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New Zealand Aviation Thread #100!  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12091 posts, RR: 18
Posted (3 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 13905 times:
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Welcome to the 100th New Zealand Aviation Thread. In thread #99 New Zealand Aviation Thread #99 (by 777ER Jul 25 2011 in Civil Aviation) we learnt and discussed:

- WLGs Steve Fitzgerald moves on from WLG
- NZs 1900D fleet replacement possibilities
- More issues with NZs international connection fares on UA, AC etc V's purchasing direct from the connecting airline
- Brief RWC extra flights
- VS and NZ expand codeshare deals
- Ex ZK registered Bae146s
- NZs HKG-LHR route and the B77W fleet
- Is HKG-LHR about to be axed?


A bit of a blast from the past, here is the first original New Zealand Aviation Thread I posted from 2007! New Zealand Aviation Thread (by 777ER Feb 23 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Anyone willing to bet how long it will take to reach 200 threads?

   Lets taxi to the runway and blast into the New Zealand skies, pop the    as we celebrate the 100th    thread

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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 13857 times:

Very glad to see #100 of this thread...the Aussies are lagging way behind!

Quoting qf002 (Reply 203):
Or what about changing departures all the way through (not sure about slots or other restrictions due to the business of LHR in the mornings):

Depart AKL at aprox 3:15pm
Arrive HKG at aprox 10:45pm

Depart HKG at aprox 12:30am
Arrive LHR at aprox 6am

A 10:45pm arrival at HKG means NZ will lose all passengers connecting to mainland China flights, and the HKG bound passengers would not appreciate missing the last bus to town (around midnight) if there is a slight delay.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 13846 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
A bit of a blast from the past, here is the first original New Zealand Aviation Thread I posted from 2007! New Zealand Aviation Thread (by 777ER Feb 23 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Wow, 100. It seems like yesterday when that first thread was started. Thanks to everyone who has participated over the years for the good times, the ugly confrontations and strange happenings! (coincidentally my 4444th post..)

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Brief RWC extra flights

I still wonder if there's more to come.. Fingers crossed for some European carriers.

[Edited 2011-08-15 00:55:49]


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12091 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 13817 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 2):
Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Brief RWC extra flights

I still wonder if there's more to come.. Fingers crossed for some European carriers.

I believe there will be more flights. We've only heard from NZ, DJ and QF basically so IMHO there will be extra Tasman flights and long haul


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12091 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 13814 times:
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ZQN and DUD are closed, CHC is on and off, WLG is now closed due to snow.

Wellington Airport has temporarily put all its flight on hold while the runway was cleared of excess ice and snow. A spokeswoman said the conditions would be constantly evaluated throughout the night.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5443...Major-weather-disruption-around-NZ


User currently offlineZKNCL From New Zealand, joined Oct 2010, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 13783 times:

Oh come on couldn't we have had a better title for this thread like Super Awesome 100th thread special?

Quoting cchan (Reply 1):
Very glad to see #100 of this thread...the Aussies are lagging way behind!

Yeah! Lets see how long it take them to reach #100, anyone wants a guess?

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 2):
It seems like yesterday when that first thread was started.

Actually it was 4 years ago on the 23rd of Feb 2007 but... Nice try! 
Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
- Brief RWC extra flights

Hope we see more airlines like SAA, BA, AF etc. But sadly it will probably be just the boring NZ tail that dominates all Kiwi airports because they kicked out so many tails...  

Shall we add some excitement to this thread? like not talking about boring seats and NZ cutting 1 service to a place etc.?
I'll start the conversation-

Which options could NZ take up for future expansion and where should they be deployed?
What tails could we see in the future at WLG, AKL and CHC?
Where's NZ1? (I Think I should probably leave that one out as he might be sick of us  )
Which future aircraft could we see to replace the ATR?

Z~k~N~c~L


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4275 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13757 times:

Hearing rumours that there will likely be some extra charter flights. On the other hand, we're also hearing that some Asian carriers are planning to reduce flights into NZ during the RWC because non-RWC travelers -- people who were just coming over for the hell of it or for business -- can't find reasonably priced hotels, making them either cancel trips or not book trips. Will update when I have a better idea of any revised schedules.

Texan



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User currently offlineaflyingkiwi From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13726 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 6):
On the other hand, we're also hearing that some Asian carriers are planning to reduce flights into NZ during the RWC because non-RWC travelers

That's a bit of a surprise but I guess the home clientale for airlines like MH, TG, SQ & CI aren't exactly known as huge rugby fans. They should be able to fill the planes up with connectors from the UK & France though?

BTW congrats on the big 100!  

Regards,
aflyingkiwi


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4275 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13697 times:

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 7):
That's a bit of a surprise but I guess the home clientale for airlines like MH, TG, SQ & CI aren't exactly known as huge rugby fans. They should be able to fill the planes up with connectors from the UK & France though?

I would've thought the same thing.

Texan



"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 13661 times:

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 7):
They should be able to fill the planes up with connectors from the UK & France though?

Nah - Nobody is coming from that part of the world except a hardcore supporter. And the prices people are charging to do anything here are extortionate even by UK standards - convert even a pool play ticket to pounds and you're looking at major Premiership football game prices for seats where you can actually see the field properly.

