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Ellington Field (KEFD)poised To Accept Traffic?  
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/n...-at-ellington-airport.html?s=print
I use to fly out of EFD all the time on CO's cross town ERJs. I wonder what traffic the Houston Airport System would be able to attract? It would be a boon for the cruise traffic from the region. I could see it morphing into an Orlando Sanford, PHX Gateway, or PIE type of situation...albeit on a smaller scale. Carriers like Allegiant and Spirit may take a look. Any thoughts?


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User currently offlinepgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

I don't know. The difference vs PHX, TPA, and MCO is that in those cities, we're talking about secondary airports. In Houston, this would be a tertiary airport behind IAH and HOU. It's less than a 10 mile drive from Hobby and Hobby is closer to the city itself. I guess the big question is . . . what's the difference in operating costs? I mean, I can't imagine HOU is very expensive, but if EFD could give an airline a big cost advantage, someone might try it. Otherwise, I think the airport is better off focusing on some of those non-commercial developments.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4091 times:

How about G4 for EFD?


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4029 times:

Quoting pgtravel (Reply 1):
I don't know. The difference vs PHX, TPA, and MCO is that in those cities, we're talking about secondary airports. In Houston, this would be a tertiary airport behind IAH and HOU. It's less than a 10 mile drive from Hobby and Hobby is closer to the city itself. I guess the big question is . . . what's the difference in operating costs? I mean, I can't imagine HOU is very expensive, but if EFD could give an airline a big cost advantage, someone might try it. Otherwise, I think the airport is better off focusing on some of those non-commercial developments.

I agree. The only thing is Clear Lake, Galveston, and all those points south of Beltway 8 could be served - its a good amount of growth out there. Then there is the cruise traffic as well. I personally would love to see COex back...but in the current economic climate i doubt it.



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User currently onlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3460 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

Hmmm...renamed it Ellington International. Is HOU becoming that cramped? Does EFD actually have any gates?

From the article: "with plans to bring in domestic and noncommercial international flights." I am still confused in what they want to do.



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User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3956 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 4):
Hmmm...renamed it Ellington International. Is HOU becoming that cramped? Does EFD actually have any gates?

From the article: "with plans to bring in domestic and noncommercial international flights." I am still confused in what they want to do.

EFD has no gates to speak of. Back when CoEx was running flights to IAH, I believe that there was what I was told to be, well, a shed. That said, I defer to those that actually flew the route.

Perhaps Cargo or charters to serve the cruise ship sailings from Galveston. Though that is probably a stretch as Galveston is some 35 miles from Ellington and the traffic can be murder at times.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 5):
EFD has no gates to speak of. Back when CoEx was running flights to IAH, I believe that there was what I was told to be, well, a shed. That said, I defer to those that actually flew the route.

Well, per the article they are talking about building a $4 million dollar terminal which at that price tag would have to be standard issue if you will. I doubt it will have jetways. When COex ran the route it was essentially a shed. Free parking though. You pull up, hop out and in the one room you have a ticket counter to the right, security screening to the left and right around the corner are the seats. When its time to go you walk out the door and up the steps to the back in the day ATR, E120 or more recently ERJ. It felt a lot like Kona in the most basic of senses...minus the lushness etc.

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 5):
Perhaps Cargo or charters to serve the cruise ship sailings from Galveston. Though that is probably a stretch as Galveston is some 35 miles from Ellington and the traffic can be murder at times.

Its better than the 65miles to IAH though.



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3881 times:
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Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 4):
I am still confused in what they want to do.

The article isn't the best written piece of journalism I have read today, that is for sure. I think the author itself is uncertain.

My understanding is the goal is to make EFD the "relief" airport for all things GA (of any size) after HOU, and to attract aviation businesses that need access to a runway (maintenance, flight school, air ambulance, etc...). The airport has several empty land parcels South of the Texas ANG that the city is trying to leverage.



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User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3956 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3855 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 6):
Its better than the 65miles to IAH though.

Agreed.

Thomas



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User currently offlinepgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3832 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 3):
I agree. The only thing is Clear Lake, Galveston, and all those points south of Beltway 8 could be served - its a good amount of growth out there. Then there is the cruise traffic as well.

True, but with HOU only 10 miles further, you won't lose that traffic and you'll also get more traffic from Houston proper. So if there's a choice between serving the two, you don't get much benefit by going south to EFD unless there's a big cost difference.

Cruise traffic is tough. First of all, it's highly day of week dependent, so you have to find an airline that's willing to do Saturday-only service for something like that because there's just about nothing on other days. (I don't actually know the cruise schedule from there, but you get the idea.) It's also not terribly high yield stuff - booked way in advance for leisure purposes. So it's good to fill some seats in the back if you have good biz demand but it's not much for building a profitable route on its own.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Quite a few of the items in the article have been in the works for a couple of years. The name change has been talked about for at least 18 months.

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 5):
EFD has no gates to speak of. Back when CoEx was running flights to IAH, I believe that there was what I was told to be, well, a shed. That said, I defer to those that actually flew the route.



