IndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2403 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2212 times:
After looking up details about the OSL's expansion plans, it seems amazing that there are 3 airports serving the Oslo region. It's not that big in population base, and after further looking into things, it appears both Torp and Rygge really do not seem to be doing that well financially.
Norwegian seems ready to pull out of RYG, retreating back to OSL, and Ryanair just seemed to move most of it's ops from Torp to RYG. It seems that the airlines just seem to be moving flights around, but it hasn't seemed to work out that well for some.
Do people feel there be a role for all 3 airports moving forward, with each being viable businesses?
KiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 5286 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2159 times:
Torp is 118km south of Oslo and Rygge is 60km away, either way I wouldn't really call them Oslo airports, especially Torp. Norwegians also fly a lot domestically on account of the terrible road and rail infrastructure, both airports have domestic traffic.
Someone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 2778 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2135 times:
TRF has its own local market, which make the airport viable on its own as a regional airport, and the airport is still making money so check ou facts again
RYG onthe other hand is more or less becomming an ultra-LCC airport, or Ryanair-Airport
IndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2403 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2119 times:
Very true about the airport distances, but given the nature of Torps and Rygge's largely LCC centric client base, they are sold as Oslo airports to pax.
Not been to Norway, so unable to comment on the road network first hand, but I have heard similar comments before. I just find it very hard to believe that having 3 airports serving the one region, given the relatively small population base, makes that much sense financially. Good for competition, but likely just very inefficient in many other ways.
IndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2403 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2084 times:
Someone83, I was just going by what I read, regarding loses that had been accumulated by TRF and RYG over time, but they may well have been incorrect.
As you stated, it appears that RYG may well become just Ryanair and a few charter operators flying from there, if Norwegian do indeed move all it's ops back to OSL. There was apparently issues with them wanting the same deal that Ryanair received.
PavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 655 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1819 times:
Torp is the primary airport of three regions, Vestfold, Telemark and maybe Buskerud and has a catchment area of about 400,000 which doesn't sound like a lot but is on par with Bergen, Stavanger and Trondheim. Give the greater distance to Oslo than Rygge it made sense for Ryanair to move there when that airport opened.
Rygge doesn't have a very large catchment area but draws a lot of traffic from the Oslo area. The 60 km is all freeway so it's a lot easier to reach than OSL for many people at many times of the day, especially the morning rush hour. Rygge has grown rapidly and I imagine being in the red is par for the course. They still have quite a bit of growth potential.
In general Norwegians have a lot of money, a lot of vacation and wanderlust. We're also very used to traveling by air. The economy is strong and most companies have no qualms about employees traveling.
The real concern is that the growth of OSL comes too late. It's already bursting at the seems.
TIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 520 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1644 times:
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 3): Not been to Norway, so unable to comment on the road network first hand, but I have heard similar comments before. I just find it very hard to believe that having 3 airports serving the one region, given the relatively small population base, makes that much sense financially. Good for competition, but likely just very inefficient in many other ways.
Does Stockholm need 4 airports? Does London need 6 airports? Afterall it's not like all the airports in the same region are bursting at the seams.
I have flown out of all three airports that you mention and while TRF is pain to get to from Oslo, it has its own separate catchement area. It had air service long before FR started marketing it as Oslo. So I wouldn't necessarily call TRF an Oslo airport, even though that's what I have personally used it as. RYG is a little different as it is much closer and more accessible to Oslo. So RYG can be considered an Oslo airport. Can all the current RYG traffic be accomodated at OSL? Probably. Will that always be the case? No. I know that a lot more people are using FR as an alternative now that it is flying out of RYG than when it was only flying out of TRF. FR would not fly out of OSL in the near/mid future, so having another accessible airport, closer to Oslo was needed if they wanted to increase their passenger numbers. So it seems like RYG has served a purpose in increasing traffic demand in Oslo and it's not like OSL with its record passenger numbers is suffering.
longhaul67 From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 235 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1210 times:
Quoting IndianicWorld (Thread starter): Do people feel there be a role for all 3 airports moving forward, with each being viable businesses?
The main reason for the 3 airports can be found in OSL's hopeless location. The fact that the airport was placed 50 km north of Oslo was a big mistake. The main populated areas are to the south of the city along the Oslo fjord, and not to the north. This was a well known fact even before the decision was made to build OSL at Gardermoen.
And by doing this they immediately created a need for airport alternatives to the south of Oslo. TRF was already well established long before OSL was built, and has since seen a rapid growth in passenger numbers. RYG would never have been built had OSL been located south of Oslo.
I still believe that the best alternative for OSL would have been Hobøl, some 40 km to the south east of Oslo.
XaraB From Norway, joined Aug 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1110 times:
Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 5): Rygge doesn't have a very large catchment area
The entire Østfold County, which is approx. 275,000 people, as well as the southern parts of Akershus county, about 100,000 more is geographically and by travel time much closer to RYG than OSL. That makes the cathment area close enough to TRF to be comparable. The only things separating these two are the stringent artificial capacity ceiling at RYG and the fact that TRF has been a civilian airports 40 years longer than RYG.
Long term population growth around greater Oslo is expected to be focused in Akershus and Østfold. RYG will be an interesting airport to follow the next 10 years...
flyboy_se From Switzerland, joined Feb 2000, 745 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1076 times:
I wouldent say that Stockholm has 4 airports.
ARN is the main Stockholm airport, and BMA is the city airport.
NYO is actually Nyköping, and is only considered Stockholm by Ryanair.
VST is actually Västerås, and is not Stockholm at all.
Now, they are close to eachother, but Stocholm has only 2 airports, and both are doing good and are needed.
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