And it will put a lot of Poms and Europeans off who just want to travel for a month without being charged $300 a night for a 2 star motel.

I'm not expecting anything special except maybe a couple of bizjets, although I have a fair idea of what is coming to AKL

Playing devil's advocate - imagine if we have another cold snap during Sept/Oct. There would be a lot of people who would be stuck around the country... It's unlikely but this year has been totally unpredictable from start to finish. (barring the economic meltdown that is - that was bound to happen)

Moving on to NZ39. The timings are definitely ideal for AKL-HKG-AKL rather than HKG-LHR. It allows you to fly up, arrive in the morning to spend the day in town, then fly back in the evening. Even if you stay a night you're able to leave after work on the friday, and arrive back on the monday morning to head into the office well before lunchtime.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2253 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 13628 times:
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Some may be interested to know that it is now almost certain NZ will be leasing back A320 MSN 2445 from later this year. This aircraft used to be ZK-OJK, and is currently with TAM.

Source is internal so cannot link.

NZ1


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 918 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 13605 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 1):
Very glad to see #100 of this thread...the Aussies are lagging way behind
Quoting ZKNCL (Reply 5):
Yeah! Lets see how long it take them to reach #100, anyone wants a guess?

Well, at least we are prepared to share ourselves around (do a search and you will find heaps relevant to Aussie aviation that is not in "our" thread). So, on that basis, it will probably take us another 10 years to catch those who live in the second best country in the world   .
Seriously, congratulations on reaching the ton, I enjoy reading the thread as it is full of passion for anything aviation. The last 2 posts I made in the NZ thread were deleted, so I have "taken my ball and gone home". Well done, keep up the good work, cheers.



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User currently offlinejamesnz From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 13604 times:

100! Thanks everyone for the great reads over the past 4 years or so. I started reading the topics back in 2007 because I wanted to find news about the supposed new livery that was going to be rolled out, and though that never happened, I've stuck around through 20,000 posts or so because there's been some fantastic discussions.

Jason, Mariner, NZ1, and everyone else, cheers for some great reads, for info you pass on etc. I have to give a big thanks to Koruman, who has the best ideas and the best way of putting across his point of view. If I ever make it into the higher echelons of NZ, Koruman.. You've got yourself a job as a strategy consultant.

As much as I like TN, bring on their collapse, NZ taking back their PPT-LAX cash cow, and making themselves back into the Pride of The Pacific that it once was! Ideally from their new hub in Invercargill, of course... Just keeping it REAL  


User currently offlineZKNCL From New Zealand, joined Oct 2010, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13591 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 10):
Some may be interested to know that it is now almost certain NZ will be leasing back A320 MSN 2445 from later this year. This aircraft used to be ZK-OJK, and is currently with TAM.

I know what leasing is but does this mean ZK-OJK will remain with TAM or come home (Where it should belong!   just joking  )

Z~k~N~c~L


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13583 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
NZs 1900D fleet replacement possibilities

What about the RUAG Do 228-212NG? Available as new-build, seats up to 19 pax and is - at least in my opinion - a better option than the B1900D or others. I doubt that many of the mentioned routes will actually be able to support 30 seaters, IMO the only option is to look at another 19-seater in the longer term.



Flown: A319/320/321,A332/3,A380,AT4,AT7,B732/3/4/5/7/8,B742/4,B762/763,B772,CR2,CR7,ER4,E70,E75,F50/70,M11,L15,S20
User currently offlineaotearoa From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13585 times:

Happy 100th all!

I had also heard a few rumours on ZK-OJK. It will be nice to see this tail back 'home' again. It's got to be the perfect fit for the NZ operation, based on its original spec. It sits nicely in the middle of the airline's A320 fleet. I hope TAM haven't screwed with it too much.............

A few thoughts come to mind. How will the airline get this into the current regional spec in a timely manner? I can only imagine the timeline on things like seats and IFE must be a little problematic?

Where will this extra A320 capacity be utilised? I gather we must be looking at some new regional city pairs? When are these likely to be announced?

Great new for NZ. This will see the A320 fleet at 17 frames after ZK-OJR and S arrive. Officially NZs biggest jet fleet ever?


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13583 times:

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 7):
That's a bit of a surprise but I guess the home clientale for airlines like MH, TG, SQ & CI aren't exactly known as huge rugby fans. They should be able to fill the planes up with connectors from the UK & France though?
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 9):
Nah - Nobody is coming from that part of the world except a hardcore supporter

Have you any idea how much of a minority sport Rugby Union is in the UK and France?

In England and Scotland it is a sport followed by a small minority of upper-middle class men who have been to boarding school.

In Ireland it is distant third behind Gaelic football and football.

In Wales it used to be the dominant sport among the 2 million people living in the south, while the 1 million in the north have long preferred football (due to their proximity to Liverpool and Manchester). But over the last ten years football has overtaken rugby in the south too.

In France the situation is even more stark. Rugby was only ever a significant game in the deep south, but the last two decades have seen mass Arab immigration to the south and the total obliteration of rugby by football. The only significant city in the south (Marseille) hasn't even got a top level rugby team! There is Toulon 50 km down the road, but they are a millionaire's plaything and don't actually have little things like fans - their stadium holds 13,000 people and is always half-empty.