There are no gates at EFD. The trailer that was the gate, or terminal building if you like was taken away about 3 years ago, IIRC.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 7):
My understanding is the goal is to make EFD the "relief" airport for all things GA (of any size) after HOU, and to attract aviation businesses that need access to a runway (maintenance, flight school, air ambulance, etc...).



That is exactly how the airport system has referred to EFD for some 20 years.

Don't know about others, but for me the ERAU information is really the only new information in the article.

But I do miss the ExpressJet flights from IAH-EFD-IAH. A great segment grabber in the day!!  



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User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 5):
Perhaps Cargo or charters to serve the cruise ship sailings from Galveston. Though that is probably a stretch as Galveston is some 35 miles from Ellington and the traffic can be murder at times.

I would actually think that EFD commercial flights would serve the Houston population, not tourists. An airline like G4 could do very well at EFD by starting up low-cost flights for locals to vacation destinations, such as Vegas, Orlando, Tampa/St. Pete, Cancun, etc.


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

Didn't the late Metro Airlines run a shuttle from EFD to IAH on Otters waaayyyy back in the day? IIRC they built the orig terminal and did some P2P flying to towns in SE Texas using EFD as a 'hub'.

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 12):

Didn't the late Metro Airlines run a shuttle from EFD to IAH on Otters waaayyyy back in the day? IIRC they built the orig terminal and did some P2P flying to towns in SE Texas using EFD as a 'hub'.

Well - there use to be a dedicated Clear Lake STOLport that has long since vanished.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

Quoting N202PA (Reply 11):
An airline like G4 could do very well at EFD by starting up low-cost flights for locals to vacation destinations, such as Vegas, Orlando, Tampa/St. Pete, Cancun, etc.



I think most Houston residents would identify with Southwest and Continental/United for those destinations, and other than CUN Southwest serves those locations from HOU and Continental/United serves them all from IAH and many many more. The largest population growth in Houston has been to the north and west for quite a while, neither of which make EFD more attractive even though a short 8 miles past HOU.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 13):
Well - there use to be a dedicated Clear Lake STOLport that has long since vanished.



Now those are some memories, Metro landing at IAH on the STOL runways (now taxiway NA and then moved over to current taxiway WA).



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

Even though WN and CO are what everyone in Houston identifies with; I think G4 could be very successful here - especially to MCO/SFB and LAS. Since the demise of Funjet charters Houstonians have been relegated to the not always cheap fares of CO/WN to those two destinations in particular. I use to fly the Sun Country charters to LAS via funjet vacations because they cost was much more attractive...we are talking about full DC10s 380 pax. I think G4 could fill an MD80 easily.


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User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 14):
I think most Houston residents would identify with Southwest and Continental/United for those destinations, and other than CUN Southwest serves those locations from HOU and Continental/United serves them all from IAH and many many more.

No doubt Southwest and Continental suck up most of the traffic in the Houston area. But that doesn't mean that no airline can compete with those carriers just because they have brand recognition in the market, particularly if prices were significantly lower when airfare is rolled into a discount package with hotel, transfers, etc.

Also, what about destinations like Puerto Vallarta or Punta Cana or Los Cabos (to name a few)? Those all are vacation hotspots with little nonstop competition from Continental/UA or other airlines.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

Quoting N202PA (Reply 16):
Also, what about destinations like Puerto Vallarta or Punta Cana or Los Cabos (to name a few)? Those all are vacation hotspots with little nonstop competition from Continental/UA or other airlines.



PVR and SJD get a flight or two a day, with seasonal increases. I'd love to see it happen, particularly since nobody knows what the merged CO/UA will look like!

Quoting N202PA (Reply 16):
But that doesn't mean that no airline can compete with those carriers just because they have brand recognition in the market, particularly if prices were significantly lower when airfare is rolled into a discount package with hotel, transfers, etc.



And be sure that CO would compete with their vacation packages, but again, I'd love to see it. There may be a blood bath which Houston sure could use to lower the prices.



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User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 17):
And be sure that CO would compete with their vacation packages, but again, I'd love to see it. There may be a blood bath which Houston sure could use to lower the prices.

Agreed. As far as I'm concerned, competition is a very good thing with all of the reduced capacity and limited flying options these days. If EFD can help some airline offer cheaper fares because of lower operational costs, I'm all for it.


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2340 times:
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Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 12):
Didn't the late Metro Airlines run a shuttle from EFD to IAH on Otters waaayyyy back in the day? IIRC they built the orig terminal and did some P2P flying to towns in SE Texas using EFD as a 'hub'.

Yes & no.

It was a shuttle park in Clear Lake off Old Hwy 3. When I was a kid I'd go there and sit on the hood of my grandad's truck and watch the props take off and land. Wish someone had a picture of that old place; memories.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

All I could find at the moment!

http://www.airfields-freeman.com/TX/...fields_TX_Houston_SE.htm#clearlake



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User currently onlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3460 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

I wonder if any airline would attempt to put a few spokes into EFD from their hubs? For ex. F9 from DEN & MKE.


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 21):

I wonder if any airline would attempt to put a few spokes into EFD from their hubs? For ex. F9 from DEN & MKE.

Well, F9 seems to be trying to plant some seeds at HOU - with DEN and now MCI.



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