Didn't DL have a short lived BOS-LGW 763 service before 9/11 ?

User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4703 times:

Quoting heebeegb (Reply 23):
Didn't DL have a short lived BOS-LGW 763 service before 9/11 ?

Yep...they did. They also had a JFK-LGW flight that lasted longer. If I recall correctly, I think the DL JFK-LGW flight was the only service into LGW from JFK at the time. The JFK-LGW flight was discontinued a year or so before DL started up the JFK-LHR flights.



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25 skipness1E : Not at all, JFK-LGW was simply moved to LHR, there was no break in service. DL also operated DTW-LGW for a time to which was sold to NWA if I recall.
26 indiansbucs : Probably the yields are the ones making DL suspiciously do cutbacks slowly...
27 mayor : This was all part of the PanAm acquisition.......it started as CLE-LGW, then I believe it was changed to DTW-LGW and sold to NW.....or maybe sold to
28 Delta2ual : I always thought it was strange that when it was only AA & UA to LHR, AA also flew to LGW but UA did not. Did UA ever fly to LGW or was it always
29 skipness1E : American's route authority from DFW and RDU was to LGW, the LHR operations were bought from TWA in 1991, including JFK, EWR, LAX, MIA, ORD amongst oth
30 VV701 : Bermuda 2 listed those US cities which could be served from LHR. The list did not include either Dallas or Raleigh. So if AA wished to serve LON from
31 panamair : DL continued to operate JFK-LGW albeit with a 757 even after it started JFK-LHR. JFK-LGW was eventually dropped after one summer of concurrent operat
32 skipness1E : Oh yes I forgot DL kept JFK-LGW for a time, CO also kept a LGW operation for the first summer but the numbers didn't add up. Are US keeping CLT at LGW
33 brilondon : AA does not fly to LGW at all. I believe that I have read somewhere that LGW is trying to re-brand its self as a tourist airport for London and would
34 TLHFLA : It looks like the only routes left from the US to LGW are: Delta: ATL-LGW US Airways: CLT-LGW British Airways: TPA-LGW and MCO-LGW Virgin Atlantic: LA
35 TLHFLA : I think this is due to CLT not being on the list of cities that are approved to have service to LHR. I think the same is true for TPA and MCO.
36 skipness1E : Nope, Open Skies means they are free to move. The US Florida flights from BA are a good fit with the BA LGW leisure business model, they are not likel
37 nickofatlanta : Any city in the US can receive service from LHR as a result of open skies. No 'list' as per Bermuda II exists anymore. TPA and MCO are still at LGW b
38 MarkATL : I thought that VS ran a LGW-MCO route as well?
39 Viscount724 : Yes VS currently operates twice daily LGW-MCO.
40 Post contains links VV701 : This is because Bermuda 2 not only specified the US cities that could be served from LHR but also the airlines that could fly between them. The uname
41 skipness1E : Virgin moved all LON-EWR to LHR prior to 2005 when I moved to London, perhaps someone else can help with the exact date. As to US at LGW , the same co
42 VC10DC10 : Not to quibble, but I believe that DL swapped its DTW-LGW authority for NW's BOS-LGW in around the 1995-1996 timeframe (I'm not quite sure but it was
43 brilondon : When you fly into LHR there are so many more connections to the rest of the world and I did not like having to take the tube to Victoria Station to t
44 TLHFLA : I had thought about using LGW when I went to London last Spring. It is actually a little bit closer to where my friend I was visting lives, but it se
45 WA707atMSP : The original National Airlines was also allowed to fly to LHR, on their MIA-LHR route, which was awarded in 1970. After Pan Am acquired National, thi
46 commavia : It is purely because they can't get the slots on terms they like. If US could move CLT-LON to LHR, they would be gone from LGW in a second. I suspect
47 mayor : My memory is a little fuzzy, but that's what I thought, too. A straight sale, no swap involved.
48 eljonno : This is something I have always found strange: I have never really understood why the carriers seem to prefer LHR, with all it's slot constraint prob
49 AADC10 : I am sure it has more to do with passenger preference than airline preference. If yields at LGW were close to LHR then they would serve LGW but they
50 laca773 : Do any of the ATL-LHR flights ever get upgauged because of not having enough capacity? Now that the 77Es have upgraded BizE cabins, I could see DL up
51 CODC10 : CO operated this route from about 1984/85 through the EA bankruptcy and liquidation.
52 Delta2ual : I actually got to DH to DTW to cover our LGW flight in 1995. I think this was right before we sold it. It was an L1011-500.
53 VV701 : National Airlines flew into LHR under the original 1946 Bermuda Agreement. This imposed no restrictions on which airlines could operate between LHR a
54 VC10DC10 : Thanks very much for the correction! (What happened to NW's BOS-LGW authority?)
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