Have you never wondered how our All Blacks remain at or near the top of the rugby world when we only have 4 million people? It's because the only other country with anything like as many people interested in rugby is South Africa, with 5 million white people interested in rugby.

It has been obvious for ages that the World Cup would hardly bring in any extra travellers, and would drive away more.

I have two Air New Zealand Premium Economy BNE-AKL-LAX trips booked during the World Cup. And until recently, I couldn't upgrade the BNE-AKL sectors from Economy to Business because all Business inventory was categorised as C class in anticipation of mountains of Business Class rugby fans coming. Recently this all got converted to C and D and even I and R class - and all of a sudden the upgrades cleared.


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1241 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13559 times:

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 7):
That's a bit of a surprise but I guess the home clientale for airlines like MH, TG, SQ & CI aren't exactly known as huge rugby fans. They should be able to fill the planes up with connectors from the UK & France though?

Rugby isnt big enough as a sport in Europe to fill any planes with supporters from Europe. I feel like a record on repeat here so I wont tell the same story again but...

In regards to the RWC I always wondered if it would have been possible to schedule some extra flights from the Polynesian islands?
I assume its to late now but that should have been the best market out there for the RWC. Like NZ these islands have rugby as their national game and alot of the islanders have familymembers or close relatives residing in NZ. Perfect time for a visit to the cousins, sleep in the guestroom, drink a few beers and watch a game or two and then back home. I doubt all Polynesian games will be sell outs, so tickets should be plentiful and not cost an arm and a leg (touts wont make any money on those games).

From a personal standpoint I really hope the Asian carriers wont change their schedule because that will cause havoc on my own travels.
Earlier this month I saw that NZ offered some good deals to Australia during the RWC. That surprised me. 300 odd dollars return incl taxes. I booked myself and the missus a shoppingtrip to Melbourne. I thought planes would be fuller during the RWC but i guess games arent often enough.



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User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 13499 times:

Quoting ZKNCL (Reply 5):
Which options could NZ take up for future expansion and where should they be deployed?

I returned from a South America trip on LAN the other day and it got me thinking... why doesn't NZ pursue codeshares with just about every airline that flies routes that it doesn't? I mean, it would be a low cost, low risk strategy of tapping into some new markets and former ones. And alliances are flexible enough to allow codeshares with competing alliance carriers right?

So, a few examples that spring to mind...

LAN (Santiago and beyond)
Korean (Seoul)
China Southern (Guangzhou)
Singapore (Singapore)
Air Tahiti Nui (PPT-LAX, if it's that important).

All these carriers offer pretty high quality inflight service, safe, reliable travel and offer pretty great onward connections. And it would be a tonne easier than sending your own metal everywhere (assuming it gets delivered at some point thank you very much Boeing).

Anyway, just a thought. I know codesharing isn't just happy slappy simple, but it would be interesting I think.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 13489 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 18):
Korean (Seoul)

NZ codeshare with OZ.. Via SYD though. It seems like it'd defeat the purpose of an alliance if there was an option like this one to go stright to ICN on KE.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 18):

China Southern (Guangzhou)

Too close to HKG to really make any impact. In your example, it'd probably be better to codeshare with CX out of HKG. And service levels of CZ are still questionable at this stage.


And.. Well.. Singapore Airlines - I wonder if/when NZ will rectify their differences with them.



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User currently offlinezkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 13453 times:

some good news for Hamilton;

Hamilton International Airport in New Zealand has received an approval to extend its runway by 800m, lengthening it to nearly 3,000m.

The runway, which will be extended over the next 15 years, is estimated to cost between $22m and $25m.

http://www.airport-technology.com/news/news127122.html


A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THREAD 100!! woo HOO                  



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlineHLZCPH From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 13425 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 10):
Some may be interested to know that it is now almost certain NZ will be leasing back A320 MSN 2445 from later this year. This aircraft used to be ZK-OJK, and is currently with TAM.

I guess as OJK has no IFE it will be used only on domestic flights? Good to hear of her return though.

Congrats on the 100 posts all, I didn't think it would happen until after I was back in NZ!

Back in Denmark now, but spent a couple of weeks travelling in Britian recently. There is little in the press about the RWC and only one person asked me who would win the competition (I said we would find out soon enough!). So I would have to agree that it is not very high on agendas on this side of the globe.

We are on NZ38, returning to AKL on Thursday morning, I'll have a look around to see how full it is  



July, AKL-SFO-LAS-SFO-AKL. last ride in the NZ 744?
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 13426 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 9):
Moving on to NZ39. The timings are definitely ideal for AKL-HKG-AKL rather than HKG-LHR. It allows you to fly up, arrive in the morning to spend the day in town, then fly back in the evening.

With the exception of those on urgent business, who would want to pay $2000 and fly for 23 hours just to spend 13 hours on the ground in HKG?

Quoting ZKNCL (Reply 5):
Which future aircraft could we see to replace the ATR?

One of ATR72-500, ATR72-600 or Q400?

Quoting aotearoa (Reply 15):
Where will this extra A320 capacity be utilised?

Could this be a replacement of one of the domestic 733s? Maybe one of the 733s is close to the need of a major check, and it would be more economical to park the aircraft until her return to lessor and lease an A320 instead?

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 19):
service levels of CZ are still questionable at this stage

They get you there but don't expect more than that.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 13419 times:

Quoting zkojh (Reply 20):
Hamilton International Airport in New Zealand has received an approval to extend its runway by 800m, lengthening it to nearly 3,000m.

The runway, which will be extended over the next 15 years, is estimated to cost between $22m and $25m.

http://www.airport-technology.com/ne....html

Guessing it will be suitable for most AKL diversions now. Although if AKL is closed by fog then HLZ is almost certainly going to be also!

Congrats everyone on 100 threads!



56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlinenzstevenc From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 13369 times:

Quote:
According to the Air NZ website 'Timetable' a 77E is being substituted on NZ2/NZ1 AKL-LAX-LHR on the 16th, 19th and 22nd August (one 77W out for 9 days) and the 29th and 31st August (one 77W out for 5 days).

That means about four and a half days to reconfigure each 77W. Two should be completed by the 25th August, all three by the 3rd of September.

From 25th August there is a 67% chance you will get the new 77W PE configuration and the possibility of getting a 77E.

PA515

Sweet! I'm in PE on NZ2 on 27th August so my chances are better than expected!

I'll have to see whether our people on the ground in AKL can tell me what which aircraft is operating NZ1 on 26th?


25 BlackLabel : It does happen - I've done day trips to Hong Kong, Singapore, China, and a few other Asian destinations ex-NZ and ex-AU before. The challenge for NZ
26 KiwiRob : There still 110,000 senior rugby players in France and 167,000 players in England, both significantly more than in NZ. Again rubbish, where is your p
27 NZ107 : Just my thought too! They'll need CAT III too. Unless it's being lengthened so they can try and call themselves the "LCC airport for Auckland" or som
28 ZKSUJ : Why would they replace ATR72-500s with more ATR72-500s? Don't know if the Q400's speed would be a huge advantage in a small country like NZ, but I gu
29 aerorobnz : I've done that twice, and had a couple more 1 nighters. When it comes down to it. It maximises the use of your time, saves you a nights accomodation,
30 cchan : It will depend on whether slots at HKG is available, it is a busy time there with lots of regional flights heading off. But then, I think NZ should g
31 alangirvan : What you mean is the Australians will reach 99, and then do a Mark Waugh and be bowled. From reading threads online, I think ATR is close enough to d
32 DavidByrne : Assuming the rumours that HKG-LHR has come close to being dropped are correct, I wonder whether this morning's announcement that QF will drop that sec
33 NZ107 : Too big? NZ must be cursing the 787 delays!
34 NZ2 : FYI there are more rugby players in England alone than all of NZL and as you point out those that are interested in Rugby are the affluent ones, henc
35 Post contains images sunrisevalley : Might trigger Koruman's often proposed BNE-HKG with DJ feeds from SYD and MEL., to connect to NZ38
36 cchan : NZ will certainly benefit from the QF pullout. Until I see an official announcement, I am reluctant to believe that rumour. If NZ wants to keep HKG-L
37 BlackLabel : One hopes that's true given QF29 and NZ39 timings being quite similar, but part of the QF pullout is that BA will take up the operation, including le
38 Post contains images nz747 : Firstly, congratulations to all the regulars who have got this thread this far. I think an extra mention needs to go to 777ER for all his work in crea
39 alangirvan : I just googled RUAG 228 and this wikipedia article shows that it is Hindustan in Kanpur, India, not in Bangladesh. so the latest 228 is a bit updated.
40 NZ107 : Well that's just great then isn't it! Have this long as runway so when AKL is fogged out, so is HLZ and even diversions won't make it there!
41 nz747 : Oops, my bad...not sure why I thought it was Bangladesh. Even so, aircraft not made in 'western' countries are usually not widely received by western
42 ZKSUJ : Some one mentioned the 1900's having an upgrade in the near future to increase their life span. Would any body in the know be able to share what this
43 sunrisevalley : With a Cat 111 B landing system it is highly unlikely that international flights are unable to land. Domestic flights are probably cancelled before t
44 DavidByrne : Did I recall reading somewhere that the EMB-120 is able to be produced in small quantities to order on the EMB-135/145 line? Or was I dreaming?
45 MillwallSean : And this affluent minority couldnt keep Londons rugby club in London nor secure money for a stadium from any private investors or from a local counci
46 Zkpilot : I'd say NZ might stick it out to see how it affects things. Not only would it reduce capacity on the route (making it more viable for the remaining f
47 cchan : Just checked the QF online booking, the HKG-LHR sector seems to terminate at the start of the 2012 northern summer schedule (Mar 2012). Instead of QF
48 Post contains images pilotdude09 : Hi Guys, Glad to see little old NZ Aviation reach 100 threads Is there any way to track the last few LAN flights? Flying SYD-AKL on Thursday then conn
49 nascarnut : The 1900's are getting both a cabin refresh done as well as an avionics upgrade. I don't have details of what the upgrade entails but it will enable
50 PA515 : The QF announcement says BA's LHR-HKG-LHR flights will go from 14 weekly to 17 weekly and that "passengers will still be able to connect swiftly and
51 nascarnut : RWC cruise ship charters set to operate as below. I believe carriers will be either NZ or QF Oct 6th BNE-AKL 0700 - 1310 763 MEL-AKL 0730 - 1300 A320
52 nascarnut : AKL currently has 2 DHL 757-200 freighters sitting on the ground outside the DHL ramp facility. G-BMRJ (has been doing the AKL-SYD-AKL overnight run)
53 haggis73 : LAN has been on time over the last week, there not flying today (Wednesday). From about 1630 NZST today, looking on the LAN website will give you an
54 aerorobnz : Sounds like BMRJ is returning from whence she has come. I thought the replacement had been sourced from the US though, so perhaps CSVS is also a temp
55 ZKNCL : England France Ireland Wales Scotland Italy Etc... Rugby is a massive sport in Europe along with Football. Yes, I noticed that recently. Does anyone
56 Mr AirNZ : They are not even remotely in the same ballpark. Both are unpressuried, slower and much better suited to semi prepared strips (the DHC-6 at least). T
57 koruman : I'm not going to get back into the argument in the same way, but I will talk a little bit about sports tourism. Do you know how many people from Nort
58 Post contains links mariner : In this 2010 study, Mastercard somewhat disagrees with your assessment of the popularity of rugby: http://www.mastercard.com/hk/persona...e/pdf/20100
59 darenw : Here are some actual facts on visitor numbers from the Ministry of Tourism The key drivers of international RWC 2011 visitor arrivals are expected to
60 koruman : Unbalanced is good! I think that there is a significant economic impact for England and Wales' home internationals, and to a lesser extent Ireland to
61 kiwiandrew : In other words, a drop in the bucket in relation to the 2.534 million visitors to New Zealand for the year up to January 2011.
62 mariner : Well, not in my book, but if you want to dispute Mastercard's analysis, I'm sure nothing I can say will stop you. I'm not sure that I see the point,
63 koruman : Sure. The UK and Ireland were both booming in 2005 and they are in deep economic do-do in 2011, but an extra 15% will be travelling to NZ this year.
64 anstar : Or QF retime the HKG flights to connect with BA;s evening bank of flights ex HKG.
65 motorhussy : Surely fleet commonality will have some bearing... and on WLG-ZQN or WLG-Invercargill their extra knots would be an advantage over the ATR's.
66 Post contains images haggis73 : She is heading home once G-CSVS is fixed. ETOPS aircraft, where as G-BMRJ is not.
67 NZ107 : I don't think I've seen so many Air NZ 737s in the hangars at AKL.. I guess the ones in the hangars by the domestic terminal there are for routine che
68 aerorobnz : You should go on them at night with no power/gpu running....spooky... like you've just walked aboard the mary celeste
69 NZ107 : Wish I was even able to go airside for things like that!
70 A330NZ : I recall seeing this too
71 aerokiwi : Nope. You'll be counted on the passport you're travelling on. Plus if it's ;less than 24 hours, you'll solely be counted as transit right? and entry
72 alangirvan : Does anyone care to guess what number the NZ thread will be when AirNZ takes delivery of its first 787-9? Four years from One to 100, so about four ye
73 aerorobnz : Not to my knowledge. I think the A343 may make a few visits as Ar1183. like tonight LV-BMT operated this route... I'll go for 163..haha
74 NZ2 : I went to SYD for the day yesterday, my wife had been there for her work for a week and funny enough was coming home yesterday also though she was on
75 zkncj : The 767-300ER are pretty good at making time on SYD-AKL, ive had flights that have been 1h55m
76 Zkpilot : Thats VERY fast... I've done that sector probably over 100 times maybe way more lose track lol... fastest I've ever seen was about 2h10m. Those NZ 76
77 NZ107 : ZK-OAB's got a white nose at the moment.. Looks rather unusual I must say. Hope they can find a black replacement by the World Cup, that's for sure..
78 NZ1 : It's due to a lightning strike the other day. Damaged the radome slightly. NZ1
79 Post contains links zkojh : ''Air New Zealand mulls NZ$150m retail issue'' Air New Zealand is considering issuing a NZ$150 million fixed-rate retail bond offer due 15 November 20
80 Post contains images ZKNCL : Ohh I got an idea to spice this thread up, how about NZ spotting where we post photos on this thread? 175-200 is my guess So did I but couldn't they b
81 Post contains images kaiarahi : Big plane, little plane maybe ... B738 cruise: Mach 0.785 A332/3 cruise: Mach 0.82. Asserting that Boeings are faster than Airbuses is a silly genera
82 cchan : Takes a long time for the thread to load though, especially for those who have slower internet connections.
83 Post contains links 777ER : Airfares to Wellington set to rise - http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...Airfares-to-Wellington-set-to-rise At least the International departure ta
84 ZKSUJ : I always found it annoying to pay the tax seperately thank goodness WAIL is following AIAL in this respect
85 xiaotung : Would only annoy pax transiting in New Zealand on separate tickets within 24 hours to get the airlines to refund the departure tax.
86 nascarnut : It looks a bit lit the new All Black jersey with the white collar except NZ gave it a white nose. OAB will be removed from service 22/23/24 for repai
87 Post contains images aerorobnz : No doubt they'll be the usual boring ZK-/VH-/N- bizjets we get - not anything really interesting....Though i've been wrong once before... Having said
88 NZ2 : Check it it out for yourself, hate to generalise but generally Boeing's are designed with higher cruising speed than Airbus, I think the 380 is the e
89 texan : There are a couple interesting registrations coming in. Keep your eyes open and you may see some interesting ones. Texan
90 cchan : Even if that is true, the actual flight time will also depend on the flightpath, altitude, the cruising speed the pilots elect to use etc. Years ago
91 joelyboy911 : Off the top of my head the 380 can cruise at Mach 0.85 while the 744 can cruise at Mach 0.855. Similar, but the Boeing just edges out the Airbus. I r
92 Post contains links and images kiwiandrew : Jeremy Clarkson, seriously, you are giving Jeremy Clarkson as a source The thing is that a specific model from one manufacturer may be faster than a
93 joelyboy911 : Not really as a source, no... I remember checking the facts at the time. He's a clever columnist in my opinion. I checked wikipedia for some informat
94 Unclekoru : Mach 0.91 rings a bell for the 744 (Normal operating range).
95 Post contains images aerorobnz : Sounds good, but it always happens when I'm fleet chasing overseas. Hopefelly they're in for the business end of the competition when I'm back. A340s
96 Zkpilot : It is true, just about every type side by side the Boeing aircraft will be faster. They tend to have a higher wing loading in general which can help
97 Post contains images cchan : I thought they were called hairdryers on the 343. I wonder what would NZ's route network and fleet would be like now if they have chosen the 340 inst
98 NZ6 : And this takes traffic off AKLHKG-ICN and AKLNRT-ICN as well. Yes it is. Will NZ ever get them? Seriosuly? or will NZ opt for a fleet of 777's in var
99 aerokiwi : Both of which are fairly ridiculous routings for pax. NZ's been pretty weak at acknowledging the holes in its service offering and doing something ab
100 NZ6 : I guess you need to consider what type of demand there is NZ - Korea, my guess is not much, NZ once flew there and Asiana has been and gone in more r
101 xiaotung : Asiana has been calling itself the gateway to China in North America with one of the most competitive fares. I think they have a market to the second
102 macilree : Every year I use the Statistics New Zealand data taken from entry/departure cards to produce a large spreadsheet ranking New Zealand's end-to-end air
103 sunrisevalley : Is the total TOD separated into carrier share? Is TT O &D traffic included in the data you record?
104 Post contains links macilree : Yes, the data I have includes by carrier (we have some great A3-sized charts). Regrettably, for reasons of commercial sensitivity, I cannot share tha
105 777ER : Was reading Pacific Wings August edition today and it had a big article on the RNZAF and its aircraft - especially the C130s and the A400M. Pacific Wi
106 joelyboy911 : Is this article available anywhere online? Is there provision in the defense budget for C-130 replacement in the near-term? Given that the RNZAF is i
107 aerokiwi : I don't think so. They got refurbed fairly recently. Well that kind of illustrates my point of NZ's myopia. Codeshare and you can actually offer a se
108 gytr31 : I noted ZK-NGF at CHC minus engines and a rudder the other day, Is this a/c going under a major check or is it's lease up? Thanks!
109 Mr AirNZ : End of lease work. Was retired from service in July.
110 NZCH : May just point out, ZK-NGF is no longer being returned to the lease company, Air NZ now own this aircraft. Regards NZCH
111 pilotdude09 : I've had a few late flights on NZ this week and other people I know have also had the same experience. CHC-DUD the other night was the worst. I come o
112 PA515 : Is there a problem with Air NZ's 77W Premium Economy reconfiguration? ZK-OKM has been out of action since 16th August meaning seven of the nine days f
113 PA515 : Is that instead of OJK returning? PA515
114 NZCH : I believe not. ZK-NGF is not returning to service with Air NZ nor to the lease company, Air NZ now own this aircraft. I know all the details to why A
115 aerorobnz : No issue that I'm aware of. It's more to do with being an ever changing chessboard when it comes to aircraft utilisation, upsizes, downsizes and othe
116 avrich : The work was always scheduled to take eight days AFAIK. I guess that gives them an extra day if needed before she's due back in the rotation on Thurs
117 777ER : Oh let the guessing begin as to what NZs plans could be! Lease it to another airline?
118 cchan : Scrapped it for parts? Probably cost NZ more for a major service check before it can be returned to lessor, so NZ bought it instead.
119 NZCH : Haha. You can all guess. But the aircraft will be returning into the air with any airline, To be scrapped, and used for parts for the remaining 737-3
120 aerorobnz : Selling it to QF so that they can update their fleet??? hahaha I think it'll be like -FRE which has ended up with WebJet in Brazil.
121 NZCH : I from very good authority hae been told it will not be flying again. NZCH
122 cchan : Would it be correct to assume that most of these ex-NZ 733s are very high cycle frames, and most of them would be better suited for parts or for some
123 NZ1 : Being first of type, the certification process is long and protracted. The next two will not take as long. OJK is still returning to the fleet early
124 NZCH : Thankyou NZ1 for clarifying NGF. i was unsure of how to describe what is going on with NGF on this forum. As i am fully aware of the sensitive info a
125 cchan : I hope someone turn it to a cafe/restaurant/pub or make it into a hotel for transit passengers.
126 Post contains links aerokiwi : Great news for Auckland Airport lovers! http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10747041 Christ it's about time the new d
127 NZ6 : All those cheaper airports have mass tranist going directly into them, for example, JFK, SIN, HKG. SYD does but it's not cheap either.
128 777ER : Going by how AIAL do things, I'll believe it when I see the terminal being built!
129 alangirvan : You will have seen that there has been an announcement of a Japan base for Jetstar, with shareholidngs by Qantas, JAL and Mitsubishi. The first operat
130 cchan : Rights might be an issue there. Also, even they are labeled as a low cost airline, I can't see how things can be cheap in Japan.
131 gemuser : Why? JQ Japan will be a Japanese airline, surely Japan has rights to NZ or can get them pretty quick seeing NZ operates to Japan? Gemuser
132 cchan : In one of the previous threads, we discussed why JL but not NH codeshare with NZ on the Japan routes. The conclusion, if I remember correctly, was th
133 nzstevenc : I'm hoping some knowledgeable NZ/AIAL people can update us on the status of the 77W PE upgrades. Specifically, I'd like to know whether the 77W leavi
134 gemuser : Airline designation under a bi-lateral is usually not a problem. As JAL is not operating the route & JQ Japan wants to and is owned, effectively
135 KiwiRob : I think the refurb only extend their life by 10 years, it's a temp solution. With a budget of 150 million it's going to be cheap and nasty as well.
136 SCL767 : LAN has added three extra flights into AKL for the next couple of weeks. LA803 will operate SCL-AKL-SYD on August 28, September 4 and September 8 alon
137 kiwiandrew : Wow, I never thought I would see CX 744's back here, let alone daily.
138 aflyingkiwi : Great news!, hopefully it'll be up to the standard of the recent international terminal refurbs though 150mil does seem like a pretty low budget. Per
139 kiwiandrew : The increase in capacity from CX starts more than a month after the rugby world cup ends.
140 NZ107 : They've been daily between Dec and early Feb for a while - at least 3 years. But it seems as though that has been brought forward by a few days.
141 kiwiandrew : Oooops, I didn't realise that, have been out of the loop for a while. I wonder if they ever actually sell any F class out of AKL while the 744s are o
142 Post contains links PA515 : ZK-OKO was NZ2 from AKL on Friday 26th August according to: http://www.flightradar24.com/#!/2011-08-26/10:00/ANZ2 ZK-OKM appears to be the only 77W r
143 aerorobnz : ZK-OKM operates 27/08. config 44/44/244
144 nascarnut : Cathay is running 747-400 on 24th and 25th October to cope with RWC demand
145 Post contains links gasman : So Paul Holmes is to publish a book about Erebus: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10747717 I have two points to make
146 darenw : There is an interesting article in the lastest Australian Aviation magazine regarding the A320neo. "Air New Zealand too has orders for the current gen
147 nascarnut : Air NZ was the first airline to order the A320 with the Sharklet winglets. The first 4 aircraft in the new order are the current generation, the rema
148 NZ107 : If they stick with the A32x series, I'd presume that'd be the way to go. NZ ordered the sharklet A320 before the NEO was available but I'd say when t
149 Post contains links darenw : http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press...11-air-new-zealand-profit-declines “International markets remain volatile and this has an impact on the deman
150 Post contains images gasman : - further downgrading of the product, while marketing the changes as "innovative", "exciting" etc. etc. - another ill-conceived merger attempt - cutt
151 cchan : If there is some demand, AKL-POM is probably doable as a stop on one of NZ's AKL-Asia routes. For instance, the flightpath of AKL-HKG is right over P
152 777ER : NZ are doing something soon with 'premium', so we'll find out what thats about I doubt NZ could downgrade its Y long haul services any further with o
153 zkncj : I have seen one hint about the long haul reveiw and it includes them rolling out Seats to Suit network wide.
154 gasman : Guys - I was actually kidding with the above. The fact that you people - who I respect - saw the changes I listed as credible possibilities even wort
155 NZ6 : Long Haul is going under review and this type of scenario has long been on the cards. It may turn out it's the way to go. It may not. With long haul
156 Post contains images Mr AirNZ : I got your tongue and cheek comment so at least one kiwi did
157 Post contains images SUNRISEVALLEY : [quote=NZ6,reply=155]Long Haul is going under review and this type of scenario has long been on the cards. It may turn out it's the way to go. It may
158 cchan : In that case they can even reduce the number of toilets on board, because half of the window seat passengers will hold it till the plane lands instea
159 alangirvan : It will be a bit hard to find slots in the A320NEO production if AirNZ wants to order directly from the manufacturer - so it looks like they will hav
160 SUNRISEVALLEY : This assumes that they buy the P&W GTF engine . It is reasonable to assume with P&W's interest in CEC that it would be one of the overhaul lo
161 alangirvan : It will be interesting to see how the AirNZ review compares with the Qantas decisions announced during the last few weeks, especially as some people
162 777ER : Is NZ really prepared to destroy their customers experience on long haul?
163 gasman : I would suggest that as far as Y is concerned, they already have.
164 NZ107 : Don't forget this is probably something like 10 years down the line and I'd expect the A320NEO orderbook to be either thinning out or more factories
165 mariner : I would imagine that Airbus has some slots up its sleeve, or could find some. Republic/Frontier, for example, has a big bunch of early slots and I'd
166 NZ107 : The question would be if NZ is willing to increase capex for this so soon unless it's a direct swap for a sharkletted A320. I guess we can't do anyth
167 mariner : Of course. The only question I was addressing was possible availability of slots. mariner
168 zkncj : Well they are already given the choice to Y passengers on the 77W the option to upgrade there wine list for $$. Also with the induction ovens on the
169 aerokiwi : Out of curiosity, has NZ stopped online checkin for domestic flights? I was certain I checked in via the website for my last few trips, but I may be g
170 777ER : Well I don't think NZ have really destroyed it that way since EK have done it for years and pax still rave about their service. If NZ introduced seat
171 xiaotung : Their first answer to the loss making long haul routes was apparently the decrease of Airpoints earn rates to nearly worthless a few months ago. They
172 aerorobnz : Yes, I'd also like that. the incentive is gone to travel on NZ for FFlyers. Would like to see NZ follow NHs approach in offering more classes, less p
173 cchan : Yes it certainly feels that way. But one may also find comfort if one thinks that the Works passenger in the next seat is being ripped off paying $30
174 kiwiandrew : There is no mystery at all. 1/ Carrying 100 magazines AKL-WLG or 19 magazines AKL-WRE is nowhere near as wasteful in fuel consumption as carrying 300
175 gasman : Bingo. In terms of 10 abreast on a 777, yes. It was my experience on a EK 777 AKL-LHR that made me vow I'd never fly on a 10 abreast 777 long haul ag
176 kiwiandrew : Last time I flew EK ( admittedly about 18 months ago) their IFE was considerably inferior to NZ's. It had a long and tedious introduction in 2 langua
177 gasman : Have to strongly disagree there. Their "ice" system is easy to navigate, great selection, has outboard cameras, huge screens and (at least in the pre
178 alangirvan : The first NEOs will enter worldwide service towards the end of 2015 - the first of AirNZ's original A320s will be about ten years old by then, so per
179 cchan : Looking at the contents and ads in NZ's in-flight magazine, lots of them are (or were) targeted at international visitors. It is just strange that th
180 nzrich : Yes but think about the combined weight over all the international fleet with every sector for a year and your talking a lot of extra fuel over a yea
181 alangirvan : The most recent Australian Aviation has a report from Paris Airshow, where there is some discussion about new 777s. It looks as though Emirates is in
182 xiaotung : But wouldn't advertising revenue more than cover the extra fuel burned? It's like just hard to imagine if United got rid of their Hemisphere.[Edited
183 nzrich : Yes but look at the Kia ora Magazine it still has lots of advertising . So they are still getting the revenue and saving on the fuel .
184 xiaotung : I am sure the rates would be a lot higher if the magazines are distributed on international flights as well. And it would attract more companies to a
185 cchan : There are still some ads targeted at international tourists in the last issue I read, but I doubt whether these ads reach these people. On long haul
186 aerorobnz : check the magazine racks inflight... they are always loaded.. just not on every seat - but certainly plenty onboard..
187 NZ107 : That's the thing.. I always forget about it seeing that it's not placed in front of me..
188 aerorobnz : I think it's not worth the bother even when it is in the seat pocket. The magazine articles can be read cover to cover WLG-NSN, let alone AKL-LAX. Fo
189 KiwiRob : At least it's a new issue every month, I have to put up with the SAS magazine which lasts 2 months and no IFE, not even music.
190 nzrich : They do get read by international tourists . Just look at the morning to early afternoon flights out of AKL they are full of pax from multiple airlin
191 Post contains links xiaotung : Having said that, NZ recently published a Chinese version of Kia Ora magazine available on Chinese routes. Not sure if it's monthly or just one off. h
192 pilotdude09 : Sat behind Rob Fyfe yesterday DUD-CHC on the Q300. Can't imagine he would be in Dunedin for no reason........? Interesting to see if there was a speci
193 cchan : Maybe the F/A doesn't recognise him?!
194 ZKSUJ : I dont know about that. I sat behind Ralph Norris a few years ago when he was still CEO. The FA called him by name but apart from that no special tre
195 darenw : Wonder if Rob Fyfe will be going after the Telecom top job?? He did say he wanted to be out of Air NZ within 18 months
196 gasman : Differs to my experience of having seen him with his family in the Koru Club at LAX. By the way the staff were behaving, you would think they were ex
197 pilotdude09 : Yeah the F/A was only a young girl and she had the biggest grin when she got on and she was very happy to see him.
198 Zkpilot : Yeah I've seen RF at AKL before and he just rocked up to the gate... actually was slightly surprised that he didn't even say anything to the NZ staff
199 cchan : With AKL-NRT getting a 763 most days now, taking up 1 763 capacity, which route has an upgauge?
200 NZ6 : Nope, it's about making it better, seats to suit has been a success with NZ taking all the market growth on the Tasman, if it can do something simila
201 Post contains images aerokiwi : Oh really? Cool, then I guess that "customers first" approach is reflected in my experience tonight on WLG-AKL, a pretty hard flight to muck up. Seat
202 cchan : Successful for the airline, a rip off for the customers. The present product is a disgrace when compared to the quality NZ used to offer. It is not a
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